government authorised the killing of Gujrati Muslims

[Iconoclast]

A police officer in India’s Gujarat state says the government there authorised the killing of Muslims three years ago.
RB Sreekumar made the allegation in notes he kept at the time while serving as Gujarat’s intelligence chief.

The Gujarat government says the charges are baseless and untrue, instigated because Mr Sreekumar was not promoted.

Officially more than 1,000 people, most of them Muslims, died in religious riots in Gujarat in 2002.

Human rights groups say many more were killed.

Mr Sreekumar was appointed intelligence chief in April, 2002. Sporadic violence was still occurring in Gujarat then, after the worst of the rioting in February and March.

His allegations relate to his dealings with the Gujarat government after his appointment.

The Gujarat government issued a statement on Thursday denying the charges, saying they had “no veracity”.

‘Unconstitutional directives’

Mr Sreekumar has submitted his notes to India Central Administrative Tribunal (CAT) which investigates complaints by civil servants.

He brought a case against the Gujarat government, saying he was denied a promotion for refusing to act upon the “illegal and unconstitutional directives” of Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as well as the state government and senior state police officers.

The Gujarat riots of 2002 left at least 1,000 people dead

Mr Modi has been criticised for his handling of the riots at home and abroad.

In the notes, Mr Sreekumar alleges that the chief minister asked him to tap the telephones of Shankersinh Vaghela, who was then president of the Congress party.

He said that he was also asked to tap the telephone of cabinet minister Haren Pandya.

In the notes, Mr Sreekumar also says that senior government officials sent messages asking him to kill Muslim extremists who were involved in rioting.

‘Elimination’ order

He alleges that the state police chief told him in May 2002 that Gujarat’s most senior civil servant had spoken about “eliminating those Muslim extremists who are disturbing the communal peace of Ahmedabad”.

Mr Modi has wide support among Hindu nationalists

The city is Gujarat’s commercial centre.

In an entry in June 2002, Mr Sreekumar wrote that a senior civil servant, G Subba Rao had told him to “eliminate” any person trying to disrupt a Hindu religious event in the state.

“He (Mr Rao) added that this is the well considered decision of Chief Minister Narendra Modi,” Mr Sreekumar wrote.

He further claims that when he informed Mr Subba Rao that such “elimination” was illegal, he was told that “such action can be taken on situational logic”.

‘Tutor him’

In another entry in May 2002, Mr Sreekumar wrote that Narendra Modi asked him to concentrate on suspected Muslim militants as hardline Hindu activists are “not doing anything illegal”.

He also alleges in his petition that state government lawyers tried to “tutor him” before he submitted his deposition to the commission.

Mr Sreekumar’s lawyer Anand Yagnik told the BBC that the tribunal had issued notices to Mr Modi and other government officials requesting them to reply by 9 May to the allegations.

[shivangi]

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now wats the point behind raising this

[queer]

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Point is, if the government authorized the killing of muslims, it must be brought to light, and those responsible dealt with. What is the source of the article, btw?

[shivangi]

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my point is that everybody knows that gujrat govt fuled the roits.those were govt targeted killings.and indian ppl ,govt,enquiry commissions,courts media,etc accepts it.then y raking up the issue again and again.that too only by pakistan.

[Surya]

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'Elimination' order

He alleges that the state police chief told him in May 2002 that Gujarat's most senior civil servant had spoken about "eliminating those Muslim extremists who are disturbing the communal peace of Ahmedabad". ]

Good spin, if you read the original article, it says Modi gave a shoot at sight order to eliminate ANYONE who disrupts and attacks the Rath-Yatra which is a annual religious event in Ahmedabad during Janmasthmi. This order was given by him after Jihadis attacked the Akshardham temple killing scores of devotees.

[shivangi]

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Now y u ppl doing the post mortem

[ahura]

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[queer]

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shivangi, i dont think the central goverment's equiry commissions concluded that the modi govt was responsible, while everyone knows it was. and it very well deserves a "post mortem" and a follow-up. however i do agree - pakistanis should shut their trap - they are yet to acknowledge their government's massacre of a few hundred thousand bengali muslims.

[shivangi]

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@queer

shivangi, i dont think the central goverment’s equiry commissions concluded that the modi govt was responsible, while everyone knows it was. and it very well deserves a “post mortem” and a follow-up. however i do agree - pakistanis should shut their trap - they are yet to acknowledge their government’s massacre of a few hundred thousand bengali muslims.

for accepting ur mistake u got to ve big heart and here i appreciate musharraf.he did apolozies to bangaladesh for 1971 massacar on his last visit .well for post mortem its for the indian public to decide and it being good so far. as far the various cases and enquiry commissions r progressing.I accept that indian courts are agonisingly slow but they do justice ultimately.Now take example indira gandhi was killed in 1984 and her killers were hanged somewhere in 1997-98.if such is the progress of the cases of the prominent persons in courts then it gonna be different ball game for common ppls cases

[anjjan]

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@shivangi

my point is that everybody knows that gujrat govt fuled the roits.those were govt targeted killings.and indian ppl ,govt,enquiry commissions,courts media,etc accepts it.then y raking up the issue again and again.that too only by pakistan.

Shivangi, first of all, you people always forget geography. Godfhra comes before Gujarat.

Second…where did you find that indian ppl ,govt,enquiry commissions,courts media,etc accepts…that Gujarat Govt fuled the riots.

Your kinds of people are always very selective in picking up the information.

[anjjan]

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This news is in a bad taste. I can imagine how much it will be distorted further till it reaches Arab and Africa Muslims.
There is nothing important in the reports, but why this guy kept quite for two years? There is a design, or this guy is bribed.

Our former President Narayan also made some useless comments after retirement on Gujarat riots. Why he did nothing when her was enjoying his life at President House. At the most he had two options…sack the Vajpei Govt, or resign from the President Post in protest.
Money plays a big role.

[shivangi]

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@anjjan

QUOTE=shivangi]my point is that everybody knows that gujrat govt fuled the roits.those were govt targeted killings.and indian ppl ,govt,enquiry commissions,courts media,etc accepts it.then y raking up the issue again and again.that too only by pakistan.

Shivangi, first of all, you people always forget geography. Godfhra comes before Gujarat.

Second…where did you find that indian ppl ,govt,enquiry commissions,courts media,etc accepts…that Gujarat Govt fuled the riots.

Your kinds of people are always very selective in picking up the information.
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OK wats ur take on godhara train burning.give me ur version then i’ll answer u.

[vineshvk]

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@anjjan

Shivangi, first of all, you people always forget geography. Godfhra comes before Gujarat.

Second…where did you find that indian ppl ,govt,enquiry commissions,courts media,etc accepts…that Gujarat Govt fuled the riots.

Your kinds of people are always very selective in picking up the information.

Yes ofcourse riots came after Godhra.. then this justifies the killing.Why didnt the Modi govt. did nothing to safeguard the kar sevaks. If the govt. of Gujarat had acted fast they could have got all those people who did Godhra and put them up for trial. It took them days for them to act. And in the mean time allowed the riot to go on.

[anjjan]

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Vineshvk, you are absolutely right that Godhra or no Godhra, there is no justification for killings.

What is actually disturbing is that the day after Godhra the Indian media acted very passively. There was not a single editorial written on the incident. The semi educated media of India feels shame in writing anything that may show its softness for Hindus.

After came the bloodshed at Gujarat. The only fault of the Gujarat CM Modi is that he belongs to RSS or BJP. That is enough for our semi educated media and the so called intelligentsia to put all blames on him.

@shivangi

OK wats ur take on godhara train burning.give me ur version then i’ll answer u.

Shivangi, If your theory of Godhra burning is based on the reports of Lalu Yadav corridors, we have nothing to argue.

There is a great confusion created how the bogies got fire, further manipulated by our semi-educated media./
But on many occasions the eyewitnesses have confirmed that the train was surrounded by 1000+ Muslim people, who were chanting anti-Hindu slogans and pelting stones at the bogies under fire, as well as at the train…a fact which never suited our semi educated media and human right commissions.

[shivangi]

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@anjjan

Vineshvk, you are absolutely right that Godhra or no Godhra, there is no justification for killings.

What is actually disturbing is that the day after Godhra the Indian media acted very passively. There was not a single editorial written on the incident. The semi educated media of India feels shame in writing anything that may show its softness for Hindus.

After came the bloodshed at Gujarat. The only fault of the Gujarat CM Modi is that he belongs to RSS or BJP. That is enough for our semi educated media and the so called intelligentsia to put all blames on him.

Shivangi, If your theory of Godhra burning is based on the reports of Lalu Yadav corridors, we have nothing to argue.

There is a great confusion created how the bogies got fire, further manipulated by our semi-educated media./
But on many occasions the eyewitnesses have confirmed that the train was surrounded by 1000+ Muslim people, who were chanting anti-Hindu slogans and pelting stones at the bogies under fire, as well as at the train…a fact which never suited our semi educated media and human right commissions.

how sure u can be abt the religion of the men surrouding the train.there may be some but generalising as such is not good as in case of blaming all hindus for muslim pogrom in gujrat.one more thing u cant clap single handedly.if Laloos report is not fake then u shud also not trust the report prepared by the bjp govt in central and state level.now tell me wat prompted supreme court to shift all the roits cases out of gujrat.that goes on to show that even indian justice dept doesnt trust the gujrat govt.and its for every body to see.

[anjjan]

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Shivangi, I do not want to go into any controversial report, whether it is by BJP Govt or a creation of Lalu Yadav.

You can go thru many reports and can find that the eyewitnesses have confirmed on many occasions that the train halted some meters away from Godhra station was surrounded by 1000+ Muslim people from both sides.
What surety that they were Muslims…..they were shouting pro-Islamic slogans and pelting stones at the train.

You can go thru all the reports and at least this thing you will find common. Again I repeat that our semi-educated media does not like to read such reports, because for them being anti-Hindu is a sign of progressivism.
If the reports do not satisfy you, try to meet some eyewitnesses.

For rest, the cases are transferred from Gujarat…… you are right. There are interested parties who want to defend the culprits. It is a failure of the system.
(PS, Victims of 1984 riots are still waiting for justice., any idea, it has nothing to do with RSS or BJP.)

[vineshvk]

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Anjjan.. i for once dont like BJP and mixing religion (majority communalism or minority communalism) with politics. But I also think that the report Lallu came up is fabricated. and also some part the report of the BJP. What would have actually have happened would be something in between. The mob gathered might have pelted stones and in the panic that followed the train might have caught fire with some inflammable stuff that was lying around. There may be provocation for that also. But the mob had no right to throw stones at a passanger trian full of women and children.
Then we come to media.. Most of the papers showed this incident on the first pages. Yes ofcourse then what followed was also shown. The next day of Godhra..VHP and BJP declared a Bandh. Soon communal riots started. Did they , the news papers had anychance of showing Godhra properly. They should either cover the communal riot or cover Godhra. Godhra was a single incident of mob attack. But what followed was a rampent riots. What will the media do the whole Godhra then became just one part of a bigger plot.
So i think you are unfair in judging our media.

[vineshvk]

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@shivangi

how sure u can be abt the religion of the men surrouding the train.there may be some but generalising as such is not good as in case of blaming all hindus for muslim pogrom in gujrat.one more thing u cant clap single handedly.if Laloos report is not fake then u shud also not trust the report prepared by the bjp govt in central and state level.now tell me wat prompted supreme court to shift all the roits cases out of gujrat.that goes on to show that even indian justice dept doesnt trust the gujrat govt.and its for every body to see.

Well Supreme court was justified in shifting all cases outside.. as nobody with a fair mind will be able to believe that under Modi things will become better.
But then what did this Zahira girl say. She is changing her stance every second day. I dont understand what is she trying to prove. Now the judiciary looks stupid to have believed her.

[shivangi]

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watever had happened was not good but ppl keep on dragging.it can never be justified killing 2000 muslims for godhara killings.indians shoudnt deny it and pakis shudnt blame indians as its our internal matter.one word of advice for both

indian shudnt justify pogrom.or feel humiliated for wat has happened

now for pakis:stop this blame game.look to urself 1st before jumping on to others(refering to bangaladesh pogrom).and stop projecting urself as champion of indian muslims.1st stop being racist and put ur house in order

[Surya]

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Vinesh, the riots started two days after Godhra burning, after the victims were cremated. Probably you were not reading our national dailies at that time. The national English dailies had articles suggesting that the victims should be cremated in the night so that no bitterness spills over. Were they some criminals to be cremated in the silent of the night and why should bitterness be always swallowed by the majority. It was the local dailies who showed the photos of the burned and the dead and their family members, the national English dailies did not even bother to know who died. So the majority spilled out on the streets for three days until the army was recalled from the Kutch border.

Actually Modi had asked for the army to the Centre the day Godhra happened, but it was at the border because of the tension with Pakistan after the Dec -13 Parliament attack and some say the Godhra incident were caused just for this effect.

The riots of '69 were even bigger than this one, but at that time the Congress was ruling and there was no one else to blame so it was soon forgotten. But now they keep on bringing it again and again to milk the vote bank. And Gujarat shall always be a tinderbox because it is very communally polar, probably due to its past, the Chalukya resistance and the repeated destruction of Somnath temple, which the muslim invaders thought was the abode of Manat.