Islam is a religion of peace only for Muslims or for all communities?
Quran says that a Muslim must not kill a Muslim. But if by mistake a Muslim has killed a Muslim, there is a chance for repentance. This Muslim must free a Muslim slave.
What? A Muslim slave is superior to a non-Muslim slave?
And off course there is no problem if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim. (By mistake or knowingly.)
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**And off course there is no problem if a Muslim kills a non-Muslim.
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Somehow, you are the only one i am able to see who is so determined to spread this type of misinformation and xenophobia.
The Holy Quran states that killing a human being (muslim or non muslim) is tantamount to killing the whole humanity. Similarly, saving the life of a human being is tantamount to saving the whole humanity. Allah states this idea when He says:"That if any one slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, It would be as if he saved the life of the whole people." (5:32)
Yahudi a question for you, can’t u ask this trite question once and get it done with. Second will you sometime talk about your faith instead of critising others. If you don’t understand islam you do not have to offend others you know. Or is it something you just enjoy doing?
This is the kind of thing people should ignore.. we've tried educating him, he proved resistant.. let him be.
Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits in the land!.(5:32)
Dear Faisal, given are the actual words. Quran recognizes killings for retaliation. But in all chapters I cannot find the deciding factor if the retaliation is correctly judged.
What is the way out if a Muslim kills a non-believer by mistake?
Pls tell me who is actually a non-believer as per Quran and what treatment is announced for him in this life and in hell. (Heaven off course is not for them.)
Can Muslims have peace with non-believers and on what conditions?
My question remains unanswered.
Islam is a religion of peace only for Muslims or for all communities?
Ms Nadia, You did not like one quote. I can be wrong. Pls tell me if the rest is correct?
Wise man, why you worry? Is it necessary to be associated with some party, political or religious?
^^ his name is wise one :)
Isalam is a religion of peace and is 4 the whole world
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Can Muslims have peace with non-believers and on what conditions?
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Yes, history has proven it many times. I don't know the exact conditions, but as long as they pay tax and don't try to cause trouble, they can live together.
And if practised right, Islam is indeed a religion of peace for all mankind, muslim or non-muslim. You can't just judge Islam, the religion itself on behaviour of other people, you should study pure Islam and then draw your conclusions.
Surah 8, Al_Anfal, verse 61:
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that heareth and knoweth (all things)."
Commentary on that verse: While we must always be ready for the good fight lest it be forced on us, even in the midst of the fight we must always be ready for peace if there is any inclination towards peace on the other side. There is no merit merely in a fight by itself. It should be a joyful duty not for itself, but to establish the reign of peace and righteousness and Allah's law.
And according to Surah 2, verses 178-179:
"O ye who believe!
The law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder:
The free for the free,
The slave fo rthe slave,
The woman for the woman.
But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonalbe demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude. This is a concession and a mercy from your Lord. AFter this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave chastisement.
In the law fo equality there is (saving of) Life to you. O ye men of understanding; that ye may restrain yourselves."
Part of commentary: '...if the aggrieved party consents, forgiveness and brotherly love is better, and the door of mercy is kept open. In Western law, no felony can be compounded.'
I'm sorry, but I can't help not saying this: Shame on the title of your post!
Why do you have your nick as yahudi if it isn't necessary to belong to anything? Or did you think "people here are muslims lets use yahudi that will give them some thing to think about"
If you really wanna know anything about some one genuinely, you don't start off by accussations. You ask a simple question.
I am not a religious scholar i don't think you will find one here in GS. I do however know that every verse in Quran pak has a context or a background. You can't take one verse and stick it every where. Thats why there are schools( which people have objection to).
I will give you one example after 9/11 people have pretty much same opinion as yours and on tv non muslims were trying to say that in Quran Allah says He is the God of west and east there fore there is no such thing as westerns are all wrong. Now the verse was atually related to the direction in which we say our prayer. It wasn't about the western or eastern countries.
Now the verses which you are probably talkin about are directed at Hazrat Muhammed (PBUH) when he was dealing with enemies and they were non muslims at the time. However there is another verse in Quran i will send you the source pretty soon where Allah protects a jew cuz he was innocent and i will give u the background now. A jew was accussed of theft , he denied it but muslims at the time said that he is lieing and stood by their muslims brother. As you know the punishment of theft is pretty strict in islam, nobody knew that truth but the two men and Allah.
So Allah revealed in Quran that the jew was innocent and let justice be done. And Quran works on the principle of right and wrong. If a non muslim is wrong doer thats only because he cannot recognize His lord but that doesn't mean we can kill him for that unless we are in battlefield.
Hope that helped!
Thans Sadya, for all your efforts.
You insist that peaceful leaving with non-believers is possible if they pay taxes.
If enemy inclines towards peace?
I want to know why cannot the Islamic believers side take initiative for peace?
Wise one, I object,
‘every verse in Quran pak has a context or a background’. Did Allah say so? The word of God must not depend on contexts and definitions.
To defend Quran you want to raise one verse against hundreds verses. I feel pity for non-believers when I read Quran.
Who is a non-believer as per Quran? Let us decide this point.
As per my understanding whoever rejects the Ayats is a non-believer.
How can a true Muslim live peacefully with non-believers if they are so brutally condemned, threaded and abused in Quran?
I do not look at the behavior of general Muslims; they are nice people like any other community.
I am only trying to study and understand Quran.
The description of a non-believer:
And had We willed, We would surely have elevated him therewith but he clung to the earth and followed his own vain desire. So his description is the description of a dog: if you drive him away, he lolls his tongue out, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls his tongue out. Such is the description of the people who reject Our Ayât. So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect. (7:176)
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do not post verses out of context....
y do u ppl even bother talking to ppl like yahudi who won't accept islam no matter what u try, these ppl will learn but then it will be too late for them ...
Listen yahudi g, u evaded a question very perfectly.
Second thing if you are reading quran to know the truth you shall find it and if you are reading it to find mistakes then may God help you. Its a book of guidance for only those who seek guidance. You should know that cuz Quran pak starts with that.
"The word of God must not depend on contexts and definitions."
A question for you again do you believe you have intelligence to understand every thing, just say yes or no. I will elaborate on it then.
And as to your feeling when you read Quran i am sorry to say but if you misinterpret it then you will feel what ever you want to.
And i still insist that context is important , i don't think you or me can decide how word of God should be(since we are but creations of God) Only Allah can decide that.
Another question why post your ideas with so offendins title?You must admit not a very pleasant way to ask others idealogy when you begin by offending their belief. I am still in dilemma wether you wanna understand or offend?So you wanna know the truth or you just wanna offend people?
Let us decide the core issue.
Who is a non-believer as per Quran? Can a true Muslim have peace with a non-believers?
(And no offenses pls.)
Yahudi, sir, jsut some advice (if you don't mind), if you are truly sincerely looking for answers, why don't you ask a good scholar these questions, maybe a good imam somewhere in your area?
Right now, you seem to come across as someone trying to tell muslims how 'bad' their religion is, one time insulting the prophet (pbuh), then the Quran, the revelation of God Himself, each time you ask something, tehre seems to be sarcasm and insult in your posts.
If it really is your aim to seek knowledge, and maybe you should go to someone who has studied deeper in these things and can better hlep you.
Yahudi
Just for the record, a non believer is someone who does not believe. Very simple.
However, I am surprised that you decide to come onto this Forum in order to learn about Islam rather than take up classes, which by the way are available all over the world at different levels for Muslims and non Muslims alike.
Does this say something about your grasp on learning capabilities or do you have an alternative agenda.
You decide.
Peace.