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Pardon my ignorance....but what is wrong with giving birth in Pakistan or the home country? Is it the cost? lack of facilities?
anchor babies.
UK had widened up to this abuse and changed the laws regarding citizenship, but then of course they are not seen as enacting laws to prevent abuse of the system but as racist buggers by the desi community...the one interested in doing the whole thing
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Got it....I think its widespread here as well, maybe not as much amongst desis, as other immigrants
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Ok, in the UK the baby won't be a UK citizen just by being born there but in the USA, yes, ifthe baby is born in the US he/s she will be a US citizen, regardless of the parents' immigartion stauts. If the lady is pregnant she will have to go through WIC (Women and Infant Care). They don't ask about byour immigartion stauts. They give the mom to be free insurance throughWIC and you choose a doctor/ hospital based on the last of doctors they give you. They also get you started on pre natal vitamins. You don't have to pay anything that way, maybe a nominal cost but not thousands of dollars. But you have to go through WIC. there is one in every state in the USA.
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There are many state funded hospitals that provide care for free especially in low income areas. She can do a search online. Maybe not the best care but it is care.
She can also apply for hospital charities.
A lot of illegal immigrants walk directly into ER because ER cannot deny care.
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I have a classmate who has gone there specifically to give birth. And on a visitors visa. I dont understand the psyche behind it
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Personally i can't STAND people who use the system in the US to just give their child citizenship status. It sucks for people like me who are working hard and knowing that the tax payers dollars are going to people who didn't work for it.
No offense to anyone but i think the US has been ruined by all the FOBS, and mexican people, is disguisting that people are using the government like a charity when there are millions more deserving.
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njgal.. but why would ER consider pregnancy as an emergency? I would think if the person is in labor it's a different story!!
I dont like people who use the system like this.. US is the worst country with benefits for mothers (i get 4 weeks of maternity leave and some companies dont even give that) and then we have all these outsiders who can not only give birth here without paying a penny but go back home happily ever after with the child's citizenship and rave about their kids having dual citizenship and how they got it all free in the US!!
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Yeah I also agree with people getting all the benefits when t hey don't deserve it.
But in my friend's case the husband actually lives here, works here, pay taxes here but because he is on GC his wife can't come here until of course he becomes a citizen. The wife did get the visitor's visa. He can't leave his job here to go see his baby's birth in some other country. Like I said he is legally living here, paying taxes and all.
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Personally i can't STAND people who use the system in the US to just give their child citizenship status. It sucks for people like me who are working hard and knowing that the tax payers dollars are going to people who didn't work for it.
No offense to anyone but i think the US has been ruined by all the FOBS, and mexican people, is disguisting that people are using the government like a charity when there are millions more deserving.
I couldn't have said it better! My fiance is a M.D. and he's always telling me "stores" about patients who come in....obviously illegal and can't pay....and the hospital has no choice but to treat them for free. The doctors, nurses....all the medicines being given to them....is literally free. And then you have people with legal status....who not only pay taxes for all those freeloaders...but who also have to pay for their own medical care.
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Yeah I also agree with people getting all the benefits when t hey don't deserve it. But in my friend's case the husband actually lives here, works here, pay taxes here but because he is on GC his wife can't come here until of course he becomes a citizen. The wife did get the visitor's visa. He can't leave his job here to go see his baby's birth in some other country. Like I said he is legally living here, paying taxes and all.
Its great the the husband lives and works here....but does he have the money to pay for the baby's birth? Did he add his wife to his own health insurance plan?
Just b/c the wife got a "visitor's visa"....and just b/c the husband can't go back home to watch the baby's birth....that doesn't justify the wife giving birth here on the taxpayer's dollars. It's fine that you're trying to help your friend out...and yes, she can get away with giving birth here. But please don't try to justify that its "ok" for her to use social services here that're paid for taxpayers and meant for people who truly "need" them (not people who want to use them just b/c the husband wants to see the birth).
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njgal.. but why would ER consider pregnancy as an emergency? I would think if the person is in labor it's a different story!!
When you talk into a ER and complain about something....legally they have a duty to make sure you're "ok". Even if you're not obviously bleeding, dying etc....they still have a legal duty to "see" you, run necessary tests, and make sure nothing is wrong. If a pregnant woman walks in and says she needs to be checked out for something (even if she's not in labor), the ER has to make sure that she and the baby are "ok". If they refuse care, and if something goes wrong in the pregnancy or the baby has issues after birth.....the hospital can be sued for it. The potential for the lawsuit/negative publicity is not worth it for the hospital.
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I think he can definitely buy the visitor's insurance for her if he really wants her to give birth here!! Also, how long is her visitor's visa valid? isn't there a limit to it? once you pass that limit of days, you become illegal so tell her to becareful of her status especially if they will be applying for her to move here.. US embassy will keep track of her staying abroad and one day over, forget getting an immigrant visa ever!
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It's irrelevant that her husband works here and is paying taxes. The fact of the matter is that she is only on a visitor's visa and therefore she knows she should not be delivering her baby here. Why is she trying to trick the system? Also, as a GC holder, you can totally sponsor your spouse. You don't have to be a citizen to do that. During the process, when your status changes, you just alert the immigration authorities of the change in your status.
It's also my pet peeve when I see people trying to trick the system. At the end of the day, her care would be paid for by our taxpayer money when technically her husband should have brought her here legally first and gotten her health insurance before her delivery.
Anyways my friend told me of someone who did this....Obviously prenatal care would be hard to get because she has no documentation and she'll have to pay for each doctor's visit but if she is actually going through labor, the ER will take her in and deliver her baby. They'll send her a bill and this person that I know of actually negotiated how much they were able to pay. I think in the end, they had to pay around 10K.
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Its great the the husband lives and works here....but does he have the money to pay for the baby's birth? Did he add his wife to his own health insurance plan?
Just b/c the wife got a "visitor's visa"....and just b/c the husband can't go back home to watch the baby's birth....that doesn't justify the wife giving birth here on the taxpayer's dollars. It's fine that you're trying to help your friend out...and yes, she can get away with giving birth here. But please don't try to justify that its "ok" for her to use social services here that're paid for taxpayers and meant for people who truly "need" them (not people who want to use them just b/c the husband wants to see the birth).
I don't agree with this.
Actually I don't agree with the law of not being able to have your wife in the U.S on green card (its a very long wait).
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It's irrelevant that her husband works here and is paying taxes. The fact of the matter is that she is only on a visitor's visa and therefore she knows she should not be delivering her baby here. Why is she trying to trick the system? Also, as a GC holder, you can totally sponsor your spouse. You don't have to be a citizen to do that. During the process, when your status changes, you just alert the immigration authorities of the change in your status.
It's also my pet peeve when I see people trying to trick the system. At the end of the day, her care would be paid for by our taxpayer money when technically her husband should have brought her here legally first and gotten her health insurance before her delivery.
Anyways my friend told me of someone who did this....Obviously prenatal care would be hard to get because she has no documentation and she'll have to pay for each doctor's visit but if she is actually going through labor, the ER will take her in and deliver her baby. They'll send her a bill and this person that I know of actually negotiated how much they were able to pay. I think in the end, they had to pay around 10K.
I don't think they'll try to trick the system. This is just a question they had but I don't think they'll do anything illegal. Guy is a doctor and he won't risk his life/career for anything. They'll rather have the child where its easier for both of them withouth doing anything wrong.
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I think he can definitely buy the visitor's insurance for her if he really wants her to give birth here!! Also, how long is her visitor's visa valid? isn't there a limit to it? once you pass that limit of days, you become illegal so tell her to becareful of her status especially if they will be applying for her to move here.. US embassy will keep track of her staying abroad and one day over, forget getting an immigrant visa ever!
Yeah they've looked into getting private insurance. At this point they are looking at all the options they have. The girl did get a good limit on her stay here.
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Spiral.. its really not that long.. how long have they been married for? On green card, it takes about three years and 1 year with the citizenship! My husband and I were in the same boat and we decided not to have kids until we were in the same country settled! I moved to Pakistan for 8 months after rukhsati but then decided to come back to sponsor my husband and he was here within a year!!
Every country has its own system, whether you agree or not, and you have to follow the protocol if you want to provide the best for your family and in this case it's giving birth in the US while her husband is around.
Why cant the husband go to Pakistan and be with her for a few months? you can stay out of the country on green card for six months!
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I don't agree with this. Actually I don't agree with the law of not being able to have your wife in the U.S on green card (its a very long wait).
We're all entitled to our own opinions and that's ok.
As for the part about whether or not the law is "unfair"......the bottom line is that coming to this country is a privilege. No one has a "right" receive a green card or any other legal status. If someone doesn't like the process....they are more than welcome NOT to apply to live here.
And yes, you're right....the process is long. But guess what....if people didn't do sh*t like coming into this country on a visitor's visa and then giving birth & using the tax payers money to support themselves and their child....perhaps the immigration process wouldn't be so long (this same thing can be said about immigrants...including desis....who do "paper marriages"). Immigrants have no one to blame but other immigrants for the system being so difficult and long.
** For the record....all this is coming from an immigrant. My parents came to the U.S. when I was in 5th grade. We all went through the legal process. We've been blessed that there has never been an emergency that required us to seek care. And even in "normal" situations....we never CHOSE to get "free" services.
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My husband and I were in the same boat and we decided not to have kids until we were in the same country settled!
Wow....props to you & your hubby! Not only about the "same country" part...but more importantly....that you waited until you two were "settled"!
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Spiral.. its really not that long.. how long have they been married for? On green card, it takes about three years and 1 year with the citizenship! My husband and I were in the same boat and we decided not to have kids until we were in the same country settled! I moved to Pakistan for 8 months after rukhsati but then decided to come back to sponsor my husband and he was here within a year!!
Every country has its own system, whether you agree or not, and you have to follow the protocol if you want to provide the best for your family and in this case it's giving birth in the US while her husband is around.
Why cant the husband go to Pakistan and be with her for a few months? you can stay out of the country on green card for six months!
He works here and can't take off.