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and you are best judge with great comprehension skills, let me know where I can send your certificate.
ok yaar....i am not in mood of argument.
peace
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ok great..so you just agreed with me....
i completely agree with you....
and what it means that Khan sahib was wrong in his multi-year theorem that drone attacks are the main reason why these talibans attack us...as you said drones or no drones these animals would have attacked us anyways.....and People like Imran khan and fazul rehman and PMLN gave legitmacy to these taliban by hiding them under drone attacks
IK is NOT God and neither is Nawaz or anyone else. anyone can be wrong on one issue and right on 100 other issues.
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IK is NOT God and neither is Nawaz or anyone else. anyone can be wrong on one issue and right on 100 other issues.
I am not saying IK is god....all i am saying that he was wrong throughout on taliban issue for many many years.....do you know that his whole party and supporters had to adjust their ant-taliban stand just because Khan was pro-taliban.....
and he did divide masses on this very important issue as he had a reasonable following
It does raise a question on his leadership quality though....he is stubborn and egoistic. we are seeing it again on container these days...Nawaz resign karo....while his whole party is busy in negotiation and trying to get a good deal but he is stuck on one demand
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I am sure IK will address that question when he has more time.
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I am sure IK will address that question when he has more time.
I am waiting!
and you shd wait too...........
it will be a long wait though...................just sayin!
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I am not saying IK is god....all i am saying that he was wrong throughout on taliban issue for many many years.....do you know that his whole party and supporters had to adjust their ant-taliban stand just because Khan was pro-taliban.....
and he did divide masses on this very important issue as he had a reasonable following
It does raise a question on his leadership quality though....he is stubborn and egoistic. we are seeing it again on container these days...Nawaz resign karo....while his whole party is busy in negotiation and trying to get a good deal but he is stuck on one demand
ok. so, you think Nawaz isn't ziddi? it was his zidd and bewaqoofii that he was kicked out twice and he is sitting on the third pile of explosives. he is one of the worst ziddi politicians i have ever known about.
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You are writing as if it was due to PTI that Pakistan did not start military operation against Taliban, when fact is that, it was not PTI but PMLN that was holding military operation against Taliban, else operation would have started much before election (when PTI was not even in parliament).
So, it was not PTI alone who wanted no action against Taliban, Thug Nawaz and PMLN are equally guilty, rather more than PTI, as it was due to not antagonizing Nawaz who Zardari feared, PPP (especially Zardari) did not go for military operation against Taliban, even when most PPP parliamentarians, ANP and MQM were for military operation. Kyani and Choor Iftikhar, both on payroll of Thug Nawaz, also played negative role in creating hindrance for military operation against Taliban just to make their pay-master Nawaz happy.
Another fact is that, even when army started military operation against Taliban, it was army’s own initiative against the wishes of PMLN government … and one can find plenty of evidences to conclude that.
Let look into some background reports and see who were responsible of not starting military operation against Taliban.
Report below clearly talks about PMLN responsible of no military action against Taliban making people ask what PMLN intend to negotiate.
The paradox of Taliban peace talks
The paradox of Taliban peace talks
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Conventional wisdom claims that it is not always wise to take up arms to end armed conflicts; nonetheless, negotiations will only be the best way to cope with growing tensions when both parties have the will to participate in peace building*
Since taking power last June, the PML-N has shown chronic political ambiguity and ambivalence when dealing with the issue of whether to hold talks with or take firm military action against the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). The PTI can also be put in the same political framework as the PML-N. Both have vacillated on the TTP issue. In a recent press conference at the PTI Secretariat in Islamabad, Imran ‘anti-drone strike’ Khan divulged that his party and the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government’s inability to initiate dialogue with the TTP was due to absence of authority from the Centre and a lack of power over the security services. Naively, he threw the Taliban talks ball in the PML-N’s court, urging them to call for another All Parties Conference (APC).
Another report on same issue. Opposition wants army action against Taliban - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Actually throughout PPP government, PTI but specially PMLN were anti-military operation against Taliban … and Zardari, weak at his ankle and empty brain, fearful of PMLN, always agreed with PML-N even though most in PPP along with ANP and MQM were asking for military operation against Taliban.
If anyone reads the article below (published just after election, in June 2013), one would find both PTI and PML-N together when it comes to not using operation against Taliban and rely only on negotiation.
Viewpointonline - Viewpointonline
Category: ColumnNews
Published: Thursday, 13 June 2013 20:43
Written by Foqia Sadiq Khan
Negotiations are about give and take. They are about arriving at compromises. What are the compromises that the PTI and PML-N would be in a position to make?
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Looking deeper into the negotiations, one needs to understand how the actual process would unfold. Both the leading political parties PTI and PML-N have long been in favour of negotiations with the Taliban. Now, they are beholden to their own cultivated narrative on the policy of negotiation. So, negotiate they must, but on what terms and conditions? The centre-right PML-N is pragmatist, while the PTI favours a whole-hearted far right policy. Despite its policy of negotiations, PML-N makes muted voices over terrorism and is cognizant of the need to block external funding of Taliban. Both** the PTI and the PML-N are **opposed to drone attacks. The bottom line is: what is it that they going to negotiate on?
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ok. so, you think Nawaz isn't ziddi? it was his zidd and bewaqoofii that he was kicked out twice and he is sitting on the third pile of explosives. he is one of the worst ziddi politicians i have ever known about.
of course nawaz is ziddi and foolish as well....but we all know that
the change agent was Imran...hope was imran....and i am commenting on him.
Nawaz is history and does not deserve my time.........that is all
Good news go Pak Army
It should be safe now for sharifs and others to Bering back their money.
No?
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do you guys really think that the TTP problem is over in Pakistan? sadly and unfortunately, i don't think so. if military power was the answer/solution, the Americans, with their military might and sophisticated weaponry, would have solved the problem a long time ago. they could not do what they set out to do...what does that mean? it means Talibans can NOT be defeated by military actions alone.
what i think is that there has either been a deal between the army and the Taliban or, when squeezed like a balloon, they popped up on the other side of the Pakistan-AfGhanistan border.
they are waiting for the big game after the US leaves the area. it's just a lull in the fighting to rearm, reorganize and regroup.
I think, if army is sincere than TTP problem is over. If they would raise their head again, it would be much easier now to crush it.
As for comparing Pakistan army with American army when dealing with Taliban problem, then that would be not only unfair, but ignorance too, as both have different chemistry.
Pakistan army is much more suited to deal with Taliban, as Pakistan army is of the area and also understand Physiology of these terrorists (Taliban). Area of operation was difficult for American forces, but is backyard for Pakistan armed forces. And most important thing is that, Taliban can find local, ethnic, national and religious support when fighting Americans, but could not find local, ethnic, national, and religious support fighting with Pakistan army.
Plus, it is easy to get financial support locally for Taliban when fighting Americans ... but when fighting Pakistan armed forces, it would be difficult for them to get financial support too.
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Are you a RAW Agent!
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no Presidente’…i’m your agente’ 
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Great news if the perception about Pakistan is changing in Europe, earlier this year i got same views in Malaysia, where they were positive about the initiative govt/army have taken and were certain that after that if talk fails, Taliban shall be crushed... at that time however it is what they were thinking with many ifs and buts... today, we can say that operation have limited their capacity to strike, it has been long time they have managed to strike as they are known for...
If someone can put some sense if IK's head to end his meaning less dharna, then i am sure, huge investment both on larger and medium level shall be heading towards Pakistan, where the Malaysian and Asia-Pacific investors are more interested in developing small ( 10-15 MW) hydro power plants in AJK, Gilgit Baltistan region...
let us hope for the best, as this news is no good news for arch rival of Pakistan and we can see one jumping up and down in this very thread.
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OK...
this is another topic i feel really emotional about...and wanted to open a thread but didnt get a chance so thx yazdi
*disclaimer: Our agencies, religious organizations and past govts played a key role in cultivating this fitna called taliban ... history will always remember their negative role but having said that i am going to comment on last few years when this fitna was in full form and imran's role in it * This man Khan should apologize to pakistani awam and his party for creating so much trouble and providing wrong strategic input on taliban issue and failing to correct himself even when he was proved wrong again and again
for years this man khan kept on telling us that the drone attacks are solely responsible for terrorism...he even did a drone march, took thousands to KPK, blocked the nato supply, also blocked all important intra-province roads and by the way in the mean process destroyed economy of the province where his own party was in power...yai aqal hai khan shaib kee
anyway, USA then stopped the drones attacks and that too for a very long time...but guess what, these animals talibans did not stop their attacks on innocent Pakistanis and on our army jawans for one single day...they became even more rebellious, attacked karachi airport, peshawar airport and killed many innocent civilians and our soldiers throughout the country
but Imran sahib ko koi shram na ayee and he never apologized for his pathetic stand and kept yelling drones drones drones
this man told us for years that we shd negotiate with these animals called talibans...he scared us that if our army conducts operation against them they will destroy pakistan...he told us that majority of taliban are peace loving Pakistanis..even called bait ullah mahsood our own people....
and we then started to negotiate with these animals....and guess what, those animals nominated this man Khan as a key negotiator to represent taliban...lol..
anyway, taliban continued to attack Pakistanis while we were negotiating with them..
but Khan ko shaaram na ayee...and he never apologized for another wrong stand
and then our aarmy started the operation...alhamdo lillah, allah ka lakh lakh shukar hai that these animals are being defeated....no more bomb blasts and suicide attaacks in our country
and yesterday, talibans announced that they will stop attacks in pakistan...why? because our army has weakened them and broken their backbone
Imran...aab to koi sharam karo....you shd apolgize to the whole nation that you were terribly wrong all these years...you divided the nation on this topcic..you embarrassed your own party
If you talk to someone responsible in Chaklala, you will get the inside story. The strategy was to split TTP into the Indian sponsored main organization and other regional hard liners who were not against the state of Pakistan but against policy on war on terror. As talks began this year, the TTP did split and weakened, fights broke out within, that resulted in desperate attack on Karachi airport to show their strength. The rift in ranks lead to killing of mastermind Adnan, as ground intellegence got a chance to penetrate into the organization that helped finding whereabouts of top leadership. Fazalullah and his cronies are tracked all the way to Kunar, Afghanistan. Prior to January this year, the main problem was lack of intellegence as many informers and locals were beheaded by TTP monsters. I believe military played it very sensible and now going after one target to another with solid information and results. You will hear more success stories in coming months, as a trench is dug along Balochistan/Afghan border and the jammers are placed so the only option to carry out any attack is either use Int'l line from Afghanistan or let remaining scattered terrorists to do small attacks and get destroyed. The main communication network that was operated from Miran Shah is no more.
IK was not acting alone, but establishment had its own plan for the talks and it worked. Now, come winter, we would know how effective is the blockade on Afghan border to prevent any further reorganization of TTP inside Pakistan.
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KKF, seriously, you think it's not over. Fine. you don't have to keep repeating the same thing again and again.
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If you talk to someone responsible in Chaklala, you will get the inside story. The strategy was to split TTP into the Indian sponsored main organization and other regional hard liners who were not against the state of Pakistan but against policy on war on terror. As talks began this year, the TTP did split and weakened, fights broke out within, that resulted in desperate attack on Karachi airport to show their strength. The rift in ranks lead to killing of mastermind Adnan, as ground intellegence got a chance to penetrate into the organization that helped finding whereabouts of top leadership. Fazalullah and his cronies are tracked all the way to Kunar, Afghanistan. Prior to January this year, the main problem was lack of intellegence as many informers and locals were beheaded by TTP monsters. I believe military played it very sensible and now going after one target to another with solid information and results. You will hear more success stories in coming months, as a trench is dug along Balochistan/Afghan border and the jammers are placed so the only option to carry out any attack is either use Int'l line from Afghanistan or let remaining scattered terrorists to do small attacks and get destroyed. The main communication network that was operated from Miran Shah is no more.
IK was not acting alone, but establishment had its own plan for the talks and it worked. Now, come winter, we would know how effective is the blockade on Afghan border to prevent any further reorganization of TTP inside Pakistan.
thx...interesting update
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Yar please. This is extremely unfair that your are blaming whole, in fact any Taliban problem on Imran. Yes he proposed negotiation, but he had zero role in the fitna that is known as talban.
Seriously, what you say chawwalian / raptain which is going on here.
I live in the states and granted that I am not a "businessman" yet, but I can tell you that Pakistan's image above anything else is not out of the gutter. No cricket teams visit the country and the dockyard attempt wasn't a good image booster.
It is more like raigistani parinda propanda...
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If you talk to someone responsible in Chaklala, you will get the inside story. The strategy was to split TTP into the Indian sponsored main organization and other regional hard liners who were not against the state of Pakistan but against policy on war on terror. As talks began this year, the TTP did split and weakened, fights broke out within, that resulted in desperate attack on Karachi airport to show their strength. The rift in ranks lead to killing of mastermind Adnan, as ground intellegence got a chance to penetrate into the organization that helped finding whereabouts of top leadership. Fazalullah and his cronies are tracked all the way to Kunar, Afghanistan. Prior to January this year, the main problem was lack of intellegence as many informers and locals were beheaded by TTP monsters. I believe military played it very sensible and now going after one target to another with solid information and results. You will hear more success stories in coming months, as a trench is dug along Balochistan/Afghan border and the jammers are placed so the only option to carry out any attack is either use Int'l line from Afghanistan or let remaining scattered terrorists to do small attacks and get destroyed. The main communication network that was operated from Miran Shah is no more.
IK was not acting alone, but establishment had its own plan for the talks and it worked. Now, come winter, we would know how effective is the blockade on Afghan border to prevent any further reorganization of TTP inside Pakistan.
Too sophisticated to be pulled off by usual incompetent people in Pakistan but lets see how the future grades your predictions.