Global Terrorism - The Indian Connection.

How wrong was Indian Prime Minister… When President George Bush visited this country of 150 million Muslims last year, he introduced his wife to the prime minister with a fact surely intended to amaze: “Not one Indian Muslim has joined Al Qaeda”

The alleged involvement of several Indians in the attempted bombings in London and Glasgow late last month has punctured the myth that Indian Muslims are immune to the call of jihad. It has sent alarm bells ringing in India’s security establishment.

It’s shocking to find educated Indian Muslims involved in terrorism. Now all Indians will be viewed suspiciosly at all airports etc.

One reason as Peter Neumann says that Indian Muslims feel more closer to Pakistanis than Indians once they leave India… How much truth is there to this?

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What is perhaps more likely, says Peter Neumann, a terrorism expert at Kings College London, is that the young men only became radicalized after they moved to Britain, where Indian Muslims tend to mix with their coreligionists rather than their compatriots.

“They would live in Pakistani areas, not Indian areas,” says Professor Neumann. “Even though geographically they are from India, culturally they are much closer to Pakistani communities.” In that sense, he says, the emergence of an Indian-Muslim link should not come as a surprise.
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Global terror’s India connection
The Glasgow attack is the first known act of global terror involving an Indian Muslim.
By Mark Sappenfield | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
and Mark Rice-Oxley | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
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NEW DELHI and LONDON - When President George Bush visited this country of 150 million Muslims last year, he introduced his wife to the prime minister with a fact surely intended to amaze: “Not one Indian Muslim has joined Al Qaeda,” he said.

At a time when Muslim nations from Algeria to Indonesia have emerged as incubators for anti-Western extremists, India – by some estimates the world’s second-most-populous Muslim nation – has remained a unique case.

Yet reports from Britain suggest that, for the first time, an Indian Muslim is likely to be implicated in an act of international terrorism. Khafeel Ahmed, the man who police say crashed a Jeep into Glasgow’s airport on June 30, is an engineer from Bangalore, a city previously known only as the high-tech capital of the new India.

Until now, Indians’ disinterest in the global jihad had been largely taken for granted, experts say. In recent days, however, the nation has been left to try to piece together why a man who holds a PhD in aeronautics from India’s golden city was driven to such rage against the West – and whether there will be more to follow.

“There may have been some small-scale radicalization of some communities in India more recently,” says Paul Rogers, a global-security expert at Bradford University in England. “If you are looking at the overall situation, the ongoing problems in Iraq and Afghanistan are having a radicalizing effect.”

Law enforcement officials working in Britain and India have slowly begun to provide some clarity about the men they have in custody as well as the intent of the plot.

To this point, British authorities have filed charges against only one suspect, Iraq doctor Bilal Abdullah. It is now thought that Dr. Abdullah, a Sunni whose family was hit hard by the Iraqi war, planted the London car bombs and then drove to Glasgow to try and blow up the airport by ramming a Jeep filled with gas canisters into the terminal.

His principal accomplice is thought to be Mr. Ahmed, who is in critical condition following the attack. British police refused to comment on an ongoing investigation, but it is thought that Ahmed told his parents before the attacks that he would not be contactable for a week as he had to go away for a project on global warming. After the London attacks had failed, and before the Glasgow attack, he reportedly told his mother that his first “presentation” had failed and they should “pray for him this time.”

Khafeel’s brother, Sabeel, was detained in Liverpool. Another relative, Mohammed Haneef, was arrested in Australia.

The thread that connects these three dates back at least to 2005, investigators in India have said, and begins with Khafeel moving to England to pursue a PhD in aerodynamics and electrical engineering. While in Birmingham, he lived in a predominately Muslim neighborhood and met Abdullah through Sabeel.

An FBI spokeswoman said Friday that Haneef and a Jordanian doctor named Mohammad Asha had made inquiries last summer about working in the US, but did not follow through with the application process. Dr. Asha and his wife were arrested on a highway in England hours after the airport attack.

When he returned to India, according to reports by investigators, Khafeel had let his goatee grow into a full beard. On Feb. 19, 2006, he organized a meeting in Bangalore for World Chechnya Day – highlighting the plight of Muslims in the Russian state.

It was unusual behavior for an Indian Muslim, observers say. Indian Muslims have certainly been caught up in domestic terrorism – angered by the perception of prejudice in India and injustice in Kashmir. But the strain of political Islam so prevalent in other parts of the world, which seeks to take religious stands on global policy, is largely absent from India’s Muslim community.

This is partly because the Indian government will not allow it. Since Muslim Pakistan split from Hindu India 50 years ago, the state has been quick to stamp out any movement that even hinted at politicizing Islam.

Moreover, the trauma of partition, in which as many as 1 million Indians and Pakistanis died, means that “on the whole, Indian Muslims don’t like to stick their neck out on these issues,” says Omair Ahmed, a former political adviser to the British High Commission in New Delhi.

Indeed, some suggest that for this reason, such indoctrination is far more likely to happen to young men abroad than in India. These suspects “were out of their normal pool of people who can keep them under control,” says Mr. Ahmed. “If they mouth off in India, their uncle will take them aside and talk to them.”

What is perhaps more likely, says Peter Neumann, a terrorism expert at Kings College London, is that the young men only became radicalized after they moved to Britain, where Indian Muslims tend to mix with their coreligionists rather than their compatriots.

“They would live in Pakistani areas, not Indian areas,” says Professor Neumann. “Even though geographically they are from India, culturally they are much closer to Pakistani communities.” In that sense, he says, the emergence of an Indian-Muslim link should not come as a surprise.

As of yet, it is unclear whether the attacks in Britain – or any of the suspects – are connected to Al Qaeda. Unconfirmed reports have linked Abdullah with extremists in his home country, where he lived until three years ago. But the fact that the attacks seemed poorly executed could suggest that there was no link.

“If there had been strong input from Al Qaeda in Iraq, surely they would have come up with a better working device,” says Neumann. “If anyone can do car bombs, it is Iraqi insurgents.”

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Commentary: ‘Made in India’ terrorists?

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MANIPAL, Jul. 9
M.D. NALAPAT

Column: Future Present
India’s Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has several times publicly complimented his country on “not having a single member of al-Qaida despite having the second largest Muslim population in the world.” India, with 156 million Muslims, is beaten only by Indonesia’s 189 million.

After an Indian doctor rammed a jeep into a structure at Glasgow's international airport, this claim is no longer tenable. In fact, the amalgam of groups loosely referred to as "al-Qaida" has had a significant presence in India since 1995. Recruitment moved beyond Kashmir to the hinterland after 1998, the year the Kashmir jihad began losing steam due to public disillusionment within the state's Sunni population. 

Since then, several hundred thousand Sunnis have migrated from Kashmir to other parts of India, setting up families and businesses that have erased their separatist impulses. However, less because of Pakistani influence than the presence of Palestinian students enrolled in engineering, medical and other professional colleges, several hundred Sunni youth in Bangalore, Hyderabad, Mumbai and New Delhi have secretly been recruited into the numerous front organizations of the Wahabbi International, in particular the Students Islamic Movement of India. 

A steady flow of mainly Saudi funds into Sunni groups, such as the Tablighi Jamaat, have resulted in the overshadowing of moderates by extremists. They are usually ignored by local police if they confine themselves to "foreign" causes such as Palestine, Chechnya or Iraq. 

Despite frequent assertions about the "universality" of terrorism, India -- in common with other democracies -- has tended to adopt a softer standard against those plotting harm to locations outside the country's borders, and to focus on locating and neutralizing groups such as the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, the Harkat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islam, the Lashkar-e-Toiba and the Jaish-e-Mohammad, all of which are headquartered in that much-praised ally in the "war on terror," Pakistan. 

The bombings in Britain showed this policy to be as myopic as U.S. policy toward Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. These two countries are at the hub of the Wahabbi International, barring a thinning pro-Western crust that is either ineffective or unwilling to take action against terrorist groups operating under cover of social, cultural or human rights labels. 

Fortunately for incoming British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Indians have shown themselves to be incompetent in executing terrorist attacks, in contrast to the far more effective Pakistanis, Saudis and Palestinians. Hopefully, the lower level of indoctrination and motivation that such incompetence reveals will continue to be a feature of the Indian component of al-Qaida. Since the government strives to treat Muslims a cut better than it does high-caste Hindus, few Sunnis in India take seriously the rants of Palestinian and other foreign students urging them to take a frontline role in operations against the occupiers of Iraq and Afghanistan -- although hatred for U.S. and NATO policy runs high. 

Thanks to Iraq, for the first time since the 1920s -- when a group of Indian Muslims took up cudgels on behalf of the deposed Caliph of Turkey -- foreign policy has become an issue dividing Muslims from the rest of the Indian population in a way that Pakistan or the jihad in Kashmir never did. The destruction of life and property in a large Muslim country such as Iraq has been taken to heart by Muslims worldwide, even more than Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza. Because the majority of the population there is Shiite, there is the further danger that Iraq will ignite a Shiiite jihad against the West and its allies. Events in Lebanon since 1982 have made Israel the only non-Sunni Muslim country to face Shiite terrorists. 

Sonia Gandhi, who may accurately be termed the "owner" of India's ruling Congress Party, is partial towards NGOs, and has accommodated several within the freewheeling higher echelons of the current administration. This preference is shared by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who astonished the world a week ago by publicly expressing sympathy not for the intended victims of the latest terror attack in Britain, but for the perpetrators and their families, whose plight, in his words, "caused sleepless nights." 

This empathetic approach to terrorists has infected his administration, resulting in a significant increase of jihadi morale after a decade of defeats at the hands of a well-motivated security infrastructure. In the insurgency-wracked states in the Northeast and Kashmir, the Congress-led governments have shown a willingness to turn the other cheek -- resulting in a rapid increase in terrorist capabilities. Ironically, this soft approach has been endorsed enthusiastically by both the United States and its military allies, who have performed a miracle in Iraq and Afghanistan by discovering "moderate Sunni extremists" in the first and "moderate Taliban" in the second. 

Today in India, what may be termed the "Norwegian" approach to terrorists -- viewing them as misguided idealists who only need encouragement to abandon violence -- has been carried to such lengths that President Abdul Kalam could not find time to meet the families of the victims of the December 13, 2001 Parliament House attack, but spared an hour for the wife of one of the masterminds. 

In Sonia Gandhi's India, it is once again fashionable to defend terrorists and condemn the security services as "brutal fascists," which could lead to a sharp and sudden fall in morale. The Indian prime minister's reaction to the British terror attempt has been to focus not on the act itself or the culpability of the perpetrators, but to clutch at excuses for their conduct. 

In March 2006, Sheikh Osama bin Laden publicly began lumping Hindus together with Jews and Christians as infidels needing to be sorted out by the use of force. Although such an addition to the Wahabbi pantheon of devils is scripturally unsound -- there being considerable daylight between the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) and the more easygoing Hindus -- it has been mandated by the fact that the Sheikh needs the protection of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence to continue to elude capture by NATO forces. Within the International Islamic Front Against the Jews and Crusaders formed by bin Laden in 1998, only the Pakistan-based outfits include India in the list of target countries, a choice not endorsed by any other group, including those based in Indonesia, Malaysia, Africa and the Middle East. 

Despite the expansion of jihadi networks in India since Prime Minister Inder Kumar Gujral first began to replace the mailed fist with the velvet glove in 1997, India's jihadi base is still statistically small in both absolute and relative terms. More than for the West, the "doctors' plot" that has unfolded in Britain has been a wake-up call to the government of India to once again invest time and effort in uncovering jihadi networks. Should Manmohan Singh fail, and the "al-Qaida" network in India continue to expand and menace the international community, he would be putting at considerable risk India's future as an equal and steadily prospering partner of the Western democracies. 

http://www.upiasiaonline.com/security/2007/07/09/commentary_made_in_india_terrorists/

(Professor M.D. Nalapat is vice-chair of the Manipal Advanced Research Group, UNESCO Peace Chair, and professor of geopolitics at Manipal University.)

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Prof NalaPat sounds bitter…:rolleyes:

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Most Indians are smug in the belief that India’s secular democracy had immunized its Muslim citizens against the jihadi virus and keen to convince the world that its Muslims were different from those elsewhere.

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I dont know about that, I have met my share of screwed up Indian Muslims...

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Not only this Indian guy has brought bad name to him and his family, but to his country as well…In a way he has put the lives and career of many of fellow countrymen living in UK in danger…just because of some $hitty Jehad.

It’s difficult to imagine what will happen to family members of this brainwahed terrorist…his poor family members will feel humiliated, isolated at every step of life…who knows they might commit mass suicide out of humiliation…their crime is just that this idiot belongs to the family :grumpy:

Backlash on other Indians because of one or two Radical Brainwashed terrorists, will not go easy with right wing political parties in India and their might be some wider repurcussions in future than we can imagine now.

IMHO, it’s time for Indian Muslims not to associate themselves from what is happening in Pallestine, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan etc. and concentrate on their bread and butter…allegiance to one India like all nother Indians do is the best way to prevent this virus of Radical Islam, which has just shown signs of infection in our Nation.

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it is not a Muslim problem it is an Indian problem. or Indians now believe in the two nation theory :hehe:

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^ so what was he fighting for. Kashmir? Muslims terrorist does not fight for a country. They fight for some unwanted and ridiculous Jihad, which never existed in the first place.

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you deal with the paradoxes. if you believe that you all are one-nation then you should be able to explain the motivation of these people in a one-nation context without dividing people into two groups. yahan par its fine to treat Muslims as a seperate, monolithic group, when things arent flattering for the whole. not when it involves giving up territory though, tab sab ek jaisay barabar bhai bhai kon hindu kon musalman

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C'mon ravage. Muslims around the world are the ones who want to divide themselves into a different group. You can't blame Britian, France, the Phillipines or India because the practice of Islam seemingly requires them to live as a separeate, monolithic group.

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its an inside joke Seminole, im just tormenting indian posters by trying to get them to disassociate with Muslims enough to validate the basis of creating Pakistan.

its easy to say we're one people when one of them isnt misbehaving :)

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how is it that an intellectual such as a doctor who believes in science can get brainwashed like this by islamic jihadists? What exactly do these terrorist wackos say that makes an educated person change his way of thinking on what he perceives to be right and wrong????

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Nothing in Medical school can make or teach you too disassociate from your sense of injustice, however misplaced... Muslims are worse of since we are encouraged to view the relgion as somthing without borders.. Thus its difficult for a religous person to not associate with the suffering of Muslims in Iraq and Paletine and whever else...
Islamic zeal plus precieved injustice can do a lot to turn someone into a fanatic terrorist.

Education doesnt enlighten anyone, Education I suspect only make people more aware of the world, and thus more responsive to it.. Poor and uneducated people tend to be less inclined for such views I suppose because they are more interested in making a living etc.

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cirtainly this has rang the bells in the indian security establishments. indian muslim are supposed to be the most priviledged muslims in the community. they have got all the rights the as other citizens of india got...In india, the constitutuion has formally declared the nation as a secular and all the religion including christian, jains, parsis , muslims etc coexists with majority hindus and sikhs. If other religion can stay happy and contribute to the national goal, why can't the muslims???

this young man from bangalore is a well settled engineer. his family is very prosporous and parents are socially recognised. why should he even join those filthy jihadist who only because can't progress themselves want to pull the legs of others who by constructive approach doing well.

In the end what have he achived?? he is now termed as a terrorists, tarnishes the image of the nation who is always commited to peace and secualrism, annoys the society, put his family in a very embarrasing situation back here at home. i'm very sure, in the end he will meeting with a dirty death. Instead if he would have use his intellect for the constructive purpose, he would not only lived happy and wealthy but also got all kinds of appreciation from his compatriots.

i urged all indian muslims to keep the national goal first. They can follow their religion at home or at the place of worship without fear. do not indulge in anti national, terrorist activities.

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It is disgusting to see some people here covert even a bomb plot and act of terror into a local conflict. One guy actually seems happy and relieved that "even" an Indian muslim can commit terror! what is your idiocy here? that muslims who don't commit terror are no good? is that what it is? another bin case wants to establish legitamacy of 2-nation theory amongst Indians. why, it's no good if Indians don't legitamise it?

why such pettiness? why such glee over others' misery?

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cause its fun.

you understand that the very first post mentioned Pakistan and Indian Muslims feeling closer to Pakistanies, so its not exactly off-topic.

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^ how is it fun? all it did was provide yet another "corraboration" to the idea that muslims are innately violence prone extremists. oh yeah, must be a loads of fun.

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aye but we get that anyway, might as well use it when i can :D

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one nation must be perfectly homogeneous and subject to universal motivations? if not, then the creation of pakistan must be valid?

lol...ravage bhai, let's try to make sense here.

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the reason that many pakistanis are happy that indian terrorists are behind these attacks is because India has continued to blame Pakistan's society and culture as a breeding ground for terrorists and it has said that it being a democracy, etc, that there are no indian muslim terrorists....

Bushy and other retards like Thomas Friedman bought this lie but they failed to understand that many indian muslims are fighting in Kashmir or have rebelled like Gangster Dawood Ibrahim.

but this just proves that its not what is wrong with Pakistan but the foreign policies of USA and the West which is fueling these attacks