Getting a place of your own

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Personal attacks, here we go again.

I have heard the equality BS ad nauseam now. You are a radical feminist.

Yes it would have been absolutely great if things were like you imagine them to be. There are numerous stories of women on GS alone who are struggling to survive in their home because no matter what they do its not good enough for their husbands and their family. If they were feminists like you, they would have left their husbands long ago.

Do you think such women are allowed to visit their parents whenever they feel like? Do you think these women will not be questioned by their husbands if they financially help their parents? I know husbands have no right over their wife's money, but can you really reason with such irrational people?

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Nvm.

Sorry if u felt i was personally attacking u... it was meant light-heartedly.

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If we set out to change the mindset, it will slowly evolve. Yes, as of now most daughters are not able to keep their parents with them but slowly it is changing. My own mamoon ( Uncle) has two sons. He lived with one of them, ( the other lives in another city and they don't see eye to eye). He was fine with the son he lived with but lacked much social interaction with the family. One of his married daughters brought him home and no, her husband has no objections. Even though both my mamoon and his daughter's in laws are very very traditional. I guess it helps that my cousin with whom my mamoon lives is working now plus her husband is a very nice man.

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Agree with you. A cousin of mine moved abroad after his wedding, and his mom has no plans of living with him. She keeps herself occupied here. When she gets bored she stays with her daughter.

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Har Marz ki aik dawa toh nhi hoti…

And…people are trying to sleep here…:cobra:

:stuck_out_tongue:

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We're always saying how our females are strong, yet they can't have a life if their son(s) leave home? Why should the happiness of any female only depend on her husband or her son? They should all add happiness to each others lives, but not be the only source of it. After all, a female is a person with her own mind and opinions and interests.

If living together works, enjoy it. If it doesn't, it shouldn't be a problem when children move out. Yes, I have a son and know how it feels when your children leave home. Mine haven't yet, but I know the day is coming when they will ask me if they may. Why shouldn't they?

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old parents don't think like that. I would be on board with my kids but I know my parents would have a hard time. Old folks are not much accepting of this idea.

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I don't know anyone who hands their parents cash and sees them once a month. I am a woman and I don't even do that. WHO does that? And if they do then it has nothing to do with the bahu because its NOT her problem. Its her husband's issue and will fall squarely on his shoulders because they are HIS parents. Taking care of them is HIS job and if HE does not want to then he has no right to impose them on his wife. Simple. This has nothing to do with women - it has to do with men stepping up.

Once you're married you'll understand how this actually works. I understand where you're coming from because I was also there once and felt the same way. I felt bad for my own parents and never wanted to see the day I left them.

But Alhumdulillah...they're better now than they were when I was there. When I was there, they were worried about me. Now, they are invited to our places. They don't have to cook or entertain. They are entertained. They go to their kids' places and stay for a while. They are independent and you DO want that for your parents. You want them to be independent and strong for as long as possible because its necessary for us as human beings to be able to function.

How would you feel if you had to ask someone to do every little thing for you? How would you feel if you could not go places, take care of yourself, etc without the help of someone else?

Dependence is NOT to be confused with Khidmat.

I do. I look after my parents. After I got married, I saw them no less than 2-3 times a week just to check up on them. I called them every single day...sometimes twice a day if there was something important. I just moved out of state and guess what? I am moving my mom in 2-3 months here. She will have her own place but I won't just leave her alone even if she does have 3 other daughters. Sabki zimmidari hoti hai...not just the son's. If you have a brother and you feel that since he's a boy it absolves YOU from taking care of your parents, you're wrong. You have a responsibility towards them no matter what.

My nana (may Allah swt rest his soul in peace) used to bathe and feed his mother himself in her old age because he didn't think it was anyone else's job but his own. Yes, he had sisters and yes my nani lived with her saas.

If you have an issue with them system - change it. BE the change you want to see. And if you cannot find the courage to be that change, then you have no right to complain.

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Its great that you look after your parents so well, and its great that your ILs and your husband dont have any issues with it.

Unfortunately, not all girls are that lucky. They cant visit their parents whenever they feel like, they have to seek permission from their husbands/ILs.

My friend's MIL is trying her level best to accept the fact that her son has left. She regularly visits them, and cooks food for them so that my friend wont have to cook (since she just had a baby). But she still breaks down sometimes. My friend's sister told me that she was talking to her MIL and she was acting all brave and said she is fine etc but she started crying all of a sudden and disconnected the call.

Should I now go and lecture her on dependence, independence, responsibilities, feminism, etc?

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If a grown women starts crying because she can’t even get through a phone conversation with her dil because she misses her son so much, despite the fact she still sees them regularly, then yes, I would say she has problems lol.

And this is precisely what I have pointed out in my previous posts. The times have changed. Most women who are on the cusp of becoming mil’s no longer are sheltered and solely dependent. They have lives of their own and activities and responsibilities and careers that keep them occupied enough that they don’t need there sona puttar on a pedestal in front of their eyes 24/7.

I’m sorry your friends mil or whoever is having separation anxiety, but she seems to be making things worse for herself and honestly is going to be in the minority soon.

And yes, I was “lucky” enough to see my parents whenever I wanted for however long I wanted. I was also “lucky” enough to spend 2 months by my father’s side as he died from cancer while my husband stayed back home to care for our 3 kids by himself. Koi mujhay rohknay ki koshish karkay dhikai lol. :chai:

“Luck” has nothing to do with it. Like Reha said, be the change you want to see in the world.

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The topic was never intended to be about equal rights and responsibilities to begin with. The main concern is making sure your parents dont end up alone in their old age. Dont get mired in the futile debate about equal rights and stuff. If you can look after your parents after your marriage, you do it. If your brothers can manage well, let them do it. If you all can do it, great. Just dont leave your parents in a baghbaan like situation lol.

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** Koi mujhay rohknay ki koshish karkay dhikai lol. :chai: **:biggthumb:
I honestly wish all women were like you.

Luck and personality both matter. If you have supportive, caring and understanding in laws, then yes you are lucky that you ended up with people like them, and not some weirdos who set up their dils on fire for giving birth to a daughter or for not making round roti or whatever.

For instance, you are lucky you did not end up with someone like him lol:
Man killed wife for making vegetarian dinner: prosecutors | New York Post

As for as my friend’s dil, who is guilty of crying, I am sorry feelings dont work that way. They are pretty well off people, she has lots of friends, but she still misses her son, dil, and their child. Sue her.

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Yes…if you’re so concerned about her then talk to her and show her some hope. Show her that her life doesn’t have to feel or be empty and that she has lots of things she can do. What is wrong with that?

Missing is one thing and very natural. But is she married? Isn’t her husband also someone’s son?

And why doesn’t she miss her daughters?

Social work is an option, a job, starting a non-profit, babysitting if she loves kids that much, going back to school to take some extra courses, going to the gym, etc etc etc. These are all things people do when they find themselves in the same boat.

I will be there too one day and I don’t want to be that woman who sits home and focuses on what my DIL and son are doing…I want to be too busy for that.

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cant talk to her about this. not close to her.

Most probably because she doesnt have any.

I dont think a 60+ woman will be interested in gyming, baby sitting, or going to college.

Me neither. But I guess our generation is like that. Most of us have careers, and we wont mind our kids moving out, as much as a woman whose life centred around her kids.

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^ That's the thing though. Do people think being 60+ makes a human being irrelevant? Incompetent? Or that they couldn't possibly have any other interests aside from Allah Allah?

My mom is 60+...she goes to the gym 3-4 days a week in the mornings (more often than me). Going to college or taking classes is something people here do a lot...its not uncommon at all for someone in the 60's to be taking refresher courses or classes for fun to learn something new. One of my ex-colleagues used to take cooking classes of different kinds at or our local community college - just because. He was about 55 or so.

I hope my mom never gets to a point in life where she feels like she can't do something or she's too old.