Govt. has no operational control over Army/ISI: Ministry of Defence

If these jokers have no operational control over the army any ISI.. what are the doing clinging to the power. The fact is they are only interested in their cuts/commission and have no interest in controlling them. They sign NROs with the same establishment and assure them of total loyalty to gain power. These political opportunist have always tried to make deals with the same establishment, and when they are unable to give any performance/governance they start blaming the same establishment conspiring against democracy.

Govt has no control on Army/ISI ops: ministry

ISLAMABAD: Ministry of Defence in its written reply to the Supreme Court of Pakistan in the memogate scandal case has said that it has no control on the Army/ISI operations, Geo News reported.

Sources privy to the matter told Geo News that defence ministry in the rejoinder had confessed to the fact that it had no handle whatsoever on any of the operations conducted by Pakistan Army and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

The government only takes care of administrative affairs of these two institutions, thus the ministry was not in a position to answer or explain anything on the behalf of Pakistan Army, they added quoting the rejoinder.

It is pertinent to mention here that Supreme Court of Pakistan had ordered Ministry of Defence to submit a written reply on the same.

Meanwhile ISI chief, Gen Shuja Pasha in his reply to Supreme Court on the memo issue has reaffirmed his earlier stance.

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Wasn’t/Isn’t that obvious for decades :smack:

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It is the appropriate time for the civilian govt to assert their authority over the military and put them in their place.
Bloody "doo takey k" generals !

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Forget ISI do they have control over anything?

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Does they have control of ministry of water and power? have they got any control over the price hike and inflation? have they got any control over the law and order situation in the country? what they hell are they talking about?

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is this a news to anyone?

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After remaining subservient to the army for four years suddenly the government has remembered that it has got no powers. Anyways, the situation is getting ugly and moving towards a full fledge confrontation. With the army and judiciary on one side, and the government on the other. Today the prime minister while addressing the parliament said that they have sided with the army after Mumbai attacks, OBL operation and the recent attack on the check post (Mohmand), OBL commission is asking the government if they were issuing the Americans visas but no one is asking the military as to how OBL remained in Pakistan for over six years.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/22/no-institution-has-right-to-create-a-state-within-state-pm.html

No institution has right to create a state within state: PM

ISLAMABAD**: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Thursday said conspirators were plotting to bring down his government, giving his most public indication yet that he fears being ousted from power.
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“I want to make it clear today that conspiracies are being hatched here to pack up the elected government,” Gilani told a gathering at the National Arts Gallery, without naming anyone.

“But we will continue to fight for the rights of people of Pakistan whether or not we remain in the government,” Gilani said, declaring himself the country’s longest serving premier, with 45 months on the job.

Two weeks ago, Interior Minister Rehman Malik dismissed rumours that a coup could overthrow the government, but Gilani’s remarks appeared to show that members of the administration believe their early departure is all too possible.

Addressing the National Assembly on Thursday, PM Gilani said that the government respects the armed forces and has supported the military in the worst of times.

“They are a disciplined army and follow the constitution,” Gilani said. “They are under the government and will remain under the government.”

**But heading off questions in parliament, he took aim at the military over reports that the defence ministry conceded to the Supreme Court that it had no control over the armed forces or ISI intelligence agency.

“If they say that they are not under the ministry of defence, then we should get out of this slavery, then this parliament has no importance, this system has no importance, then you are not sovereign,” he told lawmakers.

**“They are being paid from the State Exchequer, from your revenue and from your taxes.”

**All institutions are subservient to the Parliament, and no institution has the right to create a state within the state, added the prime minister.
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“If somebody thinks that they are not under the government, they are mistaken. They are under the government and they shall remain under the government, because we are the elected representatives of the people of Pakistan.”

**Appearing to lose patience, he said the government had stood by the security services over a storm of American pressure over the Osama bin Laden killing, the November 26 Nato attack and the 2008 attacks on Mumbai.

“In the worst circumstances we doubled their salaries. They have to be accountable to parliament.”

“We are being asked by the judicial commission (examining the May 2 US raid that killed bin Laden raid and how the al Qaeda leader lived in Pakistan undetected) about issuance of visas (to Americans).

“But I want to ask how was (bin Laden) living here for the past six years? On what type of visa was he living here? Why was security not taken care of, if he entered in Pakistan without a visa?”**

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I like what Gillani said today in Assembly. Although he stopped short of naming ISI/Army but everyone knows who he was pointing towards. PPP has been cornered and I believe they have decided to fight back instead of "respectful exit" agreement.

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i think peoples party wants to become a shaheed in all this as that would earn them goodwill, otherwise due to their performance they dont stand a chance of winning the next elections. Its a calculated move they have already enjoyed arounf four years of their government.

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^ Whatever it is, reality is that Army want to throw out Zardari and no matter how much we hate him for messing up Pakistan, Army should have no say in who should be the president and who should be not.

On second thought this will only validate the contents of 'memo'.

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so what else is new?

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If the army does that they will give a new life to Peoples party, and the image of judiciary will be further shattered (both will be perceived as biased Punjabi military and judiciary).

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^ Exactly. PPP will get Shaheed-e-Jamhooriyat tablet

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Disarray in govt as now it appears to be saying they did not approve this MoD statement.

**Government did not file MoD reply: Official

**Reply create­d a stir by statin­g that the army and the ISI was not under its contro­l.

By Faisal Shakeel

A top official of the federal government on Thursday disowned a controversial reply filed by the ministry of defence (MoD) submitted to the Supreme Court late Wednesday. The reply submitted on behalf of the secretary of the ministry of defence created a stir by stating that the army and the ISI was not under its control. The secretary’s reply also stated that the ministry could not submit any reply on behalf of the army or ISI.

However, the official told The Express Tribune that they didn’t know on whose instructions the defence secretary was acting – but it wasn’t the federal government. Had the government intended to submit a reply, it would have done it on its own instead of routing it through the MoD, they said. Besides, he said, the reply should have been forwarded to the Supreme Court through the Ministry of Law, Justice and Parliamentary Affairs or the office of the Attorney General of Pakistan – which it wasn’t.

Earlier, the attorney general’s office had submitted the replies of the Ministry of Interior and Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the Supreme Court. In both the replies, the ministries reflected the federal government’s stance: dismiss the petitions against the memogate affair.

The official said the ministry secretary did not need to refer to the filing of the replies of the ISI and the army because it was not under the court order to furnish such replies. He added that the court had asked only the federal government, US businessman Mansoor Ijaz and former Ambassador to the US Hussain Haqqani to “accept or deny” the replies filed by the COAS General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani, ISI DG General Shuja Pasha and others.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/310804/government-did-not-file-mod-reply-official/

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Abdul Qadir Gailani (son of our very pious PM ) :cobra: **

[URDU]
**مجھے اس بات پر بھی فخر ہے کہ میرے آباواجداد نے انگریزوں سے جائیدادیں لیں اور پھر ایک پیسا خیرات میں دے دیا

مجھے اس بات پر بھی فخر ہے کہ میری ماں نے چوون کروڑ کا قرضہ لیا اور چھ کروڑ میں پلی بارگین باقی سارا ہڑپ

مجھے اس بات پر بھی فخر ہے کہ میرے باپ نے ایک ڈیل کی رشوت میں لاہور ڈیفنس میں چودہ کروڑ کے دو گھر لئے

مجھے اس بات پر بھی فخر ہے کہ خواجہ کو او جی سی ایل کا چیرمین لگانے کے لئے پینتیس کروڑ کیش میں لیا

مجھے اس بات پر بھی فخر ہے کہ میری لندن کی صرف ہیررڈز کی شاپنگ کا بل اکتالیس ہزار پاونڈ تھا

مجھے اس بات پر بھی فخر ہے کہ وکٹوریہ کسینو لندن میں ایک رات میں اپنی روحانی گدی کے مریدوں
سے وصول کردہ پچاس ہزار پاونڈ ہارے

شرم نہیں آتی تم سب کمی کمینوں کو تم گناہگار مرید اور ہم نسلی پیر**
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^ :konfused:

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Just scratch the surface a bit more and u’ll be appalled by what u may find about such elites incl. Army :frowning:

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Ups and downs of Pakistan’s politics:

A few months back Nawaz Sharif was targeting the army and the government was in bed with them:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011\06\23\story_23-6-2011_pg13_5

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/23/zardari-has-become-armys-spokesman-says-pml-n.html

And now we have another u-turn:

http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=29216

[http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/23/rulers-talking-enemy’s-language-says-shahbaz.html

quote]**LAHORE: Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif on Friday strongly condemned the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) leadership for criticising national institutions and said that for the first time in the history of Pakistan, a political leadership was targeting its own army, DawnNews reported.

**The PML-N leader said that it was unfortunate that the rulers of the country were talking enemy’s language and that they were busy in strengthening the hands of foes through false allegations.
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Government has to answer following questions instead of ranting “Jamhoriat kay khilaaf Saazish”..

Meanwhile army and Judiciary categorically have made these statements:

COAS Kayani rules out military takeover

RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said on Friday that the Pakistan Army would continue to support the democratic process and dismissed rumours of a military takeover.

The COAS visited the forward posts in Mohmand and Kurram Agencies on 22 December 2011.

While speaking to the troops, he appreciated the successes achieved under trying environment and the sacrifices made in the process.

COAS Kayani strongly dispelled the speculations of any military takeover and said that these are misleading and are being used as a bogey to divert focus from the real issues.

He emphasized that the issues of national security need to be considered on merit alone. He concluded by saying that irrespective of all other considerations, there can be no compromise on national security.

General Kayani said that no one can put a price tag on the scared blood of martyrs of the nation. The men and women of Pakistan Army are performing their duty of defending Pakistan in accordance with the oath they took.

‘They will continue to do so with the support and prayers of their countrymen, regardless of the cost.’

Memogate: CJ rules out military takeover

ISLAMABAD: Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry has rejected Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s statement regarding Federal Law Minister Babar Awan’s conference on December 1.

The nine-member larger bench headed by Chief Justice (CJ) Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry was hearing the memo case on Friday.

The CJ said Prime Minister Gilani’s reply about Babar Awan was not acceptable as it was unclear and a clear stance should be presented.

He further said gone were the days when unconstitutional government used to get extensions from the court. No takeover will be acceptable.

The Chief Justice remarked that there is no authority except the Constitution and it will be implemented in any case.

He said that every one including DG ISI Shuja Pasha, Army chief Ashfaq Kayani and former envoy Husain Haqqani are in the favour of the investigation.

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I think Army is not going to do anythign stupid.. simply because of the stakes involved. They will wait and see how PPP decides to play martyrs and how SC tackles memo case.