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Originally posted by hafeez123:
** Here's a quote from the press report:
"The deal was struck at Abbakhel, 12 kilometres from here, on Tuesday in a mammoth gathering of religious scholars, notables of the district, politicians, and the public.
Need I say more!
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when did a 'gathering' make up a court? and who knows if they were 'scholars' or molvis?
May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right
and this time no girls and no gold, but it will stay in the family
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Heirs pardon killer father under Qisas law
By Rafaqat Ali
ISLAMABAD, July 26: Zakir Hussain Shah, a resident of Bara Kau locality who had murdered his daughter last month, will be absolved of the charge as his wife and son in their capacity as legal heirs of the deceased have agreed to pardon him under the Qisas and Diyat law.
The Qisas and Diyat law, which was enforced in 1990 on the insistence of the then chief justice Mohammad Afzal Zullah, is being massively abused. Under the law, murdering a family member virtually carries no punishment as the other family members have the right to pardon the killer.
The Qisas law has changed the nature of the crime. Before the introduction of this law, murdering a person was crime against the state but now it is against the person. The heirs have powers to pardon the murderer.
Zakir had slit the throat of 18-year-old Sabiha on June 26 at Dhoke Khayam on suspicion that she had become pregnant. The matter was reported to the Bara Kau police by her maternal uncle, Ibrar Hussain Shah. Ibrar had stated that ** Zakir had murdered Sabiha after tying her with charpoy .**
**Zakir disappeared from the scene with the knife and later obtained pre-arrest bail from the sessions court of Islamabad. He has since returned home and is now living with his wife and son. He had submitted a compromise deed on behalf of his wife and son. **
The police presented the challan in the court of the district and sessions judge, and the case is slated to be taken up on Saturday. The court would have no option except to verify from the heirs whether they had pardoned him or not. If the response is in affirmative, the matter ends there and the murderer father would be a free man like he was one month back.
The main argument for the enforcement of the Qisas law was that it would have deterrence effects on society and the homicide would decrease.
**Twelve years after its enforcement, the law is being misused to the extent that people now commit homicide with impunity, especially in family. **
Justice Munir A. Sheikh, senior puisne judge of the Supreme Court, has been observing time and again that after the introduction of the Qisas law, the crime rate has increased. Recently, he asked Jamaat-i-Islami lawyers during the course of Riba case to state whether the murders had decreased. When the counsel had no answer, Justice Sheikh said his experience as a judge of the high court and the apex court was that now people murdered with impunity.
** In another case, a had killed his four sisters in Mardan when they demanded share in the ancestral property. The mother, who was the legal heir of the deceased girls, pardoned the son and the case ended then and there. Similarly, a man in Sargodha opened fire on his family members, resulting in death of his two daughters. His wife and other daughters, wounded in the shooting, pardoned the murderer as they were the legal heirs of the deceased. **
http://www.dawn.com/2002/07/27/top9.htm
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In this thread I posed this question:
Are honour-killings a result of the sharia of "EYE for an EYE" or qisas?
In this QisAS or Eye for an Eye - the penalty is always decided by the relatives and they may even forgive the criminal!
"Twelve years after its)Hadood & QisAs) enforcement, the law is being misused to the extent that people now commit homicide with impunity, especially in family."
Do read the following:
Heirs pardon killer father under Qisas law
By Rafaqat Ali
ISLAMABAD, July 26: Zakir Hussain Shah, a resident of Bara Kau locality who had murdered his daughter last month, will be absolved of the charge as his wife and son in their capacity as legal heirs of the deceased have agreed to pardon him under the Qisas and Diyat law.
The Qisas and Diyat law, which was enforced in 1990 on the insistence of the then chief justice Mohammad Afzal Zullah, is being massively abused. **Under the law, murdering a family member virtually carries no punishment as the other family members have the right to pardon the killer.
The Qisas law has changed the nature of the crime. Before the introduction of this law, murdering a person was crime against the state but now it is against the person. The heirs have powers to pardon the murderer.**
Zakir had slit the throat of 18-year-old Sabiha on June 26 at Dhoke Khayam on suspicion that she had become pregnant. The matter was reported to the Bara Kau police by her maternal uncle, Ibrar Hussain Shah. Ibrar had stated that Zakir had murdered Sabiha after tying her with charpoy.
Zakir disappeared from the scene with the knife and later obtained pre-arrest bail from the sessions court of Islamabad. He has since returned home and is now living with his wife and son. He had submitted a compromise deed on behalf of his wife and son.
The police presented the challan in the court of the district and sessions judge, and the case is slated to be taken up on Saturday. The court would have no option except to verify from the heirs whether they had pardoned him or not. If the response is in affirmative, the matter ends there and the murderer father would be a free man like he was one month back.
The main argument for the enforcement of the Qisas law was that it would have deterrence effects on society and the homicide would decrease.
*Twelve years after its enforcement, the law is being misused to the extent that people now commit homicide with impunity, especially in family. *
Justice Munir A. Sheikh, senior puisne judge of the Supreme Court, has been observing time and again that after the introduction of the Qisas law, the crime rate has increased. Recently, he asked Jamaat-i-Islami lawyers during the course of Riba case to state whether the murders had decreased. When the counsel had no answer, Justice Sheikh said his experience as a judge of the high court and the apex court was that now people murdered with impunity.
In another case, a had killed his four sisters in Mardan when they demanded share in the ancestral property. The mother, who was the legal heir of the deceased girls, pardoned the son and the case ended then and there. Similarly, a man in Sargodha opened fire on his family members, resulting in death of his two daughters. His wife and other daughters, wounded in the shooting, pardoned the murderer as they were the legal heirs of the deceased.
Girl wants Wani custom abolished
By Khursheed Anwar Niazi
MIANWALI, July 26: The 18-year-old student, one of the six girls of Abbakhel village rescued by the administration from the age-old ‘Wani’ tradition, demanded on Friday eradication of this social malaise.
Talking to provincial law minister Rana Ijaz Ahmad, Waziraan Khatoon, the FA student, said she had agreed to marry Ata Muhammad, nearly 80, just to save the life of her father and other accused.
Hailing the role of the government, she said the Punjab governor had intervened timely and set a precedence by saving the girls from becoming scapegoats. The girl was all praise for the press which, she said, played its best role in giving the issue its due.
The girl requested the minister to help reduce the Diyat of Rs8 million as the family had become pauper after selling their lands and valuables.
The law minister expressed his inability to resolve the monetary strife, claiming the matter had already been settled.
When contacted, the girl’s mother Sardaran Khatoon, lying on bed due to paralysis, told this correspondent that she was elated at seeing her daughter rescued. She said she made the decision with a heavy heart only to save lives of her husband and others. “After all, no mother could take such a decision willingly,” said the relieved mother.
Meanwhile, the Abbakhel village, some 12km from here on the Mianwali-Talagang Road, wore a happy look on Friday. The government high-ups, rights activists and newsmen came in hordes and smelt an air of relief.
Later talking to newsmen, the law minister said the government was mulling over making a law for the eradication of the ‘Wani’ tradition.
Grooms, Ata Mohammad Khan, 80, and Mehr Khan, 55, were found missing when the newsmen tried to take their version.
This correspondent interviewed one of the convicts’ brother, whose two minor daughters, Iqra and Ifra, were among the girls to be handed over as compensation. “Although, I dislike the tradition, I took the decision to save my dear ones,” he said.
Complainant Abdullah Khan, son of slain Noor Khan, told this correspondent that he had confirmed the pardon of the four accused after getting Rs8 million Diyat. He said his camp had forgiven the six girls.
To a question, he said his uncle Ata Muhammad Khan was a ‘strict man’ and he made such demands (for girls) to make life tough for the arbitrators. On the accused party’s request, he claimed they accepted Rs8 million and 12 girls as ‘Wani.’
He claimed he forgave his share of six girls but his uncle insisted on getting girls. On the demand and then getting high compensation which is against the tradition of the area, he claimed they had done all to uproot the old enmity and to become brothers again.
He said he had become penniless after spending Rs5 to 6 million for the murder case pending with the court for the last 18 years, adding the compensation money would come in handy for him in the hour of trial, he claimed.
On the barbaric tradition, Abdullah said it had turned a number of rivalries into blood relations. He claimed the marriage of two girls was a mismatch. However, he said the chapter was now closed once and for all.
A majority of the people in the village called for a permanent end to the tradition.
from www.dawn.com
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DerVaisH
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Acha hota ager pather ka tarasha hota…
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Pather ka hota to inhe insanon ne pooja hota…
Hafeez, the following you posted:
1) women are Half of men;
2) Women are like a field to be tilled as seen fit by men;
3) The women are majority in hell;
4) The women must serve their husbands and can be punished for disobeying;
5) etc;
Please give me some evidence of why you think women are 1/2 of men. Because, as is evident, we’re not.
Okay, I know which Quranic verse you’re talking about. HOwever, like many many other verses in the Quran, this verse cant be analyzed alone to mean that a woman must give into her husbands desires. There are rules and regulations, which are futher explained in the Quran. No harm is to be done to a woman - and if a woman doesn’t want to have sex with her husband for WHATEVER reason, he needs to respect her on that and work with her, not force himself on her. I’ll dig up some verses to help you see that clearly as well.
This is a BIG misconception. I’ll provide the link for you if you wish, but you’ll see a GREAT explanation debunking this theory in the article I posted under Husnain’s thread “Dear PyariCgudia”. I hope you got a chance to read it. Its very enlightening for those who think Islam degrades women.
women must serve their husbands? This is a vague statement. Please expand further as in what type of serving. If you mean taking care of kids - then biologically its proven how integral a woman’s care is for a developing child. If you mean cooking and cleaning - nowhwere does it say that ONLY the woman must do this. If her husband is nice enough, he can pitch in and help her out. There is no pabundi on a helping husband. Also, you’ve got to keep in mind that the husband bears the sole responsibility of providing for the family - so the woman ought to have a responsibility as well, otherwise women would have MORE rights than men.
As for child labor - well that is balanced with the various other rights women have - such as having the CHOICE of taking up a career without having to worry about wages, etc.
Punishment for disobeying…? Yes, there is a verse in the Quran for lightly slapping a wife upto mischief. But disobeying? I’m thinking you mean like disagreeing with a decision, or yelling at her husband, and the like…in that case, I’d like to share with you an incident the local maulvi told us about – I dont recall the names of the people involved, but it goes something like this:
There was a man whose wife would yell at him a lot - she was frustrated with stuff i guess - and this man was troubled as to how to deal with his wife Islamically. So he went to the Ameer or Caliph or whatever, to ask him for advice. When he got to the Ameer’s house, he heard the Ameer’s wife yelling at the Ameer. The poor man felt discouraged thinking “how will he have an answer for me - he’s got the same problem on his hands?”. The Ameer saw the man turn away from his house, and he stepped out and called to him. When the man explained his problem to the Ameer - do you know what the Ameer said?
He said, “well, my wife cooks my food for me, and takes care of the kids, and cleans the home - she does all these FAVORS for me, that I repay her with patience by listening to her yelling so she can vent her stress”.
Now, he could have said “well, I slap her around”. But he didn’t.
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