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Ultimate authority is Allah(SWT) and than Sunnah Of Holy Prophet(SAW).
As i mentioned three times before IF PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SAW)
has mentioned something its the RULE. And the hadith that were quoted
before is Saheeh.
So solara, ahmde, can write and say all you want.
A question was asked and answer was given.
And anybody who challenges the Sunnah is not on the right track.

Agr sachee baat karwe lagte he tu COKE pelooo.

take care
p.s i am even getting hateful private messages.
keep it up !

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Indeed in the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow’

[al-Ahzaab 33:21].”.

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YUSUFALI: Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
PICKTHAL: Verily in the messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembereth Allah much.
SHAKIR: Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.

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YUSUFALI: "And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'".
PICKTHAL: And when I inspired the disciples, (saying): Believe in Me and in My messenger, they said: We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered (unto Thee) "we are muslims".
SHAKIR: And when I revealed to the disciples, saying, Believe in Me and My messenger, they said: We believe and bear witness that we submit (ourselves).

i am posting these Ayats again..

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Faisal, i understand where you coming from but if that is the case, Muslims should not pray 5 times, Muslims should not do Vadoo( the way it should be done ), muslims should not pay zakkat muslims should not keep 30 rozaz.. NONE OF THAT is told in quran, along with so many other things. If a Muslims starts questioning the authencity of every single ahdiath out there, then he should simply not consider anything that he does as a muslim. Almost 80% of the things that a typical muslim does in his life are based on those same so called -Authentic/Unauthentic Ahaddees.

From another point of view, A muslim who believes in certain Ahdiath and then says some other Ahditah ( Specially if it is from sihah-sitta) are not authentic, then I will call that person a big time hypocrite. Believing in some of the Ahdiath that one like and not believing in the ones that you dont like is just bunch of none sense. Allah Hum sab muslmanoun ko aisa kernaye saye Bachaye.

BTW, I fink you just wanted to repay back Aahmed for taking yourside, which you indeed did. Its sad to see that people like him just quote specifically that stuff from Quran that that only serves their purpose. Just adding my 2 cents.

Ma’Salaam
-Salman

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by kewlsolara: *

On gupshup rehman1 is the ultimate authority even Allah has to admit it.

aahmed and faisal ahve given very valid and reasonable coments but because*rehman1* thinks that he knows the islam better than every other muslim on the forums so no matter what you say he never agrees.

But its not his problem, its the way he is brought up, to not to listen to other people's point of view and just try to impose your views on them.

Unfortunately we have alot of other muslims like him who have blocked their ears from the positve feedback and who do not have enough wisdom to think and answer logicallyand who just want to tell you that you are always wrong and they are always right.

And its people like him, who have made our beautiful religion so hard for everyone to understand and to actupon.

Allah "please give a bit of wisdom to these people to atleast think in a broader way so they can see the both aspect of human life"
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well, instead of replying or addressing the questions, your Addressing
me. so here is my relpy.

The Example of the Hypocrites

Allah likened the hypocrites when they bought deviation with guidance, thus acquiring utter blindness, to the example of a person who started a fire. When the fire was lit, and illumnitated the surrounding area, the person benefited from it and felt safe. Then the fire was suddenly extinguished. Therefore, total darkness covered this person, and he became unable to see anything or find his way out of it. Further, this person could not hear or speak and became so blind that even if there were light, he would not be able to see. This is why he cannot return to the state that he was in before this happened to him. Such is the case with the hypocrites who preferred misguidance over guidance, deviation over righteousness. This parable indicates that the hypocrites first believed, then disbelieved, just as Allah stated in other parts of the Qur'an.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by aahmed: *
Rehman, how did I insult the Prophet? Secondly, if you read carefully, I know it's hard for you, but try, I didn't say that I am new to Islam, I said "is this how you treat people new to Islam" and then followed it wil "consider me an illiterate".

Lastly, I know we are supposed to follow the messenger, however, if the messenger is supposedly saying something that is not in the Quran, does that not mean that the supposed narration is untrue, because the Prophet could only teach from the Quran, he was not allowed to add to it. Just look at it logically.

Finally, you need to cool your jets, no body is insulting you or Islam or the messenger. Just because I don't agree with your views doesn't mean that I am being insulting. You need to use your head more than your emotions, getting so emotional is going to be the downfall of all the 'muslims' who refuse to stop and think but go on the aggressive at the smallest hint of opposition.
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YUSUFALI: A similar (favour have ye already received) in that We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, rehearsing to you Our Signs, and sanctifying you, and instructing you in Scripture and Wisdom, and in new knowledge.
PICKTHAL: Even as We have sent unto you a messenger from among you, who reciteth unto you Our revelations and causeth you to grow, and teacheth you the Scripture and wisdom, and teacheth you that which ye knew not.
SHAKIR: Even as We have sent among you a Messenger from among you who recites to you Our communications and purifies you and teaches you the Book and the wisdom and teaches you that which you did not know.

Part of Tafsir:

Muhammad's Prophecy is a Great Bounty from Allah

Allah reminds His believing servants with what He has endowed them with by sending Muhammad as a Messenger to them, reciting to them Allah's clear Ayat and purifying and cleansing them from the worst types of behavior, the ills of the souls and the acts of Jahiliyyah (pre-Islamic era). The Messenger also takes them away from the darkness (of disbelief) to the light (of faith) and teaches them the Book, the Qur'an, and the Hikmah (i.e., the wisdom), which is his Sunnah. He also teaches them what they knew not. During the time of Jahiliyyah, they used to utter foolish statements. Later on, and with the blessing of the Prophet's Message and the goodness of his prophecy, they were elevated to the status of the Awliya' (loyal friends of Allah) and the rank of the scholars. Hence, they acquired the deepest knowledge among the people, the most pious hearts, and the most truthful tongues

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If there is no further proof from within the Qur'an of the prohibiiton of wearing Gold or Silk.. then i suggest the thread be closed as it will just end up in off topic ego battles.

When a present act of ours doesn't meet The Criterion.. Al-Furqan, the Holy Book ALL Muslims believe in and accept as the true word of God, without divisions and sectarianism, then that very act is up for scrutiny and re-evalutaion, not the Holy Book.

We can be wrong in our current actions.. the Holy Book (as per our belief) cannot. Afterall look at where Muslims are today.. divided and weakened, arguing on idiotic matters like wearing gold, silk or how long to keep facial hair... while other nations have grown and progressed. The only reason I see is that we have abandoned the Book of Allah.. which makes things clear.. we don't need to rely on other books to explain it.. that's bordering on blasphemy to think the Qur'an needs other books to explain it, those who desert it will fall prey to the Evil One.

[25:27] The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!
[25:28] "Ah! woe is me! Would that I had never taken such a one for a friend!
[25:29] "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man!"
[25:30] Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
If there is no further proof from within the Qur'an of the prohibiiton of wearing Gold or Silk.. then i suggest the thread be closed as it will just end up in off topic ego battles.

When a present act of ours doesn't meet The Criterion.. Al-Furqan, the Holy Book ALL Muslims believe in and accept as the true word of God, without divisions and sectarianism, then that very act is up for scrutiny and re-evalutaion, not the Holy Book.

We can be wrong in our current actions.. the Holy Book (as per our belief) cannot. Afterall look at where Muslims are today.. divided and weakened, arguing on idiotic matters like wearing gold, silk or how long to keep facial hair... while other nations have grown and progressed. The only reason I see is that we have abandoned the Book of Allah.. which makes things clear.. we don't need to rely on other books to explain it.. that's bordering on blasphemy to think the Qur'an needs other books to explain it, those who desert it will fall prey to the Evil One.

[25:27] The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!
[25:28] "Ah! woe is me! Would that I had never taken such a one for a friend!
[25:29] "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man!"
[25:30] Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."
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If a person doesnot believe in Koran and Sunnah, he or she is a KAFIR.
kafir, kafir, kafir.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
If there is no further proof from within the Qur'an of the prohibiiton of wearing Gold or Silk.. then i suggest the thread be closed as it will just end up in off topic ego battles.

When a present act of ours doesn't meet The Criterion.. Al-Furqan, the Holy Book ALL Muslims believe in and accept as the true word of God, without divisions and sectarianism, then that very act is up for scrutiny and re-evalutaion, not the Holy Book.

We can be wrong in our current actions.. the Holy Book (as per our belief) cannot. Afterall look at where Muslims are today.. divided and weakened, arguing on idiotic matters like wearing gold, silk or how long to keep facial hair... while other nations have grown and progressed. The only reason I see is that we have abandoned the Book of Allah.. which makes things clear.. we don't need to rely on other books to explain it.. that's bordering on blasphemy to think the Qur'an needs other books to explain it, those who desert it will fall prey to the Evil One.

[25:27] The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!
[25:28] "Ah! woe is me! Would that I had never taken such a one for a friend!
[25:29] "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man!"
[25:30] Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."
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That which has been Revealed to us

Abu Khaliyl

Allaah (T) said (what means):

«Say: “We believe in Allaah, and in what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibraaheem, Ismaa‘eel, Ishaaq, Ya‘qoob, and the Tribes, and what was given to Moosaa, and ‘Eesaa, and the prophets from their Lord. We do not separate between anyone of them, and we are Muslims (submitting to Him)”.» (Aal ‘Imraan 3:84)

How often have we heard this aayah quoted to show that Muslims believe in all of the prophets? Let us look at it in connection with the aayah that directly follows it (what means):

«And whoever pursues other than Islaam for his religion, then it will never be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.» (Aal ‘Imraan 3:85)

Let us examine the obvious statements put forward it this passage of the Qur’aan:

  1. Allaah has addressed a group of people, commanding them to “Say” something. These people are the Muslims as is clear from the end of the passage.

  2. He (T) has clarified that the statement in question is a matter of faith, starting with, «...We believe in Allaah...»

  3. The following part of the statement, «...and in what has been revealed to us...» must be properly understood. Some people mistakenly limit “what has been revealed” to the Qur’aan alone. However, as we shall see, the remainder of the passage in question does not allow that interpretation.

  4. «...And what was revealed to Ibraaheem...» that is, we believe in it too. There is no problem here, for Allaah has referred to «...The Suhuf of Ibraaheem...» (al-A‘laa 87:18) and it is easy for everyone to believe that Allaah revealed a Book to him (S).

  5. «...And Ismaa‘eel, Ishaaq, Ya‘qoob, and the Tribes.» Here is where the problem occurs. If «...and in what has been revealed to us...» refers to the Qur’aan only, then what are the names of the Books that Allaah revealed to «...Ismaa‘eel, Ishaaq, Ya‘qoob, and the Tribes.» ?

  6. «... And what was given to Moosaa, and ‘Eesaa, and the prophets from their Lord...» Here again why did Allaah use the term prophets, if it refers only to those who have already been mentioned?

  7. «...We do not separate between anyone of them, and we are Muslims (submitting to Him)”.» We do not separate between what?

«...what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibraaheem, Ismaa‘eel, Ishaaq, Ya‘qoob, and the Tribes, and what was given to Moosaa, and ‘Eesaa, and the prophets from their Lord...» (Aal ‘Imraan 3:84)

Does this mean only that we acknowledge that they existed? No! As we see at the beginning of the statement, we must believe in Allaah, what has been revealed to us, and what has been revealed to all of the Prophets, whether that is a Book, or anything else that Allaah revealed to them.
What Did Allaah Reveal to Ismaa‘eel, Ishaaq, Ya‘qoob, the Tribes, and the Prophets?

Let us look at what Nooh (S) said to his people before Allaah destroyed them:

«I have conveyed to you the Message of my Lord...» (Al-A‘raaf 7:62)

And the saying of Prophet Hood (S) to his people before Allaah destroyed them:

«I have conveyed to you the Message of my Lord...» (Al-A‘raaf 7:68)

And look at the claim of the followers of the Prophet Saalih (S):

«...We do indeed believe in that with which he (Saalih) has been sent.» (Al-A‘raaf 7:75)

When he left his people, before Allaah destroyed them, Saalih told them:

«O my people, I did indeed convey to you the Message for which I was sent by my Lord, I gave you good counsel, but you do not like good counsellors!» (Al-A‘raaf 7:79)

But what Books did these prophets receive? What were the names of the Books that their peoples were destroyed for rejecting?

In each case mentioned, the prophets are telling their people that they have conveyed the Message of Allaah to them and advised them. Even though Allaah did not reveal specific books to these prophets, yet He commanded them to convey His revelation to them; and their rejection and disobedience to the commands of Allaah's messengers was the very reason for their destruction.

Also, Allaah said: «That was Our proof that We gave to Ibraaheem against his people. We raise whom We will by degrees, for your Lord is Wise, Knowing. We gave him Ishaaq, and Ya‘qoob - all We guided. And before him, We guided Nooh, and among his offspring Daawood, Sulaymaan, Ayyoob, Yoosuf, Moosaa and Haaroon; in this way We reward the doers of good. And Zakariyyaa, Yahyaa, ‘Eesaa, and Ilyaas - all were among the righteous. And Ismaa‘eel, il-Yasa‘, Yoonus and Loot, and We favored all of them above all men and jinn. And among their fathers, families and brothers, We chose them and guided them to the straight path. This is Allaah's guidance, He gives it to whomever He wills among His servants. If they were to join partners with Him, all that they did would be in vain. These were the men to whom We gave the Book, the Hukm (judgement), and Prophethood...» (Al-An‘aam 6:83-89)

Allaah mentions 19 prophets here, then He says «These were the men to whom We gave the Book, the Hukm (judgement), and Prophethood» Look also at the covenant that Allaah took with these prophets:

«Based on what I have given you from the Book and the Wisdom (Hikmah), when a Messenger will come to you confirming what is with you, you must believe in him and render him help...» (Aal ‘Imraan 3:81)

And look at the prayer of Ibraaheem and Ishaaq:

«Our Lord! send among them a messenger of their own, reciting Your signs to them, and instructing them in the Book and the Wisdom...» (Al-Baqarah 2:129)

And look at what Allaah said to the people during the time of Muhammad (S):

«We have sent among you a Messenger of your own, reciting Our signs to you, purifying you, and teaching you the Book and the Wisdom, and that which you did not know. Then remember Me - I will remember you. Be grateful to Me - and do not disbelieve.» (Al-Baqarah 2:151)

Here Allaah has told us to be grateful for what He has revealed to us! That is the Book and the Wisdom, and that is the Qur’aan and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (S)!

Now if we review the aayah above:

«Say: “We believe in Allaah, in what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibraaheem, Ismaa‘eel, Ishaaq, Ya‘qoob, and the Tribes, and what was given to Moosaa, ‘Eesaa, and the prophets from their Lord. We do not separate between anyone of them, and we are Muslims (submitting to Him)”.» (Aal ‘Imraan 3:84)

We can now see that:

  1. We are commanded to declare our faith in what has been revealed to us, and that is the Qur’aan and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah (S).

  2. Likewise, we have been commanded to believe in all of the revelation given to each prophet before Muhammad (S), whether that was from the Book, the Wisdom, or any miracles.

  3. Furthermore, not only did Allaah command us to “Say” we believe in the above, but He (T) followed that by saying:

«And whoever pursues other than Islaam for his religion, then it will never be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers.» (Aal ‘Imraan 3:85)

Thus He (T) is indicating that these beliefs are part of the religion of Islaam, and are required for one to be a Muslim. This is why the verdict of disbelief is passed upon those who deny the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allaah, like Rashad Khalifa, and others who claim that all of the religion is found in the Qur’aan alone. Clearly these aayaat of the Qur’aan prove the error of such falsehood.

Let all who deny the Sunnah of the Messenger, whom Allaah sent to them, reflect upon the fate described in the Qur’aan for the peoples who also denied what their messengers delivered. Indeed, even without a Book, the messenger must be obeyed; otherwise the people are destroyed. In this light there should be less speculation as to why the Muslims are in such a poor condition as they are.

I would like to add here jahanam unke leye JO hadith ke munkir he.
Lanat.

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Ok rehman1, you are right, I am wrong, I'm a kafir destined for hell, happy?

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
If there is no further proof from within the Qur'an of the prohibiiton of wearing Gold or Silk.. then i suggest the thread be closed as it will just end up in off topic ego battles.

When a present act of ours doesn't meet The Criterion.. Al-Furqan, the Holy Book ALL Muslims believe in and accept as the true word of God, without divisions and sectarianism, then that very act is up for scrutiny and re-evalutaion, not the Holy Book.

We can be wrong in our current actions.. the Holy Book (as per our belief) cannot. Afterall look at where Muslims are today.. divided and weakened, arguing on idiotic matters like wearing gold, silk or how long to keep facial hair... while other nations have grown and progressed. The only reason I see is that we have abandoned the Book of Allah.. which makes things clear.. we don't need to rely on other books to explain it.. that's bordering on blasphemy to think the Qur'an needs other books to explain it, those who desert it will fall prey to the Evil One.

[25:27] The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!
[25:28] "Ah! woe is me! Would that I had never taken such a one for a friend!
[25:29] "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man!"
[25:30] Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."
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Yeap, Jis shaks kaye liye ye duniya saath jahaan banaye gaye give no importance to him ... Pakistani Abroad.. mind telling me why you pray 5 times... a day ? why not 3 times ? mind telling me how you know the exact ammount of Zakkat to pay? Just curious.... Nothing else... I am really looking forward to hear from you .... Be precise at telling me which procedure do you follow pray how do you know about those rakkats ? and MANY OTHER THINGS.... Dig out Quran and let me know where it tells you how to pray. ok ? I will be waiting.....
-Salman

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I'll quote a great guppie from this thread:

[QUOTE]
Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
**If there is no further proof from within the Qur'an of the prohibiiton of wearing Gold or Silk.. then i suggest the thread be closed as it will just end up in off topic ego battles.*
[/quote]

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Jis shaks kaye liye ye duniya saath jahaan banaye gaye ...
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SalmanNY what have you been reading?? (don't tell me I know already)... suffice to say ask anyone who knows Islam better than you.. this is presumably an Indo-Pak theory .. the Universe and all creatures were only created to worship the Lord Almighty Allah.. Prophets are just facilitators.

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Dig out Quran..
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Let's not belittle the Holy Book.. if Allah says he explained everything in detail within the Qur'an.. it's good enough for me.

Once again.. no proof of prohibition of Gold and Silk from Qur'an.. No deal.. believe all you want.. to each their own.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
If there is no further proof from within the Qur'an of the prohibiiton of wearing Gold or Silk.. then i suggest the thread be closed as it will just end up in off topic ego battles.

When a present act of ours doesn't meet The Criterion.. Al-Furqan, the Holy Book ALL Muslims believe in and accept as the true word of God, without divisions and sectarianism, then that very act is up for scrutiny and re-evalutaion, not the Holy Book.

We can be wrong in our current actions.. the Holy Book (as per our belief) cannot. Afterall look at where Muslims are today.. divided and weakened, arguing on idiotic matters like wearing gold, silk or how long to keep facial hair... while other nations have grown and progressed. The only reason I see is that we have abandoned the Book of Allah.. which makes things clear.. we don't need to rely on other books to explain it.. that's bordering on blasphemy to think the Qur'an needs other books to explain it, those who desert it will fall prey to the Evil One.

[25:27] The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!
[25:28] "Ah! woe is me! Would that I had never taken such a one for a friend!
[25:29] "He did lead me astray from the Message (of Allah) after it had come to me! Ah! the Evil One is but a traitor to man!"
[25:30] Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."
[/QUOTE]

How the Disbelievers mocked the Messenger

Allah tells us how the disbelievers mocked the Messenger when they saw him. This is like the Ayah,

(And when the disbelievers see you, they take you not except for mockery) (21:36), which means that they tried to find faults and shortcomings in him. Here Allah says:

(And when they see you, they treat you only in mockery (saying): "Is this the one whom Allah has sent as a Messenger'') i.e., they said this by way of belittling and trying to undermine him, so Allah put them in their place, and said:

(And indeed Messengers before you were mocked at) (6:10)

(He would have nearly misled us from our gods,) They meant: `he nearly turned us away from worshipping idols, and he would have done so, had we not been patient and persevered in our ways.' So Allah said, warning and threatening them:

(And they will know, when they see the torment...)

They took Their Desires as their gods and were more astray than CattleThen Allah tells His Prophet that if Allah decrees that someone will be misguided and wretched, then no one can guide him except Allah, glory be to HimHave you seen him who has taken as his god his own vain desire) meaning, whatever he admires and sees as good in his own desires becomes his religion and his way. As Allah saysIs he then, to whom the evil of his deeds is made fair seeming. So that he consider it as good. Verily, Allah sends astray whom he wills.) 35:8
Would you then be a guardian over him) Ibn `Abbas said: "During the Jahiliyyah, a man would worship a white rock for a while, then if he saw another that looked better, he would worship that and leave the first.'' Then Allah said
Or do you think that most of them hear or understand) meaning, they are worse than grazing cattle. Cattle only do what they were created to do, but these people were created to worship Allah Alone without associating partners with Him, but they worship others with Him, even though evidence has been established against them and Messengers have been sent to them

Al-FUrqan. part of tafsir

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YUSUFALI: The Day that the wrong-doer will bite at his hands, he will say, "Oh! would that I had taken a (straight) path with the Messenger!
PICKTHAL: On the day when the wrong-doer gnaweth his hands, he will say: Ah, would that I had chosen a way together with the messenger (of Allah)!
SHAKIR: And the day when the unjust one shall bite his hands saying: O! would that I had taken a way with the Messenger

Also read introduction of Al-Furqan:
I am posting part of it to save bandwidth.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/maududi/mau25.html

The Surah deals with the doubts and objections that were being raised against the Qur’an, the Prophethood of Muhammad (Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him) and his teachings by the disbelievers of Makkah. Appropriate answers to each and every objection have been given and the people have been warned of the consequences of rejecting the Truth.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
I'll quote a great guppie from this thread:

SalmanNY what have you been reading?? (don't tell me I know already)... suffice to say ask anyone who knows Islam better than you.. this is presumably an Indo-Pak theory .. the Universe and all creatures were only created to worship the Lord Almighty Allah.. Prophets are just facilitators.

Let's not belittle the Holy Book.. if Allah says he explained everything in detail within the Qur'an.. it's good enough for me.

Once again.. no proof of prohibition of Gold and Silk from Qur'an.. No deal.. believe all you want.. to each their own.
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And (remember) the Day when the wrongdoer will bite at his hands, he will say: "O! Would that I had taken a path with the Messenger.'') Here Allah tells us of the regret felt by the wrongdoer who rejected the path of the Messenger and what he brought from Allah of clear truth concerning which there is no doubt, and followed another path. When the Day of Resurrection comes, he will feel regret but his regret will avail him nothing, and he will bite on his hands in sorrow and grief. Whether this Ayah was revealed concerning Uqbah bin Abi Muit or someone else among the doomed, it applies to every wrongdoer, as Allah says:

(On the Day when their faces will be turned over in the Fire) as mentioned in those two Ayat [33:66] Every wrongdoer will feel the ultimate regret on the Day of Resurrection, and will bite at his hands, saying:

(O! Would that I had taken a path with the Messenger. Ah! Woe to me! Would that I had never taken so-and-so as an intimate friend!) meaning, the one among the propagators of misguidance who diverted him from true guidance and led him to follow the path of misguidance, whether this refers to Umayyah bin Khalaf or his brother Ubayy bin Khalaf, or to someone else.

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*Allah says: Say (0 Muhammad to mankind): If you love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Qur 'an 3:31) *

In this Ayah, Allah (swt) has commanded the Muslims to follow the example of the Prophet (saw).

*Allah says: And we have revealed unto you the Remembrance (the Qur'an) so that you may explain to mankind that which has been revealed for them, and that perhaps they may reflect. (Qur'an 16:44) *

In this Ayah, the explanation of the Qur’an is one of the Prophet’s (saw) duties; not just delivering the Qur’an like a postman. The Prophet (saw) had to deliver the Qur’an, explain it and show by personally implementing it.

*Allah showed great kindness to the believers whom He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them and purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surat al- Imran, 164) *

“ teach them the Book” means teaching of the Qur’an
“teach them Wisdom” means teaching of the Sunnah

*Allah says: But no, by thy Lord, they can have no (real) faith until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction. (Qur'an 4:65) *

In this Ayah, Allah (swt) tells that a true believer must accept the prophet's decisions whole-heartedly

*Allah says: Verily in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example for him who looks unto Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much. (Qur’an 33:2]) *

In this Ayah, Allah (swt) tells the Muslims that Muhammad (pbuh) is the only example for true Muslims

*Allah says: And whatsoever the messenger gives you, take it; And whatsoever he forbids, abstain (from it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal. (Qur'an 59:7) *

In this Ayah, Allah commands us to do as the prophet (pbuh) says. And the Prophet (saw) has the RIGHT to 'give' and RIGHT TO 'forbid'!

So it is Imperative on all Muslims to follow the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saw)

Abu Hurairah (r.a.) reported that the messenger of Allah said, "Everyone of my followers will enter Paradise except those who refused." He was asked: And who has refused? He said, "Whoever obeys me will enter Paradise, and whoever disobeys me has refused." (Bukhari)

Those who disobey the prophet (pbuh) have refused Paradise!

Some angels came to the prophet (pbuh) and said: Whoever obeyed Muhammad has indeed obeyed Allah; and whoever disobeyed Muhammad (pbuh) has disobeyed Allah. And Muhammad is a distinguisher among men. (Bukhari)

Whoever disobeyed Muhammad has disobeyed Allah!

*lbn Umar (r.a.) narrated: The prophet (pbuh) wore a gold ring and then the people followed him and wore gold rings too. Then the prophet (pbuh) said, "I had this golden ring made for myself. He then threw it away and said, "I shall never put it on." Thereupon the people also threw away their rings. (Bukhari) *

The Prophet's (saw) Companions did exactly as they saw Him doing (may Allah be pleased with all of them)

*Abdullah ibn Abbas reported that the Messenger of Allah saw a ring of gold on the hand of a man. He snatched it and threw it away and said, "Someone of you was verging on the smoke of the Fire and put it on his hand." When the Messenger of Allah departed, the man was told, "Take your ring and profit by it." He said, "No! By Allah, I shall never take it again after the Messenger of Allah threw it away." (Muslim) *

The Companion (May Allah be pleased with him) dared not pick up a thing that the Prophet (pbuh) disliked!

*Jaber (r.a.) reported that one day, the Messenger of Allah put on a gown of embroidered silk that was presented to him. Then he took it off very soon, and sent it to Umar (r.a.). He was asked, "0 Messenger of Allah, why did you take it off so soon?" He said to me, "Jibreel forbade me that." Umar came to him weeping and said, "0 Messenger of Allah, you disliked a thing and gave it to me. What then is the matter with me?" He said, "I did not give it to you to wear it. Surely I gave it to you to sell it." So he sold it for two thousand dirhams. (Muslim) *

Hadrat Umar (r.a.) wept at the thought of wearing what the prophet (pbuh) disliked

*Ibn Mas'ud reported that Allah's messenger (pbuh) said: There was never a prophet whom Allah raised among his people before me but he had in his Ummah his disciples and his companions who held fast to his Sunnah and followed his command. Then they were succeeded by people who professed what they did not act upon, and acted upon what they were not commanded to do.
He who strove hard against them with his hand is a believer;
and he who strove hard with his tongue is a believer;
and he who strove hard with his heart is a believer;
but beyond that there is not even a mustard seed of faith. (Muslim) *

Make not the calling of the messenger among you as your calling one of another. Allah knows those of you who steal away, hiding themselves. And let those who conspire to evade orders beware lest grief or painful punishment befall them. 24:63

*Allah showed great kindness to the believers whom He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them and purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surat al- Imran, 164) *

No devout Muslim would ever dare to go against the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah, but it is regrettable to note that some of the liberal elite tend to raise the slogan that the Book of God (i.e. the Qur'an) is enough and that there is no need at all for the Sunnah of the Prophet, may the peace and blessings of God be upon him. Slogans like this are raised mainly by people who want to get rid of the Sharee'ah completely.

The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, himself was well-aware that such ill-natured opinions would arise and hence gave a clear warning of this as reported by Al-Miqdam ibn Ma'di Karib, one of his Companions: *"I have indeed been given the Qur'an and something similar to it besides it. Yet, the time will come wh en a man leaning on his couch will say, 'Follow the Qur'an only; what you find in it as halaal, take it as halaal, and what you find in it as haraam, take it as haraam.' But truly, what the Messenger of God has forbidden is like what God has forbidden." * (Reported by Abu Dawud and Darimi.)

"Similar besides it (the Qur'an)" means the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw).

I think above should be very apparent for everyone that wearing of Gold and Silk has been "off the limits" since the time of the Prophet (saw).

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PA it is one thing to question the authenticity of some ahadiths and quite another to totally disregard them. In my opinion is completely irresponsible. One can argue that if you followed sunnah you will be following quran. Also, please explain where did you learn how to say namaz? From ahdiths right? Why do you believe in those? Just because or is there a logical reason behind it. Dont take it the wrong way, I am just trying to understand your logic (if its not in Quran, it does not exist).

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PA it is one thing to question the authenticity of some ahadiths and quite another to totally disregard them. In my opinion is completely irresponsible. One can argue that if you followed sunnah you will be following quran. Also, please explain where did you learn how to say namaz? From ahdiths right? Why do you believe in those? Just because or is there a logical reason behind it. Dont take it the wrong way, I am just trying to understand your logic (if its not in Quran, it does not exist).
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Kaleem all laws start from the Qur'an.. had the Qur'an mentioned a prohibition on Gold, i'd say people who go in search of hadiths to 'explain' this commandment are doing their due diligence to try and understand and establish some kind of perspective.. When such a command doesn't even exist in the Qur'an and further verses as quoted by aahmed reduce the possibliity of such an order, it's counterproductive opening another avenue of 'law'.. what next.. everything you can lay your hands on which has ever been passed by some scholars as 'words of Prophet' becomes law?? and whose law does it become?? Sunnis have their own hadiths which their scholars vouch for.. Shias outrightly reject majority compilers of Sunnis as hypocrites and liars and have their own corpse.. who decides which is the right Islam..

My brothers in Islam.. forgive me if I sound like a 'goli bechnay vala on an omnibus' but it's time we all came together under one thing that binds us.. one Book which we ALL believe to be uncorrupted and the word of God.. that Book doesn't have a prohibition on Gold or silk.. obey other laws and mandates at your own peril

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Lets start with you first… i will quote above mentioned Ibn-Sadique Ayaat From Quran-al Hakeem.

“Make not the calling of the messenger among you as your calling one of another. Allah knows those of you who steal away, hiding themselves. And let those who conspire to evade orders beware lest grief or painful punishment befall them”. 24:63

Use :saw: mentioning Prophets Mohammads :saw: if you are muslim.

PA, Basically you did not even bothered to read the Ayaats from Quran that Ibn-e-Sadique quoted ? What is the first one in his post can you tell me what it states? May be i am too Ignorant to get the message. I would like you to explain it for me.. Thanx. Much appreciated.
Is it true that you dont believe in any of the hadiath ? I came to know from quite a few people here on gupistan? If thats the case I will never bother you with any of the questions,relating islam…

-Salman

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
I'll quote a great guppie from this thread:

SalmanNY what have you been reading?? (don't tell me I know already)... suffice to say ask anyone who knows Islam better than you.. this is presumably an Indo-Pak theory .. the Universe and all creatures were only created to worship the Lord Almighty Allah.. Prophets are just facilitators.

Let's not belittle the Holy Book.. if Allah says he explained everything in detail within the Qur'an.. it's good enough for me.

Once again.. no proof of prohibition of Gold and Silk from Qur'an.. No deal.. believe all you want.. to each their own.
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You never answered my question.. how do you pay zakkat ? how do you pray? what is your procedure of prayinig according to Quran can you tell me please ? How does quran tell you say Namaaz ?... I would love to know from you...
-Salman

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PA After having answered Salmany's queries in the above post please refer to the Ayah below where Allah (swt) has commanded the Prophet (saw) to teach the BOOK (Qur'an) and WISDOM (Hikmah) to the people.

I would like to know as to what do you understand by the word 'Wisdom'?

Allah showed great kindness to the believers whom He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them and purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surat al- Imran, 164)

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and whose law does it become?? Sunnis have their own hadiths which their scholars vouch for.. Shias outrightly reject majority compilers of Sunnis as hypocrites and liars and have their own corpse.. who decides which is the right Islam..

My brothers in Islam.. forgive me if I sound like a 'goli bechnay vala on an omnibus' but it's time we all came together under one thing that binds us.. one Book which we ALL believe to be uncorrupted and the word of God
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We have problem here too! Shia have there 'own' Tafsir (Interpretation) handed down to them by their respected Imams (ra); Ahlul Sunnah have their own Tafseer - linked to Hadith and Sunnah of the Prophet (saw) as practiced by the Companions (raa).

And you sir, may have your own version of the Tafseer of the Qur'an.

I hope you understand the dilemma.