Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
u really, really need someone to tell u why??
Please do.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Ask them what? Are you saying PML-Q sent suicide bombers to kill her? Are you serious?
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Spock, faulted jammers didnt kill her.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
What make you think shes lying? And the fact that she died the next day because of lapses in security on the part of the government makes it obvious she wasnt lying.
Come on, who else is going to win the elections. Whether you are or not a PPP supporter, everyone knows that the PPP is the most popular party in Pakistan, and pleaes dont give me that crap that its Musharraf, because people hate him.
Yeah, everyones pointing a finger at the Government. Even top critics of Benazir are doing so. Just wait and see.
Obviously she was going to get killed. No security agency in the world could have came up with a fool proof method. Even USA and Israel have a hard time thwarting suicide attacks, not to mention that terrorists were hell bent on killing Bhutto. I'm not arguing whether or not she should have went on such huge public rallies and gatherings. If she thought it necessary for her campaign than that was her prerogative. But to ignore constant warnings by the government and still blame the government for lack of security is a bit too much in my opinion.
And you still haven't proved how these alleged dysfunctional jammers caused her death. If she were to be killed today because of a remote control bomb than yes, her allegations regarding the jammers would have been validated but that is not the case (unless I'm missing something).
As for the topic of pointing the finger at government, its sad that you fail to see the continuation of an ever-present pattern. When has the opposition not blamed the government? For each and every action, the government has had to face wide spread criticism by every individual with a mic in front of the face. For every significant issue, the government is placed at fault. It really is a no win situation for them. The Lal Masjid debacle was the perfect example of that. There is no way that the government could have handled that situation that pleased everyone in the opposition.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Simple crowd control could have saved her life.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
First of all, on this sad event we should pray for her and all those who lost their lives in this incident. We should also pray for her family members that they get strength to get through this moment. I know some people very close to her and it is really difficult and sad day for them.
Anyhow, BB alleged that jammers provided were faulty … good politics or maybe stupid politics. If jammers were faulty, she should have stopped all events and got those jammers corrected before moving around. But was she really serious of her security or was concerned about that? I do not think so.
I think that her statement was nothing to do with jammers being faulty but it is to do with playing politics with her own life. It is not duty of government to provide her with jammers or any security, as she was one of many political persons in Pakistan. She was from opposition and in country like Pakistan, opposition gets obstacle rather than security apparatus from government. Nevertheless, government was trying their best to provide her security, just because Musharraf government thought that she would be of help to government in fighting and giving political backing against retarded animals of Al-quaida and Taliban in society.
Pakistan has VIP culture and she was getting treated as VIP, when in reality if NRO had not come, she would have been in prison. Government warned her of risks she is taking by going into public gatherings in volatile environment that Pakistan has these days with anti American feelings, where retarded animals of Al-quiada and Taliban were looking for her blood, especially when she came to Pakistan on the backing of USA, giving statements against Taliban and Al-quaida, and with desire to bolster hand of Musharraf government against these retards. Unfortunately, her death means now Musharraf government could not use her to get some extra supports to thrash retards.
I think that she had no sense to realize what sort of animals running about in Pakistan, and that she is not inciting humans with her speeches, but animals who are ruthless and could not just kill innocents but could even slaughter people like sacrificial animal mercilessly. These animals have no value or respect of lives, be that theirs or others. If she had a little bit of sense, she should have cooperated with security people and should not have taken risk what she was foolishly taking all the time, coming out of her car or waving people from open roof top. She should have realized that there is a hairline in between being foolish and bold. She should have realized that all these drama she was doing, she was not showing boldness but was showing foolishness, but unfortunately, time has passed as her foolishness has cost her lives of many, including hers.
I do not believe that what jammers was provided to her could have been faulty, but even if it was, the way she was moving about, exposing herself to every risk, no person in the government would have even cared to worry about state of the jammers, and rightly so. If she thought that she is so brave that she would not obey security instructions and would not follow what was told to her, than no one could be blamed of what happened to her, except herself.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
How do I know, even if that is true? Why was she standing outside her car?
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main bhi yahi kehanay wala tha but I saw your reply. On CNN they keep talking about suicide bomber, muslim women , extremist, magar ya tu goli say killed howi hai, bomb tu baad main phata
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
^ well then u must ask that why she was there on a first place (for campaigning…right 
)?
or you people are too use-to of telephonic jalsay-jaloos-speeches?
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
yeah blame the govt for everything, a jammer isnt going to stop a gun from firing, and if PPP were so concerned about her “security” why was she standing and waving from the sunroof like a sitting duck, so much for bullet proof car
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Obviously she was going to get killed. No security agency in the world could have came up with a fool proof method. Even USA and Israel have a hard time thwarting suicide attacks, not to mention that terrorists were hell bent on killing Bhutto. I'm not arguing whether or not she should have went on such huge public rallies and gatherings. If she thought it necessary for her campaign than that was her prerogative. But to ignore constant warnings by the government and still blame the government for lack of security is a bit too much in my opinion.
And you still haven't proved how these alleged dysfunctional jammers caused her death. If she were to be killed today because of a remote control bomb than yes, her allegations regarding the jammers would have been validated but that is not the case (unless I'm missing something).
As for the topic of pointing the finger at government, its sad that you fail to see the continuation of an ever-present pattern. When has the opposition not blamed the government? For each and every action, the government has had to face wide spread criticism by every individual with a mic in front of the face. For every significant issue, the government is placed at fault. It really is a no win situation for them. The Lal Masjid debacle was the perfect example of that. There is no way that the government could have handled that situation that pleased everyone in the opposition.
Youre not very smart. I didnt say faulty jammers caused this, and if you bothered to read this, the faulty jammers were provided to her 'before' the 27th, its the intention of the Govt thats under credibility now. The Govt wanted her out of the way, and thats what Im trying to prove. Now instead of coming up with lame remarks like me being a PPP supporter or being biased, come up with something smart or dont contribute to this topic. And lastly, its the Governments job to provide security to the most popular leader in the country, be it against them, and if they fail to do so, they are held accountable for that.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Spock, faulted jammers didnt kill her.
I know wiseguy, and this was BEFORE the 27th, but why was she provided faulty jammers, speaks alot about the Govt and their measures to save her doesnt it?
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
And watch this, it has a transcript of an email BB sent out to someone in the US in case if she died:
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Youre not very smart. I didnt say faulty jammers caused this, and if you bothered to read this, the faulty jammers were provided to her 'before' the 27th, its the intention of the Govt thats under credibility now. The Govt wanted her out of the way, and thats what Im trying to prove. Now instead of coming up with lame remarks like me being a PPP supporter or being biased, come up with something smart or dont contribute to this topic. And lastly, its the Governments job to provide security to the most popular leader in the country, be it against them, and if they fail to do so, they are held accountable for that.
Trouble is, you're asking for smart arguments when you're not giving them yourself.
You are trying to prove that the Govt was complicit in her death. All you have so far is faulty jammers, in an event where the bomb was manually detonated. While you may be able to show security lapses contributing to her death, faulty jammers werent one of them. So this is one, long-winded, non-sequiter. You will inevitably draw the conclusion you started off with, and attempt to sell it as rational thought, but it really isnt.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Trouble is, you're asking for smart arguments when you're not giving them yourself.
You are trying to prove that the Govt was complicit in her death. All you have so far is faulty jammers, in an event where the bomb was manually detonated. While you may be able to show security lapses contributing to her death, faulty jammers werent one of them. So this is one, long-winded, non-sequiter. You will inevitably draw the conclusion you started off with, and attempt to sell it as rational thought, but it really isnt.
There are alot of other questions my friend, those from Benazir's interview from CNN, where she put them up and never got answers. The turning off of lights in Oct was also one stark indication of a planned assasination. Why is it that there was hardly any police around Benazir, in both instances? If we rule out the Govt, we cant rule out that the Govt made sure this assasination could be carried out. Providing faulty equipment is just one way to show how they werent really that adament about her safety.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
There are alot of other questions my friend, those from Benazir's interview from CNN, where she put them up and never got answers. The turning off of lights in Oct was also one stark indication of a planned assasination. Why is it that there was hardly any police around Benazir, in both instances? If we rule out the Govt, we cant rule out that the Govt made sure this assasination could be carried out. Providing faulty equipment is just one way to show how they werent really that adament about her safety.
I can agree with you that it should be very easy to find security lapses in what happened, otherwise a suicide bombing at such a high profile rally shouldnt be possible. It is however a leap of logic to assume intent to kill/allow killing rather than simple incompetance.
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Youre not very smart. I didnt say faulty jammers caused this, and if you bothered to read this, the faulty jammers were provided to her 'before' the 27th, its the intention of the Govt thats under credibility now. The Govt wanted her out of the way, and thats what Im trying to prove. Now instead of coming up with lame remarks like me being a PPP supporter or being biased, come up with something smart or dont contribute to this topic. And lastly, its the Governments job to provide security to the most popular leader in the country, be it against them, and if they fail to do so, they are held accountable for that.
Wow. I'm appalled at how you can go about calling others stupid while starting grassy knoll conspiracy theories yourself. Your logic that faulty jammers is definite proof of the government's active involvement (even though those alleged jammers had absolutely no part in her death, as you concede yourself) is absolutely ridiculous to say the least. Your allegations are not fooling anyone. Its quite clear that there is a bias against the government so stop acting as if your completely neutral on the issue (your signature doesn't help either). As pointed out by the poster above me, it takes quite a huge leap of logic to come upon the conclusions that you have come upon based on some extremely shoddy logical progressions. Honestly, if this was a criminal case in a court of law, your case will be thrown out faster than you can say "circumstantial evidence".
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
lol my signature hurts you well its there for that exact reason, and btw, such things dont get dismissed in a criminal case in a court of law, unless your beloved dictator goes and dismiss the judges for being far
Re: Govt provided faulty jammers: Benazir (26th Dec)
Not really actually. I have no affiliations with either Musharaf or Altaf Hussain. If tomorrow they were both to meet a similar fate as your beloved Bhutto, I would not shed a tear, much like I didn’t shed a tear for her yesterday. As I’ve stated before, I don’t care much for any politician within Pakistan.
And if you honestly believe that any court will listen to a case based on such flimsy circumstantial evidence than you’ve been watching too many Bollywood movies.