Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah
^^ thank you and I hope they all can just understand that....
Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah
these words were used for Abi abdwad a great kafir fighter, who was challanging muslims in the war of Trnches ( khandaq), riding his horse along the trench and cursing Allaha (swt) and muslims and so on. No we all know that calling some one DOG is bad and is a curse, then why? I will not go further on this issue.
first of all...many great historians have denied Abi abdooad personality...its only imaginary that he can fight with 100 wresterlers and if stand on camel skin..and ten people..pused to pull..skin break but they could not move him...
many great historians......refused that ...he ever existed.....
and one who has an atom-weight of wisdom andbrain ...think...what the comparison between a kaffir and the greatest companions...which are best creations after all prophets ...and like stars of guidance...,,,and sky never seen such companions to any prophet out of 1,24,000 prophets...
** not like Moosa whose companions who said that ...O moosa ..go and fight...we are sitting here....**
and Essa was sold by its one Hawari for 32 dinaars....
and not Nooh whose own son devited
neither like Looth...whose wife went astray....
give me a single example in the whole human history...of such great companions....who sacrificed everything for muhammad(pbuh)...thier life...wealth..migrated...martyred...brutally tortured.......
23 years prophet(pbuh) brought out the first political revolution and created first indeopendent state with the help of these companions ....who other prophet and companions...tell me jishah...tell me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
who other did this......can you give me a single example from 1 24 000 prohets... !!!!!!!!!!!!
and you are comparing these personalities with the kaffir fighter...have you lose your sesnses.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hadees narrated by aisha that in one night...prophet(pbuh) head was in my lap...the sky was clear and moonand stars were twinkling...in that place...i asked prophet(pbuh)...is there any man on ythe face of earth whose deeds are equal to stars in the sky......prophet(pbuh) replied that...yes......there is one ...and he is the son of Khattab......then aisha asked...whats about the father...prophet(pbuh) replied that ......umars all good deeds...are equal to only one deed of abu bakr !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and if some stands and say a single bad words to these personalities.......
shameful...just shameful.........
O people...fear of the Azaab of Allah...go and see how the blood rivers are flowing in Iraq and Karbala...Baghdad....and Najaf..etc etc.....i am ver sinful person ...but for god sake....do not invite the God Azzab by calling such personalities such shameful names !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah
excellent…just excellent…
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1.tabbara bazi is the important rukan of deen...means pillar of deen...whetehr in heart(taqiyya) or by open mouth.....
2.hahahahah....thee urdu sentence of curse reffering to 2 and 3 caliph...i do not dare to write it.....and all other great sahabas
3.who the hell have a bughz of ali except kufi who killed him..and his two sons..and his whole family...either as lovers ..or as khwarij ..in Neherwaan.....
even Muavia ...have no bughz with ali...its just tribal conflict of hashmis and ummayyads..as discussed in detail in another threads.....
- marwan started it.......and just in tribal jeoalusy.....and other ummayyaads followed it...but umar bin abdal aziz stopped that....
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Certainly not. Keep your home made laws with you. Either laws apply on each and every one (including sahabas) or it doesnt apply to anyone at all. You cannot provide immunity to someone.
The one who cursed/abused/hated/faught against Ahlulbayt [as] is not equal to a non-muslim, forget about better than all muslims.
As above.
Make your facts straight, instead of depending on your Nasibi companions, it is better to consult with A shia on the issue. We do not believe that there were only three companions on the right path and the tradition which says so is considered weak. On the ther hand, there are hadithis in authentic Sunni text too which suggest that number of Sahaba went apostate after Prophet [s]. So, no point of getting excited.
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Again your najis nasibi companions have misinformed you. It is better to know the belief of Shia from the Shias themselves otherwise just relying on Nasibi books/websites will always keep you misguided and ignorant.
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3.who the hell have a bughz of ali except kufi who killed him..and his two sons..and his whole family...either as lovers ..or as khwarij ..in Neherwaan..... even Muavia ...have no bughz with ali...its just tribal conflict of hashmis and ummayyads..as discussed in detail in another threads.....
Yea and the very Khawarij were your ancestors and can be found in the principle bokos of hadeth that you adhere to. So you should not be proud of that if you have some shame left.
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4. marwan started it.......and just in tribal jeoalusy.....and other ummayyaads followed it...but umar bin abdal aziz stopped that....
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Marwan started on ther orders of Muawiyah bin Hind, he was the one who made Marwan governor and instructed all of his governors to abuse Ali [as] from pulpits. But anyways, its good to see that you admitted that Marwan cursed Ali bin Abi Talib [as] and other Ahlulbayt [as], bot I feel so sorry that even after this fact your ancestors were not hesitant of deriving religious tachings from that laeen and have deemed him among the Fuqaha of Madina.
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I feel guys cool down, and I can see some hard targets here, people who know are Kharijis are the one's, who disobeyed both Muawiya and Ali, well if someone knows the incident when Abdullaah ibn Masood, goes into the lion's den thats the khariji's and explains and more then half the khariji's supported him after his lecture(remember none wehre sahaba's amongts that).
Well, take care if you think you can curse the sahaba's go ahead, i dont deny and if sunni's curse the Ahlul Bayt, Ahlan wa Sahlan let them do it.
Well, remember there is no compulsion in religion, I will never call this people as Kaffirs, **I will just say these actions are not part of Islam. **At last but not the leaset Allaah is a witness for all this.
Boy Nice, i appreciate your knowledge but for your information in the Sunni hadith, they are narrations by ****tes also, i think you missed out on this previously, i hope this helps you.
Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah
^ brother...no one curses ahle-bait ....its just the act of some ummayads in tribal conflict...thats all ...
Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah
^ brother...no one curses ahle-bait ....its just the act of some ummayads in tribal conflict...thats all ...
And yet you deem those Nawasib are the integral part of your hadith system. Shame!!! And btw, there was no 'tribal conflict' rather the Bughz e Ali [as] which lead those Nawasib curse/abuse/fight against Him [as].
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bukhari took only hadees from zaidi shias..means not ghali..which do ghooloo about ali(ra)...as some holy body....
and how many hetook..only few...you are keep on repeting this point for 20 days...have you ever read Bukhari !!!!!!!!
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Anyway there are all kinds of shias and sunnis, fanatic and moderate. We cannot classify all in one group. I know sunnis who curse Ahle-bait, now I can open threads spreading hatred for them but I won't because I know they just represent a fraction of that sect and not the entire sect. For past week or so I have seen people opening threads left and right against shias, googling whatever they can find that would support their argument and clumping all in one group. This should also come to an end.
Never heard or read Sunnis cursing Ahle-Bait. Please provide a source or link, otherwise please refrain from make false accusations.
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And yet you deem those Nawasib are the integral part of your hadith system. Shame!!! And btw, there was no 'tribal conflict' rather the Bughz e Ali [as] which lead those Nawasib curse/abuse/fight against Him [as].
Apni khair banao, tum ghali do sahaba ko, aur mast raho, no tension at all the Nasibis are the ones who are against Ali, now just because we have this in the hadith system, we have even bukhari quoting from rafidis, quoting from Kharijis, which you hardly get any evidence, no doubt you have the evidence but bring it forwards before mud slinging.
I avoid all these **** neither ami a nasibi fan, khariji fan or rafidi fan what matters is authenticity of narration. If by any case we start revering Muawiya in the same sense as Ali, then it would be a different case and listen buddy ask the shia imams to stop quoting from Sahih bukhari and Muslims from next time. Because my friends have told me that yes they quote bukhari and muslim in certain incidents might be one of the narrators is a nasibi and khawarij.
Decide, about this and come back to me because I feel i can get tonnes of evidences to back your accusation and the same with you because these topics are going on for 100's of years, and people to protect there identity have written tonnes of articles and is in the shape we find out today.
Thats one reason I believe that, Aqeeda is most important, I wonder if any of these will come to save us during the Judgement day, except for Prophet Mohammed none, as mentioned in the Quran.
I dont say I am right or I am wrong, because as usual you have turned the tables to protect the Shia Imam, what he is told is wrong in light of quran whre in quran it says dont talk in vain desire, which is already done. It only shows that amongst shiites its a sacred ceremony, and its better we agree, this is wrong logically.
Deem all of them as kaffirs inclusive of Ayesha, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, etc.... who are amonts the leaders of Nasibis, but remember what faith they died upon only Allaah knows the best, so cursing them after 1400 years is not going to solve the problem. I dont care if you go against the Sahabas its your wish but remember are you doing yourself any justice by claiming any of these or is it written that if we curse the SAhaba's that rafidi's will go to the Paradise and if its yes then your going against the Quran (about moral character) and Allaah knows the best.
Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah
Apni khair banao, tum ghali do sahaba ko, aur mast raho,
Hum sirf un sahaba ko condemn kartay hain jo Nasibi thay, yani Bughz e Ahlulbayt [as] say bharay huay thay. Aur agar aisay lgoon ko bura kahna tumhain itna hi khalta hai to pehlay un tamaam Nasibi sahaba ko apni apni khair manwanay ka kaho jinhoon nay Ali bin Abi Talib [as] ko laanat di ya galiian di ya phir nafrat ki. Aik usool sab kay lye hota hai, na kay sirf Shia hazraat kay lye!!
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no tension at all the Nasibis are the ones who are against Ali, now just because we have this in the hadith system, we have even bukhari quoting from rafidis, quoting from Kharijis, which you hardly get any evidence, no doubt you have the evidence but bring it forwards before mud slinging.
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Thats what I have been trying to say, you might have included Rafidhi narraotrs but what was the stance of your pioneer ulema/imams about those rafidhi narrator, letsee. While talking about a rafidhi narrator Talid bin Sulaiman al-Muharebi, Imam of Ahle Sunnah Yahya ibn Mueen said:
*‘A liar, he used to abuse Uthman and whoever abuses Uthman or Talha or any one of the companions of messenger of Allah (pbuh) , he is quack and his narrations are not to be noted down and may the curse of Allah, the angels and the people be upon him.’
*Tahdeeb al Kamal, Volume 4 page 18
While your beloved Nasibi and Khariji are deemed thiqa even though they cursed Ali bin Abi Talib [as] who happened to be your 4th caliph for god sake!!!
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Thats one reason I believe that, Aqeeda is most important, I wonder if any of these will come to save us during the Judgement day, except for Prophet Mohammed none, as mentioned in the Quran.
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Well, who gonna come us on qyamat to save us, it also varies from sect to sect but in any case, I also dont have eager wishes to discuss all these matters but when I see that a bunch of ignorants are allowed to copy paste anything they find against the Shia from the Nasibi websites/books, then obviously its my duty to clarify the doubts for the naive readers. You can see that my post are always reactive instead of proactive.
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As usual you ignore the rest of the post, well I am waiting for your reactive replies for the last two paragraphs. Because, it hardly matters regarding what you have written it was expected, but why forget Judgement day and it varies sect to sect this is someting new to me and against the word of Allaah.
Waiting for it.
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a) He is a marginal figure in the shia ayatollahs, and apparently been excommunicated by people like Sistani whove declared it haram to seek fatawa from him. His following and influence can be gauged by comparing his website with those of reputed Ayatollahs like Sistani and Khamenei (see hawza.org or sistani.org). Try searching for his name on shiachat.com and you’ll see how controversial his statements are.
b) This is a trolling post, possibly not even your own, copied word for word from other forums.
http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/religion-spirituality/grand-ayatollah-cursing-prophets-wives-sahabah-taqiyyah-62134/
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=184580
Re: Grand Ayatollah On Cursing the Prophet’s Wives/Companions and Taqiyyah
its means that "tabara Bazi" is haram in shia sect ???
or its the pillar of deen..means Ruknai deen to send tabarra.....
plz. explain that ?
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^ you meander in extremes. tabarra to the point of cursing is generally discouraged, and you wont find any endorsement to this extreme by the clerics 90% of people follow today such as Khamenei, Sistani.
Tabarra means "disassociation". Shias are encouraged to read History openly and disassociate with what/who were wrong. Shias will in general believe that the first three caliphs were in the wrong. How they express that is where people differ. Ofcourse two-bit mullas and radicals are a problem in every sect, who frequently try to get cheap popularity by cashing on the divisive instincts we all have. In the subcontinent especially since the 70s and the rise of people like Irfan Haider Abidi this sort of nonsense has unfornately escalated quite a bit.
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Never heard or read Sunnis cursing Ahle-Bait. Please provide a source or link, otherwise please refrain from make false accusations.
If you haven't heard doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I have seen that, people making such remarks infront of me, even a maulana at a local mosque. So instead of arguing that it never happens, maybe go back, read my post again to understand what i am saying....I am merely pointing at one sect but have said that there are all sorts of people in once sect and we should understand that we cannot clump everyone under one category.
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I usually reply to the points that are relevant to the topic. We have been discussing the romance of peionner Sunni ulema with Nasibi and Khawarij hence I replied to those of yuor points, rest of your included a haphazard lecture by you.
And I dont know where did you find the words ‘forget judgement day’ in my post 
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Extremism and ignorance is a norm in Sunni's and shias' today. Just as Sunni go overboard in praising some of the sahaba (ra) regardless of their impact on development of sects and hatred ... same way Shias go to extreme in expressing love and loyatly to the family and reject their falibility.
IMO, The best practice is to sought guidance from quran and Sunnah. do read the islamic history but give it less importance in life, because it is patchy and controversial. Taking islamic history past prophet (pbuh) too seriously and making it pillars of faith, in addition to basic faith (which is common among all muslims) is quite dangerous.