Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah

[teaser]

Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah

@bitter_reality

I actually have this video recording of a shia imaam ( Talib Johri ) reciting funny and insulting poetry about Sahabas...in a shia imaam bargah. I can post it....but then I fear that it would be too much to hear...and admins will delete it.

Could you pm me the link please? I would like to see that, I am not shia but Ido respect for Talib Johri with vast knowledge he has. i would like to see that. Thanks.

[SlaveofAllaah]

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@BOY-NICE

I usually reply to the points that are relevant to the topic. We have been discussing the romance of peionner Sunni ulema with Nasibi and Khawarij hence I replied to those of yuor points, rest of your included a haphazard lecture by you.

And I dont know where did you find the words ‘forget judgement day’ in my post

Thanks for your reply,

[Das_Reich]

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Extremism and ignorance is a norm in Sunni's and shias' today. *Just as Sunni go overboard in praising some of the sahaba (ra) regardless of their impact on development of sects and hatred ... same way Shias go to extreme in expressing love and loyatly to the family and reject their falibility. *

IMO, The best practice is to sought guidance from quran and Sunnah. do read the islamic history but give it less importance in life, because it is patchy and controversial. Taking islamic history past prophet (pbuh) too seriously and making it pillars of faith, in addition to basic faith (which is common among all muslims) is quite dangerous.

are you the moderator ? ...I think u should be....okay i didnt see u already are ...

[Das_Reich]

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@massive

may Allah curse those who are against the family of the Prophet :saw: and the righteous companions of the Prophet:saw:

I agree with you completely

[Das_Reich]

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@khanbabax

Another famous shia website www.al-islam.org on Ummhat ul Mumineen.

there is nothing wrong with this quote …some mothers of the faithful did cause "mischef and rebellion " read Quran you will see yourself

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YUSUFALI: When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another), and Allah made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, "Who told thee this? "He said, “He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things).”
PICKTHAL: When the Prophet confided a fact unto one of his wives and when she afterward divulged it and Allah apprised him thereof, he made known (to her) part thereof and passed over part. And when he told it her she said: Who hath told thee? He said: The Knower, the Aware hath told me.
SHAKIR: And when the prophet secretly communicated a piece of information to one of his wives-- but when she informed (others) of it, and Allah made him to know it, he made known part of it and avoided part; so when he informed her of it, she said: Who informed you of this? He said: The Knowing, the one Aware, informed me.

**http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html

*066.004 *
YUSUFALI: If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up.
PICKTHAL: If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired (the ban); and if ye aid one another against him (Muhammad) then lo! Allah, even He, is his Protecting Friend, and Gabriel and the righteous among the believers; and furthermore the angels are his helpers.
SHAKIR: If you both turn to Allah, then indeed your hearts are already inclined (to this); and if you back up each other against him, then surely Allah it is Who is his Guardian, and Jibreel and -the believers that do good, and the angels after that are the aiders.
*066.005 *
YUSUFALI: It may be, if he divorced you (all), that Allah will give him in exchange consorts better than you,- who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins.
PICKTHAL: It may happen that his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your stead wives better than you, submissive (to Allah), believing, pious, penitent, devout, inclined to fasting, widows and maids.
SHAKIR: Maybe, his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your place wives better than you, submissive, faithful, obedient, penitent, adorers, fasters, widows and virgins.

…obviously this does not mean we start cursing them …but denying their mischef is denying Quran…just because some nutcase ayatullah is distorting history and presenting fictional accounts does not mean we go to the other extreme

[system]

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@code red

IMO, The best practice is to sought guidance from quran and Sunnah

sir....again the pitfall...which sunnah...as quoted in bukhari or as quoted in kafi ??????

[Das_Reich]

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^ good point ...

[BOY-NICE]

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The point is to stick with Thaqlain i.e Quran and Ahlulbayt [as] (according to the insturction of Holy Prophet [s] in hadith e Thaqlayn). And once it is in mind, a person can easily know where to follow Bukhari or al-Kafi

peace

[Minerva]

Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah

Thankyou Code Red and Ravage.
I am going to close this thread as I see both sides had ample room to not just present their views but also to deliberate upon them.
Thankyou all for your valuable input and the remarkable restraint and respect each individual showed towards the other.