Getting rid of seculars

system · September 20, 2007, 8:10am

Its been a while that secular minded people in Pakistan have openly come out in media and government. I consider it treason. A country created in the name of Islam has no place for such people. They can go to India. The question is will India accept these Western wannabes…

Their way of talking, their dress and their writings all show extremism. You name it…any issue related to Islam, they will come out with so violently to defame Islam and speak openly against its laws. If they are given a chance they will bring out a new version of Quran (which by the way is impossible since its protected by Allah)…

Anyway, coming to the point, how can this menace be controlled? How can they be corrected… IS Turkey the example? where these seculars darkened degenerates have even banned our sisters from wearing head scarves. They would go at any extent and stand up against anything Islamic. They are extremist in the East and West because they do not respect personal freedoms and choices.
If majority in Pakistan want shariah to be their law, they will still come naked in streets shouting out loud about saving their way of life..

Another example of their extremist behavior is that in media and even here on GS they come out and declare anyone who advocates shariah as a person who belongs to alkaeda… They call anybody who talks about Islam as binladennns follower. How sick is their mentality. They think this way they can make the other side quiet , because that is how their masters fool the whole world.

So I say …we stand up to these fools and hold free and fair elections and bring real democracy. That is the way out. These seculars have no backing amongst the majority of people. You even have Turkey as an example…They can be defeated if we can cut their support from their masters sitting in West. SO the way out is fair elections and free judiciary.

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Ok now i am tired of writing and have to eat at iftar…Till then … goodbye.

Mostar95 · September 20, 2007, 8:16am

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Islam does not offer any polictical and economic system. And Pakistan was created for muslims and not for imposition of so called Islamic system.

system · September 20, 2007, 8:18am

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Wrong and baseless...

There are millions of Muslim in India..... What justifies leaving them alone... and dividing India..

Islam offers a complete way of life. Its a deen not a religion. I know you won't listen maybe because you don't want to... Thats fine... Even a child can see the system in Quran and sunnah.

Next secular....

Flame_of_Life · September 20, 2007, 8:19am

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errr..I am all for secularism myself but even with my limited religious knowledge, I think ur statement is incorrect.

Mostar95 · September 20, 2007, 8:22am

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Did any of the muslims ruler who ruled the sub-continent impose the Islamic system except Aurangzeb?

Either Muslims were not willing to live under Hindu rule or Hindus being in majority were not tolerant enough to accept Muslims. Anyway Pakistan was by no means created for imposition of Islam.

Islamic system demised at the end of 2nd period of Khilafat.

system · September 20, 2007, 8:24am

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Correct... No wonder we are in a mess today.... They were all fools , building palaces and harams and what not...all ayyashi....so that explains why Muslim India was not able to match the British or even the Ottomans.

Mostar95 · September 20, 2007, 8:24am

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Yes it has a primitive calender which do not go alongwith the seasons and you can not implement it in your daily life except holding ramadan etc.

system · September 20, 2007, 8:25am

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Bringing you back to the topic...how do we get rid of seculars...Oops i asked a secular....

Mostar95 · September 20, 2007, 8:26am

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Islam is only best for your personal life and not running for your state affairs.

Mostar95 · September 20, 2007, 8:27am

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Sucide bombing! The best you can do.

system · September 20, 2007, 8:28am

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Wrong again....Its not primitive at all.. Its so just and fair..... ISlam is a universal religion and for the whole humanity living in all parts of the world..

Bacha jee....you know that dunya gooal hai... Right and it has different seasons... So justice demands that I do not get my ramadan in summers all my life while you living in anchorage always get your ramadan in cold weather... That is why everyone gets a taste of these months in all seasons....

Hope that simple to understand......

system · September 20, 2007, 8:30am

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There you go... You didn't take too long...to show your real self.... I officially declare now that all seculars can fall to your level and talk about suicide which my Islam does not allow.

You really do prove what i said... in my first post.

Hey check the stats.... There are secular nations that have bombed millions and killed humanity all in the name of freedom...

Mostar95 · September 20, 2007, 8:31am

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What about your brothers in Malaysia and Indonesia where weather never changes? All 12 months - summer and summer.

What about Nairobi and Quito - all the year winter and winter!

Reza_Pahlavi · September 20, 2007, 8:32am

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Our nation's founder Quaid-e-Azam and much of the Pakistan movement was secular. So what would you have done to them?

system · September 20, 2007, 8:33am

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So by the same argument you tell me first how is the other calender not primitive?

Mostar95 · September 20, 2007, 8:34am

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With your mind closed, you can never progress! Progress enough to beat the seculars, so you can only steel the methods to get yourself and us killed.

system · September 20, 2007, 8:35am

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Wrong... They were not....

There are countless speeches of the quaid about what we were supposed to be...

but then...

I am not discussing it on your terms....

You don't even have to contribute in this thread....

Let me remind you the question....

How can we have free and fair elections... and have real democracy ..

By getting rid of Mush and gang.

Mostar95 · September 20, 2007, 8:35am

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Dear you are running short of arguments. Solar based calender are the best for this earth.

system · September 20, 2007, 8:36am

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How about you seculars progress and make a good society and a utopia that you have badly failed in creating. You have put the whole world on fire. Its a secular fitna not an Islamic one.

system · September 20, 2007, 8:41am

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I think the Turkish strategy is the best in getting rid of seculars.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called for the lifting of a ban on women wearing headscarves at state universities.

Mr Erdogan told the UK’s Financial Times the ban was depriving some women of the right to higher education.

The PM’s Islamist-rooted AK Party began drafting a new constitution after its landslide election victory in July.

The separation of religion and state enshrined in the current constitution is one of the key issues in the debate.

Separately, US Under-Secretary of State Nicholas Burns has arrived in Turkey for talks.

He is expected to discuss tensions over Iran’s nuclear programme and possible operations against Kurdish rebel forces when he meets Mr Erdogan late on Wednesday.

Symbol

Mr Erdogan told the Financial Times that resolving the headscarf issue was a priority.

“The right to higher education cannot be restricted because of what a girl wears,” he said.

“There is no such problem in Western societies, but there is a problem in Turkey and I believe it is the first duty of those in politics to solve this problem.”

Mr Erdogan has been supported by President Abdullah Gul, a member of the AK Party until his election as head of state last month.

Mr Gul told the Milliyet newspaper: “It is much better for [women who are covered] to go to university than to stay home and be isolated from social life.”

The wives and daughters of both men wear the headscarf.

Turkey’s secularist forces, including military and judicial leaders, oppose any moves they see as eroding the nation’s secular system.

The headscarf has become a symbol of the threat to the continued separation of state governance and religion.

The university ban on headscarves was upheld in 2005 in the European Court of Human Rights, which said it might be needed to safeguard the secular order.

Mr Erdogan has always said his government will respect the separation.

Summer of turmoil

The current constitution evolved from the 1980 military coup and many politicians want to redraw it to bring it more into line with current standards of democracy.

“We want a constitution that is going to provide and protect a state that is a democratic, secular, social state of law,” Mr Erdogan told the Financial Times.

Turkey endured a summer of political turmoil with secularist politicians organising mass demonstrations to try to block Mr Gul’s presidential bid.

The stand-off triggered the snap elections in July.

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I think gradually turkey will be able to achieve this goal.

This is what i meant by secular extremism… If this menace is not faced in Pakistan it could make life for ordinary Pakistanis hell…

keeping in view the kind of corrupt people Mush has gathered around him…it only proves that seculars are usually corrupt and have no ethics.