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Pehlay behas karnay kay liya danda lay kay aati ho…Jab behas hoti hai, to Phopli Aapa ki tarha moon bana kay tanz karti ho…
Tanz kiyun marti ho bhai…Suboot aur sources lay kay aao…Yeh kia keh jahan thorhi argument hui, aur Bibi Ji ka tanz shuroo…Haan haan, main to nikkami hoon, naalaaiq hoon, ganwaar hoon, mujhay kia pata main to naaqis aqal hoon…
Abay…Yeh kia hai bhai?
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That’s true. We have left ALLAH:swt: in our mosques and on our prayer rug. He is out of our lives already.
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^ so true..he is not some people's lives but sitting on a throne in heaven
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He:swt: is in our lives if we remember Him in every passing moments of life and follow His commands. Arguing over whereabouts of Him does not mean anything. He:swt: is all powerful, supreme and can be present at any time any where. Time and Place are His creations and they are dependent on Him, not vice versa.
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Hmmmmmmmm....you guys are just too much.... i was talking about just a simple innocent thought ....... well i came to know of many many things through this thread.....
and i agree with Seminole and Thenewwanna be........... i dont know why people have made islam so HARD .. and ....STRICT .... qadam yahan rakha tou jannat ...wahan rakha tou jahannum....
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^
Yeh Shahadat Gah-e-Ulfat maiN Qadam Rakhnaa hai
Log AasaaN samajhtaY haiN MusalmaaN honaa
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yeah Anwaar sahab... sher se agar sab sabit hona shuru ho jay tou duniya hi badal jay...... i think of God as someone very loving...bas thats all and HE is everywhere....and i dont want to know anythign else...
and sharabi what a comment by such a good muslim like yourself... hai na
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that is true. He is Raheem, Ghafoor, Shakir, etc.
But all His attributes are present in Him at all time, so He is Qahar, Jabbar. etc. too. Don’t we wish to ignore the facts our hearts feel the fear of?
If we only take Raheem, Kareem, types of attributes, then we are also indulging ourselves to the same mistakes dictated by shaitaan to our christians brothers.
Wallaho Saree’-ul-Hisaab
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Allah says... mujhay jaisa socho gay waisa pao gay.......
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I will appreciate a reference from Quran or even from a Saheeh Hadeeth.
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anyway, I understand what you are trying to say and do not want to create a new unnecessary direction of the thread.
Will just share a part of a hadeeth and :insha: will end my argument from my side:
Prophet:saw: said: “Ehsan is to worship (and serve) Allah as if you see Him, and if you do not see Him, know that He sees you”.
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*This post is just for muslims…
والصلاة والسلام على خير الأنام النبي الكريم خاتم النبيين محمد بن عبدالله
u should remember that u are bounded together by the ties of Islam before and above anything…
we should present the real image of the islamic teachings… not the misformed one by our fancies or pushed by our shiateen…
we all (except for some) started attaking each other for we did not like the other’s points or we did not understand it …
if u think u r right then just tell about what u have… and u should know we are muslims and nothing else, and for us muslims we do not get the facts related to Islam from our thoughts and opinions, if that was the case then why did Allah revealed his everlasting miracle"Al Qura’an Al Kareem"… for dicoration (like some others)…
About knowing Allah…
first of all did we ask our selves: what is Allah??
He is the only “Qadeem”(=old, eternal), the only everlasting, the only complete, and when we say comlete we mean everything, we mean the infinity in in all of his powers and “Sefat”..
And what are we???
we are just a merely creatures of that infinite being, what are we trying to reveal the form and doings of Allah with??
with our far-from-complete minds… yes they do have a “great” imaginations, but even these imaginations are limited by the things that they have from previous experiences… for esample:
how many dimentions do we know in this world are?.. three or four ( accordin to Einestine)… can we “imagine” more than these four???(don not involve the theories of other worlds and universes, I am talking about one world)
another thing is: the “time”, can anyone bear the idea of no time= no past no present no future???.. if we can not “imagine” this creature how can we form an image of the one who created this creature?the who does not need the “time” to exist with…?
and lastly, can we imagine a mini car to take in all of the people on this planet???
… yes we can, but… can it happen??
so we can not form an image for the infinite Allah, because our minds are limited.
but!!!
we are humans we can not help but to think of the existence of Allah… so what should we do???
we muslims have “OUR OWN” ways of knowing Allah… we can not engage our limited thinking directly in this matter, but we still have something to rely on, we have the everlasting miracle “AL QURA’AN AL KAREEM”, our lightined way to the hereafter through this life and its hardships.
Allah did not send us the Qura’an for show or memento “like some others who did this”… Allah sent it to us so that it is the judge that will resolve what troubles us…
one of these things is the being of Allah… as I said above :we can not decide about mattes related to the infinite Allah becaus of our limited thinking. which means: any trial from our incomplete selves to border the being of Allah is not allowed and is considered as an insult to Allah, because in the end we will relate every thing about him to something we have in our minds directly or indirectly… so we end up assimulating Allah to one of his creatures… and that is the disaster…
but Allah is the most merciful the omniscient knows what troubles we will face so he gave us some stars to meditate on but not to try to cacth it or else it will burn us…
said Allah :“The Most Beneficent (Allah) Istawa (rose over) the (Mighty) Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty).”
what do we understand from this ayah??
litteraly: Allah rose over his throne.
what should we do?
we must believe in what is revealed in the Qura’an, but in this case (the being of Allah) the ayah is talking about Allah not about any creature, it is not talking about anything we know, so, we just believe COMPLETELY in this ayha, we do not descuss what it meant, what is the nature?, where or when this event is happening, because we can not contain this great knowledge, so we sit still.
said Allah:" So put not forward similitudes for Allah (as there is nothing similar to Him, nor He resembles anything). Truly! Allah knows and you know not. "
about the presence of Allah:
what do u mean by this statement…
if u mean :
-the presence of Allah throughout his limitless power and his limitless knowledge… then u r correct.
-the physical presence by any way or mean… here we stop and say nothing because we did not recieve any sign about this from either Allah or his best last prophet Mohammed .
**regarding the main subject:
I do feel Allah’s presence every day… because when any thing happens to me I revise what I have done that day, And I can feel Allah’s hand rewarsing or punishing me for my deed… and to be puished now is much much much better than the another time
miss Barbie: I am sorry for the streching and hope u find something useful in my post:)
wa al salam ala man ettaba’a al huda
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No one here is saying that the tree is God, but that ALlah can be in the tree, in us, and on in his throne all at once bc he is the omnipotent, the all powerful. That is one of his attributes. You have to believe in that to believe in him. Therefore u cant worship the tree, bc the tree is not God, and no here is saying that it is.
Hindus and other idolaters believe that their idols are a form of god, or that they are a means to reach to him. Which is totally different from what some poeple here are saying. ANd by saying that some muslims believe in God's attributes that are in the Quran (i.e. Omnipotentness) and other muslims dont, is saying that some muslims believe that Gods attributes in the Quran are true and others dont, which means they are rejecting Quran, which is the word of Allah, and that means they are rejecting Allah. So plz be careful of what u say, bc to belliev in ALlah u have to believe in all his names, which are all his attributes.
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In the Quran it is said
We created man and We [even] know the promptings of his mind. We are closer to him than his life (jugular) vein. (Qaaf 50: 16)
He is more near to you then you know it, yet also very far at the same time. This surely is not impossible to believe. Since, even though he is the most merciful, and we can not hope for more mercy from ne one else, we also fear his punishment, which is the worst. It would be going against the attributes of Allah to believe that he cant be at multiple places at once. What about the event when Mosa (AS) saw a bit of him on the mountain, do u think ALlah had to leave his throne to come there? or that when he was with him, he coudln’t be ne where else? like I said, that would go against the belief of omnipotentness.
here is also an article which is really great for ne one thats interested, its not too long either. Understanding Islam - Explaining Islam in Light of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad
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"Hindus and other idolaters believe that their idols are a form of god, or that they are a means to reach to him."
No they don't...wherever did you get this silliness..oh from the sands of arabia..thoroughly insecure, forever paranoid... Hindus ddon't think the idols are the gods. THey are a conduit to god. Like a tree, like yourself...
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^ For ur kind information I got it from religions classes. And by the way, plz read again. and read the whole thing. I did not say that hindus believe that their idols are a form of God. I know they use it to reach them to reach god, which is what I have said in my above statement as well. I have tried not to make the link directly, as their r too many idolatry religions, and i didnt want to go into detail. AND by the way HIndus do believe that cows and snakes are forms of God, not the stone ones, the real ones.
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Hindus ddon't think the idols are the gods. THey are a conduit to god. Like a tree, like yourself...
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PD,
Would you care to elaborate? What do you believe and what does the average Hindu believe about idols? What do you mean they are a conduit to god?
regards,
bob
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You sure thats not just your belief? I doubt the average hindu has such a philosophical belief.