God, a proven fact or a mere fiction?

Re: God, a proven fact or a mere fiction?

Dear bitter, brevity is fine where others know what one is talking about and agree over the basics but disagree only over a minor detail.

When thinkings are so muddled up as they are that all of us are confused about everything when some one thinks he has found a way to deal with all this chaos and confusion, it has to be a complete statement to explain the whole thing involved so that then people could see the actual thing and then they can compare it to what they know to see which is clear and beneficial so that they give up wrong ideas and take on better ideas and join in. It is easier to see things if you go by ideology against ideology, system against system, structure against structure, procedure against procedure, practice against practice be it about societies, politics, cultures, economics etc etc.

If Allah thought that he needed to reveal a book the size of the quran to help people think then this is only one chapter of it. If we have no time for it then we should not say anything about things we have no idea about or we are not interested in. It is wrong mindset, attitude and behaviour that I just poke my nose anywhere where it does not belong just for steering up trouble.

If we want to discuss islam then we have to discuss the quran just like discussing bible for talking about christianity etc. We cannot argue for or against islam without involving the quran in there.

We who claim to be muslims have ruined reputation of the quran by quoting a verse and then bending it according to our own wishful make beliefs and saying there you are I have proved I am right. This suits fine to people in position of power who are hell bent on ruining lives of people in the name of scriptures throughout the world but it does not work that way and it shouldn’t for anyone who is really interested in knowing the truth about something for sake of benefit of it all to humanity. Each and every verse first has to be shown that it makes sense in its own rightful place and then we can use it as a reference after knowing its meanings in context.

One has to see how many threads are filled with nonsense debates about issues relating islam, hardly any of them is fully settled and all are confused and give up debate wihtout reaching anywhere worthwhile turning point. It is because they are using the quran the way they should not. A verse quotation is fine if you already know what the quran means in its own context but if you quote a verse randomly to a people who are already confused you are not doing the right thing.

Muslims need to insist that their mullahs read to them the quran properly chapter by chapter clarifying its proper context. Very soon you will find they are lost because they never thought about it. Despite children spending their life time with mullahs in their darul alooms when they come out of there, what do they know of the quran? Not much other than what they were taught and the way they were taught. Their critical faculty is not develop to understand the quran the way it ought to be understood.

This is why whether people go to madrassas or stay home, it changes nothing at all. How did the prophet manage to turn the community around within 23 years using the quran alone as his imaam and guide? It is 1400 years since muslims got lost and after such length of time they still haven’t found the way back to good human society. Something must be seriously wrong with us that we have been so unsuccessful and a very bad failure that on the one hand the whole world is laughing at us and on the other we and the rest of the world are going through needless pain and suffering. So we must rethink our position and approach things in a different way than we have been for so long. If fruits of our beliefs and actions have not delivered what we thought we will get by going about thing the way we went then obviously we are not on the right road. We have left quran alone and have created our own islams which are leading us to hell that we see all around us.

But all I can do is share my thoughts as I think the rest is up to rest of brethren to think about and come up with their own solutions. If we do not unite on some basic beneficial goal and guidelines then we are going to go our own separate ways and the results are going to be worse and worse day by day.

It is entirely up to ourselves to make our world go the way we want it to go. For better or for worse we are all in this boat together. We float or drown together regardless we sit tight together or separately.

regards and all the best.