Girls & Gold save four from gallows....

Why these kind of things happen in pakistan…

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Girls & gold save four from gallows

By Our Correspondent

MIANWALI, July 23: Four murder convicts managed to save themselves from the gallows after agreeing to pay Rs8 million and eight girls of their family as “compensation” to the aggrieved party.

The deal was struck at Abbakhel, 12 kilometres from here, on Tuesday in a mammoth gathering of religious scholars, notables of the district, politicians, and the public.

Sardar Khan, Muhammad Akram Khan, Muhammad Ashraf Khan and Asmatullah Khan were awarded death sentence in a double-murder by the district and sessions judge, Mianwali, in 1988.

After the rejection of their appeals by the superior courts and the president, the convicts and their relatives sought the help of influential people. They approached the Nawab of Kalabagh who yielded considerable influence on the aggrieved camp. The latter demanded Rs12 million in compensation and 20 young girls as per the local tradition called Vani.

But, with the efforts of Malik Asad Khan of Kalabagh, Obaidullah Khan Shadikhel, former MNA, Malik Taj Muhammad Kund, former MPA, Amirabdullah Khan Punnkhel, Mazhar Qayyum of Piplan, Qazi Zafar Hussain, and Sajada Nasheen of Chakrala, the aggrieved party brought down its demand to Rs8 million and eight unmarried young girls.
** One of the girls, who is 18, will be married to an 80-year- old man. **
http://www.dawn.com/2002/07/24/top10.htm

What is the court going to do about it or is this part of our judicial system to buy your way out.

This is DIYAT - sharia based on quran & sunnah:

Holy QURAN[5:45]
We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and WOUNDS equal for equal."

But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.

Holy QURAN [2:178]
O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom.

Here is a question:
Why do you think that the panchayat rape case was not in accordance to the "eye for en Eye" sharia.

You dishonour my sister AND I dishonour yours plus more!

How about the Honour Killings?

**In extreme situation anything can be sanctioned as Islamic sharia.

It all rests with the jurists (learned scholars) who presides over these cases!**

Idiotic interpretations by idiots do not make something sanctioned by religion.

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Originally posted by Fraudz:
*Idiotic interpretations by idiots do not make something sanctioned by religion. *
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I am not quite sure what you are saying.

Such interpretations are nor RANDOM! The sharia laws are replete with such "idiotic" interpretations.

References would be the Hadood laws enforced in Pakistan

The Islamic state of Saudi Arabia, Iran and ex-taleban afghanistan.

According to your 'words of wisdom' they are all idiotic and are not sanctioned by the religion!

How about the two verses listed above:

Are they not 'idiotic' in its literal context?

Talking about “idiotic” here’s the epitome of idiotic:
The hadiths/sunnah as compiled by esteemed scholars on matters of BLood Money or DIYAT:
** http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muwatta/043.mmt.html
**

Ae these sanctioned by the religion?

They are sayings by various people, the autneticity of which is a best Guess even if corraborated by several sources. Some make sense and some dont.

I ignore those that dont make sense, no need to see the religion usaing glasses which may not be the right prescription

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this is very pathetic and sad…wasn’t there any other ‘civiliazed’ way left to handle this problem / dispute…

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God bless u all te these stupid ignorantz and jahilz

DerVaisH


Ai khuda jazba-e-ehsaas na bakhsha hota…
Acha hota ager pather ka tarasha hota…
Waja-e-tehQeer hon insanon mein insan ho ker…
Pather ka hota to inhe insanon ne pooja hota…

So ..we are in business of selling young girls ?

Apparently, google.

It really breaks my heart to read this stuff. I hope that someone knocks sense into their heads soon.

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Originally posted by PyariCgudia:
**Apparently, google.

It really breaks my heart to read this stuff. I hope that someone knocks sense into their heads soon.

**
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Nothing will change until the mass will it so!
And, the mass is equally confused!

Not a good situation, unfortunately!

hafeez123, this case was not tried in a shariah court, so you can expect any outcome. its all in your brain that everything fits where you want it to be.


May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

link http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2151770.stm

Pakistan’s Supreme Court has ordered an investigation into reports that four convicted killers sought to buy their freedom by offering girls in marriage to relatives of their victims.

According to local press reports, the four men had been sentenced to hang for murdering two men in the village of Mianwali in Punjab province in 1988.

The killers eventually cut a deal with the families of the victims to give them eight young girls and more than $130,000 in exchange for a pardon.

Three of the girls were less than 10 years old and the age of the youngest was one-and-a-half.

Islamic laws say convicts can be released if families of their victims accept cash compensation, but payment in women is not allowed.

The deal was reportedly cancelled on the advice of local elders and the four men are due to be executed on Saturday.

Secret deals

Pakistan’s Chief Justice, Sheikh Riaz Ahmed, was quoted in the Dawn daily as saying the case violated the “law of the land and… the norms of the civilised world”.

The country’s Human Rights Commission has also sent a task force to Punjab to launch its own investigation.

Although deals involving women are illegal, human rights lawyer Zia Ahmad Awan told the AFP news agency they were still conducted in secret.

“Often money is paid, but under the table there is a payment by way of women and children,” said Mr Awan, who heads the Karachi-based Lawyers for Human Rights and Legal Aid.

“This is trafficking in women and children… This is a form of slavery. This is a negation of Islamic law,” he was quoted as saying.

A district mayor told the Reuters news agency that teenage daughters of two of the murderers had married two relatives of the victims - one aged 80 and the other 55.

But he said the men divorced the girls later the same day after local elders said the arrangement was unethical.

A local newspaper reporter, however, said the marriages were called off under police pressure.

Abuse

Women’s rights in Pakistan came under international scrutiny earlier this month after a Punjabi woman was gang raped on the orders of a local tribal council.

The gang rape case aroused much anger

The Supreme Court is still investigating the gang rape, ordered because the girl’s brother was seen walking unchaperoned with a woman from another tribe.

Following the case, which sparked outrage at home and abroad, Chief Justice Ahmed summoned the police chief of Punjab, along with other senior provincial officials, to appear before the Supreme Court.

The Human Rights Commission has recently published a report saying that rape and “honour killings” have become widespread in southern Punjab.

The report said more than 150 women were sexually assaulted in the first six months of the year in the area.

There were also about 40 so-called “honour killings”, carried out by men who allege that the behaviour of a woman has brought dishonour to their family.

But the commission said law enforcement agencies were still treating the perpetrators with leniency.


Ai khuda jazba-e-ehsaas na bakhsha hota…
Acha hota ager pather ka tarasha hota…
Waja-e-tehQeer hon insanon mein insan ho ker…
Pather ka hota to inhe insanon ne pooja hota…

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Originally posted by Changez_like:
**hafeez123, this case was not tried in a shariah court, so you can expect any outcome. its all in your brain that everything fits where you want it to be.

**
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Here's a quote from the press report:
"The deal was struck at Abbakhel, 12 kilometres from here, on Tuesday in a mammoth gathering of religious scholars, notables of the district, politicians, and the public.

Need I say more!

^DerVaisH^
Thanks for the link.

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hafeez, that is one of the points I've been trying to make - these so-called religious scholars are no more Islamic than the jaahil corner paanwala aka street romeo.

just because someone starts talking to you about Islam and CLAIMS they're a religious scholar means nothing. These days, even big shot degrees from Islamic universitites dont even mean that you really understand Islam.

Try to diffrentiate between today's muslim, and the real Islam.

This was not decided by religious scholars.
This was a move made owing to their strict adherence to ancient tribal customs of settling their matters in their own ways.

As far as the presence of such inhumane/unreal/unislamic occurences is concerned, its there in virtually every country of the world..in every corner. That does not justify this incident..but what we should look at is not just at what happened, but rather at how much accountability took place in response.

Frankly, if the law does not hold a perpetrator accountable for even a single rupee that he has usurped, that hits the society just as hard…because that brings to light the ineptness of the judiciary. And that in turn, mars the image of Islam, since Islam so ardently preaches justice.

Even though its sad that it took incidents as severe as this one and the Meerwala gangrape case to put pressure on the judiciary to act, but still, at the very least, it serves well to shake up our entire system, and perhaps prompts those in power to shake up this age old unislamic, and illogical tribal system, that has plagued our society for ages now, and has violated all Islamic norms, all the while pretending to be a part of ‘Shariah’.

According to the latest from Dawn, Police had the foresight to intervene in this case, and stop the marriage of the 2 innocent girls to the two old men. Though they could not intervene in time to stop the nikah from taking place, they did manage to extract a divorce from the two men before rukhsati.

Though this is still far from justice, it shows a silver lining in the cloud. A fair and just society is the basis of an Islamic setup. Whether or not we can ever have the guts to install a complete and unaltered Islamic system in our country is a separate question. But so long as we take even one step towards justice, its a step in the right direction, and should draw encouragement and support from us. Our system has failed us to date only because it does not get any kind of cooperation from us, the citizens. We cry foul when someone else goes around the system, yet when its our turn, we do the same. So until we display and act out our full support and cooperation for a fair and just system, we will continue to see such incidents, unfortunately.

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[quote} by PiyariC:
"Try to diffrentiate between today's muslim, and the real Islam" [/quote]

Pls - what is real Islam and where may i find it?

Which fiqh, according to you, practises this real islam that you are asking me to differentiate!

As an example and since you are a women:
What is the real Islam as far as women are concerned and which fiqh practises it?

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from akif:
"This was not decided by religious scholars.
This was a move made owing to their strict adherence to ancient tribal customs of settling their matters in their own ways."
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According to you, all the religious scholars & the notables who had gathered for the deal-making had CONSPIRED against Islam!

The newspaper extract:
"The deal was struck at Abbakhel, 12 kilometres from here, on Tuesday in a mammoth gathering of religious scholars, notables of the district, politicians, and the public.

The diyat or blood monet is a sharia - of this there is no doubt.

Whether the inclusion of women as part of the cash deal can be considered - diyat is the issue here?

Also note: The sharia council when it passes a judgement does take into consideration the local traditions and is the reason why sharia laws are considered "flexible" amongst various jurisdictions of the world!

And, as long as the following status EXISTS for women, then there will always be deals made like the one in question. There will always be honour killings and abuse of women.
1) women are Half of men;
2) Women are like a field to be tilled as seen fit by men;
3) The women are majority in hell;
4) The women must serve their husbands and can be punished for disobeying;
5) etc;

The only way to establish the "real Islam" that piyariC is referring to is to eliminate the above sharia and truly empower the women!

QUESTION:
Can this be accomplished as per the fiqh?

If not then nothing will ever change in Islam! All you two can do is do the talk!

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Originally posted by hafeez123:
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The only way to establish the "real Islam" that piyariC is referring to is to eliminate the above sharia and truly empower the women!

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Originally posted by Different:
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Maybe I should have been a bit more clearer!

we follow fiqhs that have their own laws or interpretations based on quran & hadiths/sunnah!

The fiqhs & its laws should be revised for appropriateness!

By that I mean replacing in the FIQHs the sharia laws or interpretations that represses women with interpretations (sharia) based on progressive verses from quran & hadiths thereby empowering the women and placing them on equal status with the men!