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its true though - religious people swallow down all kinds of unbelievable idiocy as long as it is said with some holy words in it.
When someone generalizes acts of few to abuse the whole population then it only shows the stupidity of that person. Stereotyping anyone is dumb. For example, someone can say that every Bharatiya drinks cow urine. Even though this may be true for some Bharatiyay but not everyone.
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i think you are getting desperate now and clutching at straws pal. and good example - the “bharatiya” or whatever that is drinking cow urine is doing it for his or her gods out of blind faith. like you think einstein proved professor has no brains. 
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i think you are getting desperate now and clutching at straws pal. and good example -
Why would I be getting desperate? lol.
It is you who is doing the stereotyping which is associated with dumbness.
And if you did not like the Bharatiya drinking cow urine then change it with any other generalization example. I can give you some some more related to your Bharati ilk. But then it will only upset you further.
So try to understand the point and don't ask too much.
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pal i dont have issues with your cow urine example. i just don't think "Bharatiya" is even grammatically correct, but then you aren't hindi-speaking.
anyway, those that swallow dogma down with no questions asked - this includes cow urine drinkers as well as creationists. and how they will believe in fantastic things as long as a holy man says it, but if it is something from science, they will demand proof which they aren't qualified or trained to comprehend.
i hope it clears matters up for you, khoji pal.
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anyway, those that swallow dogma down with no questions asked -
Not everyone believing in God does this. This is a generalization from you. And anyone doing generalization, whether based on belief, sex, or origin; shows his own naivety.
And I don't care about Hindi grammar as long as it sends the message. :)
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Not everyone believing in God does this.
wrong again, pal. anyone who believes in a supernatural being is doing so blindly. and hence is already made the leap of faith into personal dogma that can not be proven objectively.
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This is a very naive argument. You are lying if you say that you will accept Him if he just shows Himself up. And his valid proof of existence is there. The only way you can disprove it is through your belief in His nonexistence.
BTW, I have seen that when people become too specific in their nicks then they are usually lying. "SaeedinPakistan"?!
So what is the valid proof of his existence and what am i lying about?
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Proof of existence is what we have been discussing in the last pages. If you don't know about it then you are wasting our time by randomly jumping in the discussion.
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what am i lying about?
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Do you have reading comprehension problem?
"You are lying if you say that you will accept Him if he just shows Himself up. "
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yes proof like einstein and professors brain. kya bakwas hai..
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wrong again, pal. anyone who believes in a supernatural being is doing so blindly.
That is not the discussion at this moment. I was talking about stereotyping and this is why:
queer:
"naive religious people will believe any fake spam on the interwebs".
That is a clear case stereotyping from a naive atheist from Bharat.
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Peace SaeedinPakistan
These questions are for a different topic, **I hope moderators will cut off your question and my response to make a new thread ...
Titled: "Problems with the Islamic faith"
**Q1) You ask whether you should believe that Muslims should be better than other people when they clearly are not - by extension you say that Muslims are sanctioned by Allah to rape and murder.
A1) There is no rape or murder sanctioned by Allah (SWT) ... Muslims are not better either. Yes, our ideal (we believe) is best ... but that does not mean WE are better ... The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said in his final sermon "No Arab superior to a non-Arab and vice-verse, no white superior to a black and vice-versa, except by his conduct"
Q2) Are women a source of fitnah? Will there be more of them in hell?
A2) We don't know if there will be more in hell ... the particular reference is when Hz. Muhammad (SAW) saw a glimpse of hell - when on the night journey and saw on that instance many women ... those who were not grateful to their husbands ... It was related to the people to encourage the women to spend in the way of Allah (SWT) ... despite there being fewer burdens of duty on them. Are women a source of fitnah?
Fitnah is not a bad word ... The Prophet Yusuf (AS) was a fitnah for the women of his time - and the Potiphar's wife also saw him (AS) as a fitnah - one where she was going to be betray her morals just to be with him ... Fitnah means (test or trial) ... Also, children are fitnah in another way ... wealth is a fitnah in another way ... women are a fitnah because our softness for them can make us close to bending our morals in order to please them ... By being aware of this we can be prepared for this ...
Q3) How do I explain more women in hell given they have free will ...
A3) This has already been explained, but the reality is more women are born and women live longer on average - throughout the history of mankind that all adds up ... free will has nothing to do with it.
Q4) Are they designed to commit more sins? That's unfair.
A4) No, they are given less religious responsibilities because they have other factors to contend with - in the long run every individual is assessed individually - his or her potential to sin is compared against their societal influence, i.e. their upbringing, also their capabilities to understand and their sincere efforts to be good are taken to account before a sin is given is payment.
Q5) How do you explain the mysogyny in Islam?
A5) It is just a way of accomodating but capping a natural human tendency ... The stress on a monogomous marriage far outweighs the acceptability of multiple wives, and to show how unfair - extra-marital affairs are - Islam binds any consideration of further relationships to be restricted within the marriage framework - giving the women rights over their husband, that girl friends would otherwise not have ...
Q6) Are women allowed to make their own decisions?
A6) Yes they are ... unfortunately many men think they are not allowed to make their own decisions ... Remember Islam says there is "no complusion in faith" ... and there is a type of etiquette expected in marriage where wife should be dutiful to her husband, but he should be caring to her - or else he should not expect her to be dutiful.
Q7) Are women allowed to go out alone without a mahram?
A7) Yes they are, but it is no advisable for them to go too far for their safety ... it is because we do not trust some dodgy men who may take advantage of them. Just imagine the Queen saying that she wants to go to Nigeria for a weekend break, and she jumps on a plane and travels there herself ... not only will she be hampered with carrying her own bags, dealing with the bribes herself but she will have to make every arrangement herself and at the same time be careful for not being taken away ... Should we not treat our women like royalty? Of course, the can go out themselves ... but they will do so willingly against the advice. I personally disagree with regimes that make non-mahram travel a punishable crime ... it is not a punishable crime - It is not even a crime in that sense - it is merely good advice.
Q8) What makes men better than women?
A8) I think with my last answer - you should be asking "what makes women better than men?" Answer - nothing - we each have different roles to play in society.
Q9) When are all the murtids going to be killed?
A9) A person can exercise his free will and renounce his faith ... not a problem ... but in an Islamic country where Islam is promoted any person preaching against Islam is doing treason ... Treason is still a major crime in most tribunals around the world punishable by death ... or at least extradition ... Since we have this option - the better thing to do with such people is to throw them to a country that will take them - otherwise convince them to remain silent in their disbelief i.e. not to preach against Islam becoming an enemy to Islam in which case they can remain and enjoy the protection from the state. At no point should harm come to them.
What about the stoning to death for married fornicators. Is the punishment proportional to the crime?
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yes proof like einstein and professors brain. kya bakwas hai..
The thread did not start from that story.
I wonder if your fault has to do with you being an atheist or you being a Bharatiya who can't resist to come to a Pakistani forum. Why don't you go to a Bharati forum and preach your own ilk?
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well someone needs to edumacate you, pal. think of it as daawa. i'm just securing my place in absurd atheist heaven, nomesayn?
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Proof of existence is what we have been discussing in the last pages. If you don't know about it then you are wasting our time by randomly jumping in the discussion.
Do you have reading comprehension problem? "You are lying if you say that you will accept Him if he just shows Himself up. "
Yeah jumpy vision. God is punishing me.
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well someone needs to edumacate you, pal. think of it as daawa. i'm just securing my place in absurd atheist heaven, nomesayn
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^ What the heck is that mumbo jumbo? Are you drinking or did you write it while taking a pi**?
Now go and edit your post first.
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y u so mad, khoji? are all religious people so angry? 
time to try some atheist meditation and find inner happiness. 
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God is punishing me.
I can see that.
You lie when you say that you will accept Him if He shows up.
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Who said I am religious? 
“Atheist meditation”? I wonder why you didn’t bring yoga meditation in discussion. 
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I can see that.
You lie when you say that you will accept Him if He shows up.
I'd try to accept him.
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well i would recommend yoga but if you do it, you might become a very happy and flexible bharitya when done, running after cows when thirsty etc. i wouldn’t do that to you pal. 