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this is a job of learned scholars/ ulema karam, to identify and expose such people who are not easy to get hold of, and layman like me/us who have limited knowledge of deen and usool-e-deen, can easy fall for their deviant beliefs...
Errrrrr ... Does this mean you have an underdeveloped brain?
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Errrrrr ... Does this mean you have an underdeveloped brain?
everybody has their own job to do. If you cannot repair an Aircraft, it doesn't mean you have an underdeveloped brain, it just means you are not an aeronautical engineer, similarly if an aalim cannot write a software, which i can, it doesn't mean he has an underdeveloped brain, it just means he's not a software engineer.
but when you fail to comprehend simple things like this one and what i posted earlier, i doubt that you may really have an underdeveloped brain.
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everybody has their own job to do. If you cannot repair an Aircraft, it doesn't mean you have an underdeveloped brain, it just means you are not an aeronautical engineer, similarly if an aalim cannot write a software, which i can, it doesn't mean he has an underdeveloped brain, it just means he's not a software engineer. but when you fail to comprehend simple things like this one and what i posted earlier, i doubt that you may really have an underdeveloped brain.
Islam is not a job. If you think can handover your responsibilities to the Mullahs and ask them to come when you have need of them, you are wrong. This exclusive power offered by us to these Mullahs ultimately works to crack our society like an egg shell. When you consider your brain to be so underdeveloped that you cannot understand Islam that is so simple to understand tu tum nakel pari hoi gaye ki tarah, us ka malik jahan us ko le jata ha wo b pichay pichay chalti ha. Regardless if the owner is taking her to the slaughter house!
What do you think is the reason behind this turmoil facing Muslims all around the world or Pakistan for that matter? Todays Muslim are so dumb or so caught up in their lives that they don't care to check whether what a Mullah is saying is right or wrong. This pathetic attitude is causing all this chaos. No body follows what Muhammad (SAW) taught. Today you need to identify yourself as a shia, a deobandi, a sunni, a al-hadees who has caused these divisions? These Mullahs are to blame! And Muslims who give them the power to do so!
Re: Greatest Scholar Javed Ghamdi : Salute
Islam is not a job. If you think can handover your responsibilities to the Mullahs and ask them to come when you have need of them, you are wrong. This exclusive power offered by us to these Mullahs ultimately works to crack our society like an egg shell. When you consider your brain to be so underdeveloped that you cannot understand Islam that is so simple to understand tu tum nakel pari hoi gaye ki tarah, us ka malik jahan us ko le jata ha wo b pichay pichay chalti ha. Regardless if the owner is taking her to the slaughter house!
What do you think is the reason behind this turmoil facing Muslims all around the world or Pakistan for that matter? Todays Muslim are so dumb or so caught up in their lives that they don't care to check whether what a Mullah is saying is right or wrong. This pathetic attitude is causing all this chaos. No body follows what Muhammad (SAW) taught. Today you need to identify yourself as a shia, a deobandi, a sunni, a al-hadees who has caused these divisions? These Mullahs are to blame! And Muslims who give them the power to do so!
Peace Bulld0zer
The problem is not about having an underdeveloped brain; that argument doesn't even make sense because then someone can say that Einstein and other non-Muslims of the genius persuasion all have underdeveloped brains because they can't see the truth in Islam.
This way we can argue that following a messenger is having an underdeveloped brain because we just need read the Qur'an. The point is that it is a blessing to have both. We can't possibly follow the Sunnah without our scholars, because they are the inheritors of the teachings from the chains of ulema who go back to the Sahabah and in turn the prophet Muhammad (SAW).
It is not possible for us to know whether what we are told about fiqh issues are correctly interpreted or not without having to do in depth research, however, it is possible for us to judge character and we need to use that to find those scholars who we can trust. Giving trust to a scholar is not equal to having underdeveloped brains, it is indeed the very Sunnah that led many conversions to Islam as a result of Sayyidina Muhammad (SAW) being the Trustworthy. For 40 years he (SAW) dwelt amongst the Quraish and it was his 'trustworthiness' that led to his fellowship. We can't say any of the early Muslims had underdeveloped brains either can we?
Besides when Aceones was saying "layman like me" this again is out of humility. The chances are he has a good understanding about who is a good scholar and who is not, but he would like to get a second opinion to be sure and that opinion is best coming from a scholar.
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@ psyah >> You are TOTALLY taking my post in the wrong direction. There is a huge difference between what you are describing and what I said. I am talking about a prevailing attitude among today's Muslims of blindly following Mullahs (I'm not saying scholars! They r worlds apart).
We can't possibly follow the Sunnah without our scholars, because they are the inheritors of the teachings from the chains of ulema who go back to the Sahabah and in turn the prophet Muhammad (SAW).
I believe that to be false! If you are facing a problem simply refer to what Prophet Muhammad said or did in that situation and woala! Problem solved as simply as that! If you don't find the solution in Sunnah (which normally is not possible) then you can go to the next step and find a scholar who can guide you.
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Islam is not a job. If you think can handover your responsibilities to the Mullahs and ask them to come when you have need of them, you are wrong. This exclusive power offered by us to these Mullahs ultimately works to crack our society like an egg shell. When you consider your brain to be so underdeveloped that you cannot understand Islam that is so simple to understand tu tum nakel pari hoi gaye ki tarah, us ka malik jahan us ko le jata ha wo b pichay pichay chalti ha. Regardless if the owner is taking her to the slaughter house!
What do you think is the reason behind this turmoil facing Muslims all around the world or Pakistan for that matter? Todays Muslim are so dumb or so caught up in their lives that they don't care to check whether what a Mullah is saying is right or wrong. This pathetic attitude is causing all this chaos. No body follows what Muhammad (SAW) taught. Today you need to identify yourself as a shia, a deobandi, a sunni, a al-hadees who has caused these divisions? These Mullahs are to blame! And Muslims who give them the power to do so!
so from today, you don't need any Aalim guide you through serious and delicate matters of our deen Islam, if you have all the wisdom and knowledge it takes to keep an eye on all subjects in every direction concerning aqeedah and fiqh, and you have memorized the whole Quran and can understand it in its language and way of speech, and you know thousands of ahadees and know how to interpret them all, the then you are right, you don't need any Aalim, you yourself are one...
But, if that's not the case, then with this attitude of yours, you are going no where but straight down the drain. Which I hope and pray you don't...
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Yup! Of course my friend, I have a different opinion so naturally I would be going down the drain. 
You don’t have to be a genius to follow Islam. Its a simple religion and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has explained pretty much everything that needed explaining. We are not Christians, they are dependent on their church to deliver them to the pearly gates. If you have a problem refer to Prophet’s (SAW) sunnah or Ah’hadees. If you still have the problem then go to an Alim.
Buddy, you can’t dump all your responsibility of learning Islam on a Mullah and only enjoy ur life!
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^ oh man, where in the world did i say that you dont have to "Learn" islam, and dump everything on an Aalim, and where in the whole thread did i say do not follow Sunnah??? stop putting words in my mouth, and read my first and 2nd post again. stop bullzosing your opinion as a fact. you simply failed to comprehend what i said in the start, and got involved in an off topic discussion. I had justified my point right there, and corrected the links to the original books. If you care to read them and then point out whats wrong there only then it will be worth talking to you.
cheers
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Good tactic but very old.
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Trying to interpret Islam on your own rather than turning to scholars who have studied it in details for decades is precisely what creates extremists on both the liberal and fundamentalist sides.
From letting women lead jummah to trying to take over the sacred mosque of Mecca to prepare the rule of the Mahdi.... extremism has its roots in trying to make an independent interpretation without full knowledge of broader context.
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plz Some Mod of Religion have the Decency to Close this thread NOW ..I would say alot but You lot prolly ban me then .. and so rather other ppl say some things like above .. its better that ppl dont go to such extremes by even calling ghamidi a Islamic Scholar ..
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Trying to interpret Islam on your own rather than turning to scholars who have studied it in details for decades is precisely what creates extremists on both the liberal and fundamentalist sides.
No it doesn't! Liberal extremism is created by not referring to religion at all and religious extremism is created by following some pseudo scholar. As I said Islam is a simple, straight forward, easy to understand religion. As I said Christians are dependent on their church to guide them to "haven" probably because their are so much discrepancies in their faith that they need to hide them from the general public. In contrast Islam has nothing to hide. A layman can easily understand its teachings. It comprises of two parts: 1. Quran and 2. Sunnah. What interpretation was needed by Quran has already been done by Prophet Muhammad (SAW). Even then if you have a confusion then consult someone.
In Surah Al-Baqara 67–73 Quran tells of a story of Jews who were asked to sacrifice a cow:
And remember Moses said to his people: "God commands that ye sacrifice a heifer." They said: "Makest thou a laughing-stock of us?" He said: "God save me from being an ignorant (fool)!"
002.068 They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said; "He says: The heifer should be neither too old nor to o young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!"
002.069 They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us her colour." He said: "He says: A fawn-coloured heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"
002.070 They said: "Beseech on our behalf Thy Lord to make plain to us what she is: To us are all heifers alike: We wish indeed for guidance, if God wills."
002.071 He said: "He says: A heifer not trained to till the soil or water the fields; sound and without blemish." They said: "Now hast thou brought the truth." Then they offered her in sacrifice, but not with good-will.
002.072 Remember ye slew a man and fell into a dispute among yourselves as to the crime: But God was to bring forth what ye did hide.
002.073 So We said: "Strike the (body) with a piece of the (heifer)." Thus God bringeth the dead to life and showeth you His Signs: Perchance ye may understand.
This is a simple example. If the Jews had sacrificed any cow without getting into the details, the sacrifice would have been accepted. But they had to "interpret"!
From letting women lead jummah to trying to take over the sacred mosque of Mecca to prepare the rule of the Mahdi.... extremism has its roots in trying to make an independent interpretation without full knowledge of broader context.
These acts are result of pure ignorance, nothing else.