I’ve been noticing that whenever someone has an issue about Islam, or a question, they would automatically Google it, without finding out the source, what the author’s madhab or their point of view. And if they don’t like what they are looking for, in terms of an answer, then they would ask someone and finally when they get the answer they want, they are satisfied. (Hope you get what I mean, I tend to babble).
My issue is that unless you yourself are an Alim, Shaykh, Moulana, and have studied Fiqh, Madhabs, Seerah, etc, you shouldn’t be interpreting what you read (in terms of the verses of the Holy Qur’an, Ahadith, etc) yourself. It is very easy to change a verse to your liking.
Instead have complete faith in someone who has devoted their life in Islamic Studies and have them guide you on the Straight Path. And stick to one person to lead you to Jannah. Choose one madhab and adhere to it - and not pick and choose from each what you like. Allah SWT gave us great scholars - so please take full advantage of them.
Well then.. what's the point of having Qur'an as the ultimate guidance book when you need an Alim to tell you what it means? beats the entire purpose of Qur'an, doesn't it?
Admittedly those people who have done the ground work will be able to understand better, not that the others cannot understand, but rather their understanding will be less than the former group yet both levels of understanding are guidance for their respective owners.
Also, by going to people with knowledge we increase social interaction and spread goodness by doing so when we meet on terms such as understanding the Qur’an.
Although, I’m sure somebody will say this is a lie. HOwever, anybody can verify the verses for themselves using ANY translation (if you don’t speak Arabic). Thus, the question one must ask is, ‘Is word of GOD (Quran) correct, or Buhkari’s rumors said to be from the prophet?’.
alim wud be a person more knowlegable and learned than u. Allah has made seeking knowledge compulsory so that we are able to understand quran and this world that He made around us. if u do not understand something (quran is a book of many folds the more u read the more it opens its secrets upon u) u shd consult a learned person.
Well, GOD’s system never changes. So, if setting up religious scholars as infallible Lords by accepting blindly their ‘opinions’ was forbidden for Jews and Christians, why is it suddenly acceptable for Muslims?!
[Quran 9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD*. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners.
](Chapter 9, Ultimatum (Barã’ah) Footnotes)
The lies I am spreading!? I posted a link showing your ‘authentic’ hadiths, and the corresponding Quranic verses which they directly contradict…and you want to discuss the lies that I AM SPREADING?! Are you for real? Are you actually saying I’m spreading lies by TRUSTING THE WORD OF GOD (Quran)?! Perhaps I should ask you which pill you swallowed.
Here is the list of Hadith contradicting Quran verses for those who missed it.
If you do not like what the Quran says, in favor of fabricated hadiths, than your problem is with GOD, not me. I assure you, GOD will win.
are you allowed to disagree with the aalim on grounds that their interpretation is not in consistency with other verses of Quran? or you have no choice but to accept aalim’s word as the correct interpretation ?
are you allowed to disagree with the aalim on grounds that their interpretation is not in consistency with other verses of Quran? or you have no choice but to accept aalim's word as the correct interpretation ?
There are no contradictions in the Quran, only people's understanding. So, yes. The Quran overrides human opinion. Otherwise, you are setting up your Scholars as Lords beside GOD.
There are no contradictions in the Quran, only people's understanding. So, yes. The Quran overrides human opinion. Otherwise, you are setting up your Scholars as Lords beside GOD.
thats what im trying to hear from mr. psyah. Theres only so much a 'learned' scholar can understand about Islam and have knowledge of Quran. That question was directed to psyah actually. I already know what you have to say about it submitmj and im not disagreeing with you one bit.
Thing is, when anyone says that one has to go to an Aalim to understand Quran is somewhat bizarre concept to me. In-fact, the reason why there are sects in islam is due to the various interpretations different aalims are doing according to their own understandings. None would therefore say that they get this interpretation directly from Allah almighty. Each one will say its their way of understanding. If we as ordinary people had to turn to aalims to understand various matters of Islam , then why is there a need of a reformer/mujaddid/Imam Mahdi(AS)/Isa(AS) is beyond my understanding. If the aalims are doing pretty good job at spreading the word of Allah , then i see no reason whatsoever the need of anyone else to come from Allah. Either the future Imam Mahdi (AS) (whosoever He may be for you) interpret Quran and u follow His interpretation of Quran and the way He gets knowledge of Quran from Allah OR you follow the aalims as according to 'their understanding'. It is your own pick.
There are no contradictions in the Quran, only people's understanding. So, yes. The Quran overrides human opinion. Otherwise, you are setting up your Scholars as Lords beside GOD.
i guess what i meant was that if an aalim interpret one verse of Quran that has one or two words same as the other verses mentioned in Quran, and he interpret those verses with the same words differently, are we to blindly accept the interpretation that hes telling us to believe?
PS: i know the answer already submitmj, again, its the question for Mr.Psyah.
if u do not understand something (quran is a book of many folds the more u read the more it opens its secrets upon u) u shd consult a learned person.
learned person's job should only be to clear the misunderstanding and to tell the person what he understood of that verse. He has no right to make that interpretation to be the final verdict, since that knowledge that he is speaking with is not granted to him by Allah the almighty. If the person think he is right, he should by all means take that interpretation, provided that the explanation does not contradict with other verses of Quran. I.e: in one verse the meaning of one word being completely different than when used in other verse.
thats what im trying to hear from mr. psyah. Theres only so much a 'learned' scholar can understand about Islam and have knowledge of Quran. That question was directed to psyah actually. I already know what you have to say about it submitmj and im not disagreeing with you one bit.
Thing is, when anyone says that one has to go to an Aalim to understand Quran is somewhat bizarre concept to me. In-fact, the reason why there are sects in islam is due to the various interpretations different aalims are doing according to their own understandings. None would therefore say that they get this interpretation directly from Allah almighty. Each one will say its their way of understanding. If we as ordinary people had to turn to aalims to understand various matters of Islam , then why is there a need of a reformer/mujaddid/Imam Mahdi(AS)/Isa(AS) is beyond my understanding. If the aalims are doing pretty good job at spreading the word of Allah , then i see no reason whatsoever the need of anyone else to come from Allah. Either the future Imam Mahdi (AS) (whosoever He may be for you) interpret Quran and u follow His interpretation of Quran and the way He gets knowledge of Quran from Allah OR you follow the aalims as according to 'their understanding'. It is your own pick.
PS: that was the question to Mr.Psyah by the way.
Hence, I have no interest in reading hundreds of interpretations. Why one isn't enough?
Infact that’s exactly what we are warned against in the Quran. The method to understand that the Quran is in the Quran itself 3:7]. As many people have said the best Tafsir of the Quran is the Quran itself.
Here is a link of some of the rare people that I have seen adopt that method in recent times;
are you allowed to disagree with the aalim on grounds that their interpretation is not in consistency with other verses of Quran? or you have no choice but to accept aalim's word as the correct interpretation ?
I dont think an aalim sas that his understanding is perfect and one must accept it. However, if someone presents a distorted understanding of a verses, others have ever right to challenge him, the distorterer (if there is an such word) shud not expect that he should not be challenged.
B the wa whats the role of Khalifa in interpretation of Quran, are you allowed to disagree with him?
I dont think an aalim sas that his understanding is perfect and one must accept it. However, if someone presents a distorted understanding of a verses, others have ever right to challenge him, the distorterer (if there is an such word) shud not expect that he should not be challenged.
the basic translation or interpretation of Quran would be the same whomsoever does it. However, the verses which draws line between sects need to be understood by someone who gets knowledge from Allah, someone Allah talks to. Once someone claims thats hes sent from Allah (Imam Mahdi AS, as you're waiting for)..and He interprets the verses and tell the Muslim ummah the meaning of it, there should not be any doubt in any one's mind that it can be wrong. Sure, it can be challenged..but the mere challenging of those verses should not be a hint of it being right or wrong. They should actually be challenged and proven wrong.
Aalim or someone from Allah. It is up to us to know wat to follow.
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One should understand the role of Khalifa first. The role of Khilaafat is to carry forward the message given to a prophet, spreading the word.. and following the footstep of the prophet of whom they're Khalifa of. A Khalifa would not interpret Quran and have a different understanding of it than the prophet did.
A student will always follow the method of his teacher..and ofcourse teacher has to be right or else he wouldnt be a teacher in the first place. A student can make mistake, but he tries not to because he knows the method/answer of his teacher.
I dont think an aalim sas that his understanding is perfect and one must accept it.
where then is an ordinary person like you or me suppose to go if the way he understood Quran is not perfect and that its not obligatory to accept it? keep switching aalims ?
