Go Musharraf Go !! OR Go for Musharraf. Give your Verdict

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Musharraf since 1999

Following are some ups and downs of Mush

UPS:

  1. Took over in Bloodless coup (1999)
  2. Doubled Forex Reserves within a year (2000)
  3. Started Comprehensive plans to bring big fishes under tax net (2000)
  4. Did deal with NS (got rid of worst Pakistan ever come up with) (2000)
  5. First Pakistani leader to visit india after Kargil war (2001)
  6. Handling of affairs after septermber 11 (2001).
  7. Made peace with india after forces of both countries went on borders (2002)
  8. Banned Jihadi outfits in Pakistan (2002)
  9. Hold general elections in Pakistan
  10. Pakistani exports were increased by 40% (2003)
  11. Significant increase in GDP and Forex Reserves (2003)
  12. Pakistani stock Market had been best since 2001 in world (2004)
  13. AQ khan crisis (though not with with him 100%but I think he did in wider national interest after Iran and Libya gave evidence) (2004)
  14. Didn’t let american forces to launch operation in waziristans despite immense pressure (2005)
  15. Second Successful Local Government bodies elections (2006)
  16. Pakistan GDP continue to grow by average 5% under his tenure
  17. Independence to Print media and television channels.
  18. Curb the Baloch Millitant movement (2005,2006)
  19. Increased Pakistan’s role on world stage
  20. Kept greedy and corrupt BB and NS out of Pakistan until 2007.
  21. Intiated Gawader Project and has completed majority of the work by 2007.
  22. Construted extensive highways and motorways (and he never said Meray Daur mein jo Motorway banee…)
  23. Development of Chasma Nuclear Power Plants
  24. JF17 (Developed in Collaboration with China) inducted in Airforce.
  25. Construction of Lahore airport, Sialkot Airport, Rahim Yar Khan Airport.
  26. Construction of Big dams in Balochistan (Miriani etc)

Downs:

  1. Failed to curb extremisim in FATA
  2. Sacked CJ (2007)
  3. Arrested Lawyers and Students under treason act (2007)
  4. Let shameless BB to come back to Pakistan (2007)
  5. Imposed Emergency and Suspended top Judges (2007)
  6. Started to have showdown with media
    Most of his career lows happened in 2007 and I don’t agree with what he did this year but I still think that he has done enough for us to forgive and give him another chance because HE IS BEST AMONG THE WORST so you want to shout go Musharraf go or you want him to keep going. Have your say (no lengthy discussions please, just your verdict and short reason). Best.
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Well you know my position very well on this one. Yes he did some good things but it's time for him to leave now. Let's have true democracy in Pakistan. And how is UPs (no1) a plus?

It's like a robber saying sorry mein nay aapke ghar chori kee magar itna ehsan to mano k tumhein chor raha hoon..

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20 POSITIVE things he has done.
6 so-called negative things.

There is no doubt that Musharraf has been the best leader of Pakistan since Quaid-e-Azam based on actual overall results, and he deserves another 5-year period. :k:

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Cheetay bloodless coup was no less fate in itself especially after "loha choor" didn't give permission to land with many innocent lives abroad so I think that was one of high points. But anyway, I know how you feel about this and I pray Allah aap ko Hadayat day. Best.

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Ok I accept that the coup was probably the lesser of the two evils but how does that justify holding onto kursi for 8 years....could be 13 or more.

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As I said earlier He is best among the worst. You get another leader who has not been tested and prefer Pakistan on his own intersts and I would be the first one to support him/her. Musharraf is not Indispensable but unfortunaetly we have got no Option. Who you want to elect (BB, Mullahs, NS, MQM). I like Imran Khan but he hasn't got what it takes to be a national leader.

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  1. Doubled Forex Reserves within a year (2000)

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You count it as “UP” … :rotfl: you guys have no sense of justice system, no wonder people like you support Musharraf.

:rotfl: he is the one who thrown out the leader in whose tenure this war occurred, now you are claiming “first Pakistani leader to visit India since…” as if there were 20 leaders in between.

You mean that one phone call? :cb:

Why couldn’t same guy make/force peace when he was incharge during Nawaz Sharif govt? Or was it some ego clash?

Or should we say “negotiated” with Jihadi outfits?

Elections? Oh you mean (s)elections.

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and all those UMAV were Pakistani controlled… :hmmm:

:k:

Like what?

:rotfl: and you forgot to mention that BB got in Pakistan with yet another phone call, for which he had to issue an NRO (the point is not about BB coming back, rather with an NRO, phone call etc.)

I don’t think this credit goes to Mushy… unless you want to say “oh he didn’t block this project” then yeah credit to Mushy

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and how do you suggest we bring him? just like we got Mushy through backdoor? Did you know of Mushy pre 1999?

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Also in the DOWNs you forgot to mention that Pakistan is now considered one of the most failed states. We are in the top 7 or 8 failed states I believe :p so much for Mushism

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Errrr! Try again Reza!

No doubt he has done some greattt things, and opened way for outlets that made the country a new Pakistan today. But to name him ‘THE GREATEST’ leader since Quaid…i dono about that. I think that’s a little far fetched.
Now before you go all outta hinge about this, hear me out first!

  1. Bhutto was considered the greatest leader after the ‘GREAT’ first leaders, and i’ll tell you why:

a. He had the nerve to send a clear message to U.N. when he visited, because Pakistan was just being bullied around at his time. And he made it clear that the pakistani ppl were sick of it. The resistance Iran is putting up today unsuccessfully, he was the man that was able to tear up the notice of sanctions and make it clear to any one of those nations present at U.N. that Pakistan had its right to develop nukes just as do other nations who already have them. You should see one of his speeches, it’s quite moving.

b. He introduced the Nuke program, and thus the reason for Pakistan being a nuke club member today, is due to him.

c. He was on the verge of all muslim-alliance, he called a first-ever summit of all muslim country leaders in Lahore, and suggested that muslim countries have so many resources, if they would just unite, they don’t have to take shh from others. They can develop well as a true ‘Third World block’. Now when we think of the term third world, it’s usually bad, undeveloped and such. Think again!?

d. He had the power of ppl, he was able to rally people behind him. He knew how to connect with people. Musharraf knows exactly the opposite. Sadly.

e. He was removed because the ‘Global Arms Monopoly’ was at risk, if he had stayed around any longer, the muslim nations would have united to form an elite alliance.

With that said, he did some things that were totally wrong too. Like the division of East/West Paklands…sad indeed. But there are reasons for that as well.

Having said alllllllll that, i have to make clear that his daughter is NOT what he envisioned she would accomplish after him. The modern world politics corrupted her. The lady herself is extremely educated, and has more merit than any other politician that has set foot on scene so far, her drawbacks started from her marriage days because she got a jack of a husband. His corruption sank her political-ship and her govt. came under huge suspecions. Ofcourse she’s involved too, but the core issue is/has been her surroundings.

So, when we’re naming great leaders lets be rational about it, read up on the past, not just explore the present. A military ruler of a land is hardly an accomplishment for any country.
I’m all for what Musharraf did to topple Nawaz’s govt., because that was the right thing to do at the time. He was on the right path, he came in with the right ideas, but soon thereafter he got the company of some very tribalistic valued men (chaudhries) and ofcourse the potion of power got to him as well overtime.
With all due respect, he should follow thru on all his promises of re-election FAIRLY, leave his army title to the awaiting General and show some sincerety, although i doubt that’s possible at this time because his scandals just like old politicians’ scandals have already and will start to surface as well. The billions in aid didn’t reach the public, who they were meant for, that’s for sure. So where did all that money go?
I rest my case.
Reza, i meant no disrespect, i love reading your stuff. You have bright ideas but…pleaseeeeee be realistic, i know you like the guy and his performance, we all do but dont’ insult some of the true leaders of this nation by naming him above them.
Even Ayub Khan didn’t go to the extremes of action against civilians that he’s gone to. so lets just keep focused…

Sing a Song according 2 Ur Mood !!!!!
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would you care to mention the ratio of impact produced in return to his above mentioned actions, which mean that whether his good things brought any change in the lives of Pakistani’s and others or his bad conduct are in a way better and strong shape :stuck_out_tongue:

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he has been the best thing to happen to pakistan, he definatly needs to stay for pakistan to further develop.

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Totally Agree. God Bless President Musharaf. Long may he continue. Ameen. :k:

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  1. Did deals with the most corrupt people in Pakistan
  2. Had numerous corrupt and NAB arrested people in his cabinet.
  3. held the most rigged election in Pakistan.
  4. Got himself elected with 95% votes from a Parliament which was elected in a rigged election and refused to face a new parliament as he should have doen.
  5. Tried to save his skin by sacking the CJ
  6. Extremism and terrorism was the biggest growth area under his rule.
  7. Used the terrorists to strengthen his kursi.

More to come.

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You count it as “UP” … :rotfl: you guys have no sense of justice system, no wonder people like you support Musharraf.
Had he made him spent 21 years behind the bars then people like you would have complained that elected PM made to suffer without thinking how many lives he put in danger when he prevented Plane to land in Karachi.
:rotfl: he is the one who thrown out the leader in whose tenure this war occurred, now you are claiming “first Pakistani leader to visit India since…” as if there were 20 leaders in between.
** ok ok I meant to say first leader to visit since nuclear explosions**

You mean that one phone call? :cb:
Whatever but it has has been proved that was in intrest of pakistan

Why couldn’t same guy make/force peace when he was incharge during Nawaz Sharif govt? Or was it some ego clash?
** It was Policy change after Sept11 and it was in our interest to fight extremism **

Or should we say “negotiated” with Jihadi outfits?
and yes those “negotiations” killed thousands of Pakistani soldiers and mullahs like dadullah and Nek Mohammad

Elections? Oh you mean (s)elections.
Had there been any election in Pakistan apart from 1970?

:cheer:

and all those UMAV were Pakistani controlled… :hmmm:
** You know they were hell bent on attacking FATA after sept11 and he let lesser of two evils to happen **

:k:

Like what?

:rotfl: and you forgot to mention that BB got in Pakistan with yet another phone call, for which he had to issue an NRO (the point is not about BB coming back, rather with an NRO, phone call etc.)**
I don’t like him doing deal with BB anyway**

I don’t think this credit goes to Mushy… unless you want to say “oh he didn’t block this project” then yeah credit to Mushy
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** Atleast give the devil his due**

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I hope miserable 2007 is over for mushy boy

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Why don't you guys see that glass is half full as well. You guys remind me khawat in urdu
" ** * Makhi saray Khubsoorat Jism ko choor kar sirf zakham par hi bethti hai** *"

Best

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GO (to Washington) Musharraf GO!
GO (to Boston) Musharraf GO!

PS: and dont come back

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Not really, people like me would've been happier if he was prosecuted in court of law and proved his crimes.

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ok ok I meant to say first leader to visit since nuclear explosions

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and how many leaders did we have since Nuke explosion?

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Whatever but it has has been proved that was in intrest of pakistan

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I doubt any other leader would have done much different, rather they would've taken nation into confidence about it and earned the trust.

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*It was Policy change after Sept11 and it was in our interest to fight extremism *

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Not really, it was yet another phone call to stop supporting "freedom fighters" against India.

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and yes those "negotiations" killed thousands of Pakistani soldiers and mullahs like dadullah and Nek Mohammad
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Really? You mean the militant outfits were not fighting Kashmir but instead fighting with Pakistani army?

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I don't like him doing deal with BB anyway

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Finally a common ground for us :)

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Atleast give the devil his due
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Sorry I am not that kind of person to thank for not stopping a project, however if he had stopped it then he would've earned my criticism :o

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Not really, people like me would've been happier if he was prosecuted in court of law and proved his crimes.
** I think he was prosecuted ,his crimes were proved and he was sentenced to 21 years in Jail **

and how many leaders did we have since Nuke explosion?
** It was major thaw in relations between Pakistan and India and they didn't trust NS anymore after Vajpayee famously said " peeth mein chura ghonpa" **

I doubt any other leader would have done much different, rather they would've taken nation into confidence about it and earned the trust.
** I think the whole nation was satisfied over what he did after sept 11 except bunch of mullahs **

Not really, it was yet another phone call to stop supporting "freedom fighters" against India.
** Brother you tell me what those freedom fighters earned for Pakistan. They were fighting since 1988, millions spent, hundred thousands lives were lost and we were in constant danger of having a nuclear war in South Asia and Did they manage to get single inch of IHK since 1988? **

Really? You mean the militant outfits were not fighting Kashmir but instead fighting with Pakistani army?
** no I said if there were really so called negotiations then why we lost so many soldiers and how come millitant leaders had been killed over the last three years **

Finally a common ground for us :)
** sure **
Sorry I am not that kind of person to thank for not stopping a project, however if he had stopped it then he would've earned my criticism :o
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** Atleast thank him that you like so many Pakistanis can criticize him and had you criticized zia then you mush have been Qaidi number 1 rather captain 1 **