Sholay, pls do not lie!
As per Quran, non-believer is the one who rejects the Ayats.
And I am here to study Islam. What is the result of learning we know in day to day killings on the name of sacred religion.
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Who is a non-believer as per Quran? Can a true Muslim have peace with a non-believers?
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In literal sense, a non-believer is one who was told of God's guidance and he did not believe it.
Muslims can be at peace with any community. Quran does orders the muslims not to take christians and jews "as your protectors". It doesn't mean muslims have to be constantly at war with them. Infact, many jewish tribes co-existed peacefully in Medina alongwith muslims, when Prophet established an Islamic state.
What if a non-believer wanted to believe but didn't have enough faith?
What if they had faith, and the teachings of Islam disturbed their faith?
What if they lost faith?
What then?
Could Islam give them answers to enlighten their faith?
Or could just plain and simple faith give them that?
Yahudi
And how many other world religions and manmade sects have killed in the name of religion since the beginning of creation?
I thought as much.
Getting back to your initial point at the beginning of the thread, yes Muslims are superior to non Muslims. The Qur'aan testifies to this. As you are studying the Qur'aan, you can have the pleasure of disclosing this ayat which confirms this notion.
If you are struggling, please let me know.
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Muslims are superior to non Muslims. The Qur'aan testifies to this.
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Jews are superior to non Jews. The Torah testififes to this.
Christians are superior to non Christians. The Bible testifies to this.
etc.
etc.
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....yes Muslims are superior to non Muslims....
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Only when they follow Quran and Prophet Mohammed PBUH not by calling themselves Muslims and do whatever their hearts desire. Even those who follow Quran and Prophet will not be spared punishment if they commit sins... being Muslim does not necessarily guarantee "no punishment".
And "superior" should not be taken as in IQ or anything other than "faith". its just faith and righteousness which takes you closer to God and not your good/bad/intelligent/dumb being.
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Jews are superior to non Jews. The Torah testififes to this.
Christians are superior to non Christians. The Bible testifies to this.
etc.
etc.
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I'm not sure if I am right about source, but Torah (after amendments) also allows Jews to treat non-Jews as "slaves" or "lower caste" etc, allowing them to cheat non-Jews etc.
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I'm not sure if I am right about source, but Torah (after amendments) also allows Jews to treat non-Jews as "slaves" or "lower caste" etc, allowing them to cheat non-Jews etc.
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Well, there you go. A self righteous follower of any religion can claim superiority. To anyone else it's a load of crap.
Seminole
I think Changez Like has summed it up very well in line with the context of being the best of creatures (superior) if you want to call it that.
Additionally, believers of the mono faiths during their periods were the best compared to the infidels as they had the Divine Scriptures in their original formats to back up their claim.
But now that is not the case. No current scripture except the Qur'aan is in it's original format, therefore nullifying any claim by it's predecessors. And when the Qur'aan came into existence it superceded all previous scriptures and finalised the family of scriptures.
Therefore, not any Tom, Dick or Harry can claim being the best of creatures.
Before you contest, it would be wise to remember the challenge of the Qur'aan.
Or maybe Yahudi should.
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Therefore, not any Tom, Dick or Harry can claim being the best of creatures.
Before you contest, it would be wise to remember the challenge of the Qur'aan.
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And before you claim exclusive righteousness and the best of all creatures, you should remember that many non-Muslims believe Muahmmed to be a false prophet and the Quran to be nothing more than a ripoff of their own sacred scriptures. So your claim of superiority rings as hollow to them as theirs does to you.
Seminole
If people honestly do believe that the Qur'aan is a rip off from their scriptures, then they can meet the challenge of the Qur'aan, including you as I do somewhat suspect that you also fall into this category.
Just as a reminder, the challenge is nothing too great. Just the production of 1 surah (4 short sentences). Can't be that difficult now can it.
Bear in mind that the challenge has only been in place for 1400 years or so and to date remains unmet by the best of mankind and Jinn.
Until such time the challenge is met, Muslims can claim on being the best.
It's hard for non muslims to comprehend, but as Kurt Angle would say, "it's TRUE".
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Until such time the challenge is met, Muslims can claim on being the best.
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Other faiths have their own challenges, their own claims to righteousness. Usually it is only the intolerant among those that claim such superiority. I personally find it arrogant and foolish for anyone of any faith to make that claim. It breeds contempt, intolerance and violence.
nope seminole no such challenge for you. Only wait till you die, then you won't be able to contact us but you will find out the ultimate truth.
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nope seminole no such challenge for you. Only wait till you die, then you won't be able to contact us but you will find out the ultimate truth.
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Don't worry about me, I'm comfortable in my beliefs. We all will be faced with the truth when we die.
Seminole
If making such claims is so bad in your eyes, what would you say to God who actually ordered the claims in his Divine Revelations?
And do please enlighten us on the other Faiths challenges to all mankind.
Your faith is your faith. Your Divine Revelations are your Divine Revelations. Your truth is your truth. I have my own as do others.
Mine do not follow any one book line by line. Spirituality and God to me are not limited to a book revealed to a distant culture centuries ago where the followers will not accpet a modern interpretation. I'm of the belief that there are many paths to God. So I don't expect you to understand or respect my beliefs.
I just have a problem with people claiming "best of all creatures" or "superior above all others". Even if someone believes that I, don't think they should say it to others. Let God be the judge.
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I'm of the belief that there are many paths to God.
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Would you please elaborate these paths? Thanks!!!
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I just have a problem with people claiming "best of all creatures" or "superior above all others". Even if someone believes that I, don't think they should say it to others. Let God be the judge.
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Well, it doesn't say that "best OF ALL CREATURES". it just says best. and only says superior, not superior above all others. Here's the text you are refering to.
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Therefore, not any Tom, Dick or Harry can claim being the best of creatures.
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And for yahudi:
Non believer has not been used as a precise term in the Quran. Non believer- i guess it would be appropriate to use the word “Disbeliever” is not only who rejects the ayats but there are various issues by whom he can be recognized as a disbeliever. For instance, rejecting Day of Judgement can also be identified as a disbeliever. And as per your understanding, you need to use your common sense in order to understand that.
Apart from that, whoever does not believe in islam is a non believer in islamic terminology!
(Thanks to Paaga| |nsaanfor helping me out)
Quran, the last and true scripture, the word of God.
Let us read once again the language used for the inferiors.
And had We willed, We would surely have elevated him therewith but he clung to the earth and followed his own vain desire. So his description is the description of a dog: if you drive him away, he lolls his tongue out, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls his tongue out. Such is the description of the people who reject Our Ayat. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect. (7:176)
hey mr.yahudi…
You better reply to my statement. Everytime you post, you post a question. You better learn how to reply…cuz everybody here is replying to you but you never do, leaving a doubt in others’ minds about your ability of focusing your mind to a topic instead of just posting questions…huh:nahnah: