Re: Getting your eyebrows done..
Gina.. as whats been said above ( deeba )... apparently removing eyebrows is deemed "haraam" .....Ive always known that but not really applied it to myself.. being around Emirates.. they believe this to be true and also see the eyebrows as a form of beauty... they also dont remove them- instead they bleach them as u say.....hence there are many Arab women walking around with monobrows and bleached brows!!!
Re: Getting your eyebrows done..
I have thick eyebrows. i have never made them very thin or changed the shape drastically. but i am sure my current eyebrows shape is prolly not my original shape 
Okay but how about if you shape them coz you want to look good for your husband? :halo:
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^then its allowed but you cant show to other men. thats what i have read ..
ive thick eyebrows aswell and i just groom them and pluck those that are out of shape but dont really change the shape.. i feel i really got to do this cuz otherwise it looks really bad :(
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If removing your hair is part of changing Allah's creation then what about the pubic hair?
Prophet(SAW) prohibited removing of the eye brows not shaping/tidying of them.
Bleaching your eye brows and moustache just looks horrible.
^ That’s exactly what I thought. The prostitutes during Prophet (saw) time used to completely remove their eyebrows and then draw them back on. So, I thought it was haram to completely shave off your brows and then draw them back on because you were doing something that was a sign of prostitution at the time.
I’ve heard a similar thing about dying your hair jet black as well, does anyone know why dying your hair black is considered haram by some? Why the colour black in particular? 
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hareem, you know that pubic hair is mentioned separately and in a separate context, that being for cleanliness.
so you cannot use that in your argument.
it would be helpful if someone could actually refer to authentic hadith or some other source that (a) only total removal is prohibited and (b) it was only prostitutes that practised this.
It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah said: “Allaah has cursed the women who do tattoos and those who ask for tattoos to be done, those who ask for their **eyebrows **to be plucked, and the women ask for their teeth to be filed for the purpose of beautification, changing the creation of Allaah.” A woman from the tribe of Bani Asad whose name was Umm Ya’qoob heard of that and she came and said, “I have heard that you have cursed So and so and So and so.” He said, “Why should I not curse those whom the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed and who are mentioned in the Book of Allaah?’ She said, “I have read what is between the two covers [of the Qur’aan], and I did not find anything in it like what you have said.” He said, “If you have read it, have you not read that Allaah says, ‘And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad) gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)’
[al-Hashr 59:7]?”
She said, “Of course.” He said, “He forbade that.” She said, “I think your wife does it.” He said, “Go and look.” So she went and looked and she did not see what she was looking for. He said, “If she had been like that, she would not be with us.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4604; Muslim, 2125
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Plucking eyebrows:
Plucking unibrow:
Cleaning eyebrows:
Generally the scholars say there are three types of hair. Firstly, the hair we are supposed to remove, such as the pubic and underarm hair. Secondly, the hair we are not to remove, such as the eyebrows, or for a woman to shave all her head. And lastly, the air that nothing is said about -arms, legs etc, which is permissible to be removed for beautification [although some scholars say no hair should be removed, neither from any part of the face nor from the body, but other scholars say its al-nams is just referring to eyebrows, rest of the hair can be removed if needed]
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midnighteyes - i've read many translations of that same hadith, some that use the word 'eyebrows' and some that don't.
^ You're right. The wording in Arabic is al-nams, which some say refers to removing the eyebrows, and some say to all facial hair
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anyway, i'm just playing 'devil's advocate'. we grew up with heavily deobandi influenced teachings and according to hanafi scholars as Niksik pointed out, shaping the eyebrows is forbidden.
but it does bring up an important point that one cannot go by translations alone and the need for proper scholars who have a deeper understanding.
hareem, you know that pubic hair is mentioned separately and in a separate context, that being for cleanliness.
so you cannot use that in your argument.
it would be helpful if someone could actually refer to authentic hadith or some other source that (a) only total removal is prohibited and (b) it was only prostitutes that practised this.
My argument is that removing or plucking hair is not "changing the creation of Allah" because hair ALWAYS grow back.
It might be haram or disliked for other reasons in Prophet's time like prostitutes doing it etc. Notice that the hadith midnight posted is not directly coming from the Prophet(SAW). Prophet cursed those who change the creation of Allah (the ayah related to this topic is also in Quran), or may be midnight eyes can find us a hadith where Prophet(SAW) said "plucking hair is changing the creation of Allah".
Re: Getting your eyebrows done..
Actually hareem, eyebrows are one of the few places on the body where hair can very easily stop growing back with continued plucking.
It's quite a common complaint from women getting electrolysis that the electrologist messed up the shape of the eyebrow and the hair isn't coming back at all (after single treatments)! Whereas elsewhere on the face, it will take multiple treatments of the same follicle to destroy it completely.
I noted all the other thing you mentioned hence my questions which have still been unanswered (nor do I expect anyone here to have the knowledge to answer them). Also, I don't read anywhere the link between plucking hair and changing the creation as a justification.
Actually hareem, eyebrows are one of the few places on the body where hair can very easily stop growing back with continued plucking.
It's quite a common complaint from women getting electrolysis that the electrologist messed up the shape of the eyebrow and the hair isn't coming back at all (after single treatments)! Whereas elsewhere on the face, it will take multiple treatments of the same follicle to destroy it completely.
I noted all the other thing you mentioned hence my questions which have still been unanswered (nor do I expect anyone here to have the knowledge to answer them).
I dn't know about electrolysis but with common plucking hair grow back within a week.
Also, I don't read anywhere the link between plucking hair and changing the creation as a justification.
Well, most scholars always give this reason for not plucking the hair, even in that hadith midnight posted the Sahabi(ra) gave three examples of changing the creation, one was plucking the eyebrows(if he was referring to Quranic Ayah that talks about people who change Allah's creation are satanic).
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I mentioned electrolysis as an example. It's well known that plucking of eyebrow hairs can often cause them to stop growing back, as I said, it's one of the few body areas where this happens.
I mentioned electrolysis as an example. It's well known that plucking of eyebrow hairs can often cause them to stop growing back, as I said, it's one of the few body areas where this happens.
No, it's rare.
Anyway, in real world, you'll find many great scholars of today talking about hijab and modest clothing but you're not gonna find any great scholar talking about shaping eyebrows being haram or halal because in today's society it's a non issue so just wear modest clothes and do your salah.
No, it's rare.
Anyway, in real world, you'll find many great scholars of today talking about hijab and modest clothing but you're not gonna find any great scholar talking about shaping eyebrows being haram or halal because in today's society it's a non issue so just wear modest clothes and do your salah.
No, it's not rare. I'm positive that you didn't even know this until I mentioned it. Might be less common in asian/middle eastern women as they usually have much thicker, denser growth and therefore stronger follicles.
And you don't need great scholars of today rehashing it, if great scholars of the past have already come to a conclusion. The only point is to understand why and how they came to that conclusion.
You also miss the point that regardless of what people are currently doing or not doing, it doesn't change what is right/wrong, has been prescribed/not prescribed and the importance of maintaining correct knowledge in regards to it. If we all continue along that (your) vein of thought, just watch everything about Islam other than the basics disappear from general knowledge.
No, it's not rare. I'm positive that you didn't even know this until I mentioned it. Might be less common in asian/middle eastern women as they usually have much thicker, denser growth and therefore stronger follicles.
And you don't need great scholars of today rehashing it, if great scholars of the past have already come to a conclusion. The only point is to understand why and how they came to that conclusion.
You also miss the point that regardless of what people are currently doing or not doing, it doesn't change what is right/wrong, has been prescribed/not prescribed and the importance of maintaining correct knowledge in regards to it. If we all continue along that (your) vein of thought, just watch everything about Islam other than the basics disappear from general knowledge.
Yes you're right, you're the first person who said plucking your eyebrows make your hair disappear gradually, this didn't happen to me or all the women I know, infact, their hair grew back thicker, but if you fear that you're gonna become hairless then don't do it but don't make it the basis for calling it haram for others coz it doesn't apply to all women.
Different fiqhs not only have different opinions on certain issues but also they can make changes to it sometimes, for example, if shaping eyebrows was disliked by the Prophet(SAW) coz of the reason that it was done by prostitutes(btw we don't know what exactly those prostitutes did to their eyebrows), it can't be applied today because majority of women do it these days and consider it normal and part of beautification.
Going by your logic we can't even show our both eyes in public and all type of music is haram. Yes, it's in Hanafi fiqh that all type of musical instruments are haram but modern day scholars allow classical music or music in nasheeds. Also, at one stage, niqab was made obligatory. So sometimes fiqh changes according to the condition of the people living in a society. It's better not to do shaping or plucking but it's not haram to do it(may be disliked but not haram).
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Just because I am the first person you have heard say this, it doesn't make it less true. It's well known (for those who know about body hair and it's removal; i think i'm the GS resident expert on this topic). Anywhere else on the face and one will get increased or thicker growth due to plucking (or any kind of root removal). The eyebrow area is different in that the follcies are shallower, not effective by hormones and scar tissue from plucking builds up more easily, which can stop hair production. As I said, it's probably less common in Asian/Middle eastern women with thicker/denser hair but it's not rare. You can confirm this by googling - eyebrow restoration is a common cosmetic procedure.
Therefore, I did not use this is a basis for saying it was haram; I am simply correcting your statement about the result of plucking this area.
In fact, I have not given my personal opinion on this topic (is it haram?), anywhere in this thread. Nor have I mentioned what I do or don't do.
If anything, I have tried to show that there is not enough commonly available evidence or scholarly opinion to make a statement either way, other than the Hanafi view. So one does wonder how you can also come to your conclusion of "It's better not to do shaping or plucking but it's not haram to do it(may be disliked but not haram)." Simply it's best left as we do not know.
Just because I am the first person you have heard say this, it doesn't make it less true. It's well known (for those who know about body hair and it's removal; i think i'm the GS resident expert on this topic). Anywhere else on the face and one will get increased or thicker growth due to plucking (or any kind of root removal). The eyebrow area is different in that the follcies are shallower, not effective by hormones and scar tissue from plucking builds up more easily, which can stop hair production. As I said, it's probably less common in Asian/Middle eastern women with thicker/denser hair but it's not rare. You can confirm this by googling - eyebrow restoration is a common cosmetic procedure.
Therefore, I did not use this is a basis for saying it was haram; I am simply correcting your statement about the result of plucking this area.
In fact, I have not given my personal opinion on this topic (is it haram?), anywhere in this thread. Nor have I mentioned what I do or don't do.
If anything, I have tried to show that there is not enough commonly available evidence or scholarly opinion to make a statement either way, other than the Hanafi view. So one does wonder how you can also come to your conclusion of "It's better not to do shaping or plucking but it's not haram to do it(may be disliked but not haram)." Simply it's best left as we do not know.
I didn't say it's ot true but I've never experienced this. Anyway, it says it's caused by constant plucking(like doing it every other day) there are many tips on internet which tel you to how to do it corectly to reduce the chances of hairloss and then there are other ways to restore as you mentioned, Miss
GS resident expert . lol
I've already described as why I came to this conclusion.
Simply it's best left as we do not know
Exactly.
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"I dn't know about electrolysis but with common plucking hair grow back within a week."
I didn't say it's ot true but I've never experienced this. Anyway, it says it's caused by constant plucking(like doing it every other day) there are many tips on internet which tel you to how to do it corectly to reduce the chances of hairloss and then there are other ways to restore as you mentioned, Miss GS resident expert . lol
Yes, I am "Miss GS resident expert" in regards to hair removal. At least all the people who pm me on regular basis think so. It's not really a lol-ing matter :)
Now that you have googled and think that you know, I'd like to correct you further and tell you it's not just constant plucking. Unless constant is the same as regular. Over the years, with regular plucking (waxing,threading) and enough scar tissue built up, the follicles will stop producing hair. Parts of the lower leg with shallow hairs also experience the same and I think you will find plenty of girls (even on here) who are regular waxers, who will have noted this.