God didn't make man; man made gods

God didn’t make man; man made gods. Do you agree?

During early days of human civilization, we felt very insecure and helpless in front of natural calamities and search for food. We gradually tried to adjust, understand and sometimes overcome such problems. The main stratagy to do that was to organize people and act as a group. That gave rise to group activities like hunting, cultivation etc. It increased their chance of success and survival. During this process men gradually understood its own limitation. So they conceived the existence of supernatural power, which they thought are behind all those forces. They also started believing that such supernatural forces strike when they are not happy. They tried to keep them happy. They developed a set of rituals, “warship”, as the means to keep these “Gods” or “spirits” happy. Each group of people tried to conceive the supernatural powers according to their own experience. If they liked particular meat or drink, they used to offer those to their “Gods”. “Gods” also started looking like them, physically. So the same “God” is not exactly the same in southern India as compared to that of northern India. Even definition of “God” varies from region to region. Ravana may be a demon in most of India but many people in Sri Lanka and southern India consider him as “God”. As most of the natural calamities used to be the same e.g. rain, flood, storm-wind, draught-sun, wild beasts etc, many of such supernatural powers had high similarities (though not identical) world over. Gradually all such activities and concepts gave rise to religion. Basically religion was evolved mainly to make societies more organized and to involve everybody to participate in different activities or “rituals”, for betterment of the society. “Religion” made implementing the rules much easier, as punishment was stipulated to be high. This gave rise to the concept of virtue and vice. Breaking the rules were equated to sin or vice while obeying those were termed as virtues. Here we should keep in mind that all such rules were made by human, most probably the pack leaders of concerned groups. During early phase of human evolution and the initial days of “religion”, all were busy to ensure their own survival. So they all were interested to search the reason, in other words, the truth (mainly behind natural calamities, food supply and reproduction). Later life became a bit easier due to many innovations and inventions. Then the main evolution of religion started (as we see it today).

Ancient religions are more inclined to have idol worshipping and have many Gods/Goddesses to take care of natural causes like wind, rain, flood, life threatening animals, birth, death etc. Example of such religion is Hinduism, religions from ancient Egypt, Greece etc. Many tribes in India and abroad practice such type of “religion” with many Gods. More recent religions like Islam, Christianity etc are more like an “ideology”. Almost all of such recent religions conceive a single “God” and the person who introduced that “ideology” became a “prophet”; as compared to many “Gods” in ancient religions. Such difference indicates the ultimate motive behind the introduction of such religions. It’s like establishing an “ideology” mainly to prove one’s supremacy than to motivate survival of a group of people. It’s the same psychology with which a king rules his subject. Evolution of such recent religions was possible as life became easier. Creation and spread of such recent religions also affected ancient religions. Leaders of those who were practicing “ancient” religions tried to invent some new “rituals” (which was not originally there) to strengthen their own grip over wealth and power. “Satidaha” (burning of brides), no beef eating, many marriages by men but not by women etc by Hindus are some of this type of “rituals”. As people and their leaders from different religions came in contact of each other, competition to prove ones’ supremacy became more intense.

To maintian the social order and their own supremacy, group-leaders did not encourage asking question. They started implementing their own version of “truth” in the name of religion. It became the norm. Gradually every religion started demanding un-questionable faith. “Search for truth” soon became the fight to establish one’s own version of “truth”. Now we see the fight among human beings to prove that their version of “truth” is more “true” than that of others! This deformed version of “religion” allegedly is the single most important reason for human sufferings, conflicts and death in the past and remains so even today.

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If we made god then who made us?

I agree though that man has made religions and continue to make them. If I remember correctly then there are more 17,000 registered religious idealogies today.

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And in the same line of thought someday Andriods will make this same statement about who made who…when Andriods rule the Universe!:hypo:

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Will Science Someday Rule Out the Possibility of God? - Yahoo! News

There’s good reason to think science will ultimately arrive at a complete understanding of the universe that leaves no grounds for God whatsoever.

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If God made us, who made God ? If God can appear out of nowhere then maybe life did too...

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listen to carl sagan on this one. if you dont have a link then i can provide you one.

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wow. you must like carl sagan a lot. he said the exact same thing.

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Only problem with Science itself is…Science too is a religion…

for example none of us can see Gravity, Magnetisim or Electricity, we only know them by their effects…

all properties of Mass which itself is a property of Matter!

But the source that gives Matter Mass is called by Modern Scientist…

for lack of a scientific word…THE GOD PARTICLE!

so until Scientist can get their act together we Need God Almighty to keep the Mass in all the Matter in our known Universe!..:hypo:

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If somebody's god appeared out of "nowhere" then that somebody should worship the "where", where god appeared out from.

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R u implying that people should stop worshiping God? :confused:

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I agree with your logic ... A pity however, none of the Muslims believe God appeared out of nowhere ... We say Allah is the First and the Last And nothing precedes Him and He has always Been and will always Be.

Coming back to your logic ... It is vital to understand that those who profess to atheism are infact deifying humanity ...

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Peace saregamapa

I read the first part of your OP and I wonder how it was you came by such information about our past ... It is truly amazing that you have obtained such information that until today has not been possible to obtain ... This miracle message you have given to us is amazing ... You say it as if you were there with such conviction and authority ... Please explain why we should accept you claims as true?

Why should natural disasters and fear of the scarcity of food have duped us in to creating Diety? And what evidence is there that this is what happened? Civilisation occurred according to the history books when nomadic people settled in a region ... They settled there because of an abudance of food not scarcity ... Read about Mesopotamia ... It means between two rivers and they devised the shaduff to irrigate water to the fields ... They were well equipped to deal with their food needs ... The others were nomadic and found their food or grew it ... i.e. the animals that they domesticated ... There is absolutely every sign that even the nomadic people and the settlers had the concept of Deity in times when they were thriving.

Furthermore what sign is there that animals will also evolve to develop a concept of God that they previously did not have? Can we prove that animals do not believe in God?

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Or why worship at all. I have never seen any god asking to worship them. Does coke worship wending machine . (lol, i am sorry but couldnt resist stating that stupid example).

On a serious note, Scientists say if god came out of nowhere then may be the universe came out of no where as well.

Some people think that gods were never created, they were always there and an answer is not possible, then by some stretch of imagination it can also be deduced that universe was never created and it always existed, and an answer is not possible.

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Humanity : Def- the quality of being humane; kindness; benevolence.
Are you saying that atheists are incapable of being kind and moral ? That is a rather condescending approach. I usually find this holier-than -thou attitude in many “extra-religious” people of all religions unfortunately. :bummer:
There is this quote about religious people that goes like this …
“People will do anything for religion, argue for it, fight for it, die for it, anything but live for it”

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Making humans into gods = deifying humanity :nahi:

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As per my religion, God is in man and so man can become God when he realizes that. So humans can become Gods. Basically it is a clash of belief systems. :slight_smile:

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gods that came out of somewhere will be inferior in someway to the place that helped them conceal thus that space becomes god’s deity at least in one way.

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Yes the example is not completely relative but you would agree that it is the maker of the coke that controls and define the purpose of the product. Similarly it is the Creator of the creators that will define the purpose of the creation. And He has asked us- the mankind- to submit to Him just like the other great creations of His do. In this is our own success and fulfillment of purpose.

People think all sorts of things but in the end that is what they are, i.e. thoughts. Had universe made any claims of it being a Creator then yes we could ponder about those claims too but that is not the case. Universe and its components are following a defined system. They are not independent of that system and God is the Designer of the system.

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Peace calypsodc

That is fine you can believe what you like. At least atheism and paganism share a common quality. It presents a problem to me however to undertake that approach for the reason that if you believe you have become god or others believe that about you, will demand worship from them or would worship yourself? If there are rivals in your god system and what it means to have become a god according to your belief presents itself to be a very strange and complex belief.