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and so far much better then musharraf as well, who may i remind also made a promise of handing over the power and hasnt done so yet. so why is musharraf cool , lemme think oh yes because his favourite band is junoon, seriously guys grow up!
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Wise, Musharraf never said he will conduct elections within 90 days when he took power. 'it is my solemn pledge to hold free and fair elections'. And seriously, please grow some balls to post from your real nick.
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3 years if memory serves me right, i just am buggered to see you lot going nuts over a guy who has no original thinking, he sounds like a fifteen years old with crush on wetern lifestyle, anyhow what ever
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and plz tell me who do i sound like aka my real nick? i always prized myself on sounding like ... me
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But you dont, thats the sad part.
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Ok back to the topic, so prove to me where Musharraf has said that he will conduct elections and leave office. Do you want me to paste Zia (Dingi Much, Tey Kani Akh's) speech here?
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label me then !
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In his speech while declaring martial law, *General Zia termed the take-over as a "90-day operation" and declared that he had no political ambitions. He said "his sole aim" in staging the coup was "to organize free and fair elections" that would be held that October. A week later, addressing the newspaper editors, on July 11, 1977, General Zia reiterated his resolve to hold elections saying that "the primary aim before the interim regime was the restoration of democracy in the country." *
On July 15, 1977, Justice Mushtaq Husseinof Lahore High court was appointed chairman of a committee to formulate election procedures and laws. Two days later, Justice Mushtaq Hussein also took over as the Chief Election Commissioner and announced that elections would be held in the first fortnight of October 1977 under the supervision of the armed forces and the judiciary.
However, on October 1, the elections were postponed indefinitely on the pretext that all the major political groups, except the Pakistan Peoples' Party had demanded to complete the process of accountability first and then to hold the elections. In a speech General Ziaul Haq claimed that postponement has been made to "save the country from a dangerous crisis and to place full facts before the public through the process of accountability." He also banned the political activity "to rid the country of all physical and mental strains and to allow passions to cool down."
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hahahahahahahaha
did someone just say zia was better then musharaf, lol i cant stop laughting
hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
do you even know who zia is.
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alrite spock u had me, may be mushes didnt make a promise of handing over power but here is his speech
go and read and with an open mind tell me how many of the goals that he set for himself he has achieved so far? how many do you think he is likely to achieve?here again i am saying i hope i am wrong about him but things dont look too great.
i never said zia was not a dictator, but i fail to see the difference in zia and musharraf in that aspect.
and do tell me if you thinkk he’s (mush) not another power grabbing and narcist dictator.
Zia had his good points and bad. the best thing i believe he did was to get rid of bhutto lot and worst would be encouraging MQM.bhutto was a dynamic ruler initially but see how the industrial development declined rapidly from ayub’s period to his. than who can forget his exceptionally patriotic dead of breaking coutnry to retain power. there were a couple of things that Zia did which were good for instance getting rid of alcohol,alot of people will boo hoo that but i think if one does not see the degenrating effect alcohol has on society then something is very wrong.
another would be improved relations with arab nation, he was moving towards the formation of islamic ummah not the verbal but literally, i believe he was the only pakistani to represent entire muslim ummah in UNO in general assembly. I can see you are not sold on him but guy had his merit in certain aspects.
and suhaib please sarcasm is not your fine point so if i were u i would refrain from using it.
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Alright, now that you admit on that promise of transfer of power, lets come back to the issue at hand. Most of what you said was bashing Bhutto. Let see now...
"Getting rid of alcohol", how did that help stop the consumption. Just about the same number of people drink alcohol, the only difference is, now most of the alcohol is smuggled from countries abroad.
"Improving Relations with Arab Countries", let not give credit to Zia for his successors work. Remember the Arab Oil Embargo and the big OIC meeting?
"Forming the Ummah", well, he was just a puppet installed by the US to do as they please, and he served them loyally, without questioning them, and when in the end he outlived his usefulness, he was wasted.
To be honest, there is a lot more that you could bring up, the 2-3 qualities of Zia that you brought up is nothing really exciting, its just something that an ordinary person would talk about. Lets talk about his policies on freedom of press, freedom allotted to political parties, his non-party basis elections, the Ojhri Camp Incident, policies on Afghanistan, handling of the Siachin Front, and the mess of 1988.
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point that i would want you to make is- was bhutto needed when zia gave him the kick?
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Was Nawaz needed when Musharraf gave him the kick?
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Cricket Diplomacy....Co-opting anything strategized by Indra Gandhi, which a decade earlier the able, western educated, maglomaniac Bhutto could'nt handle and had to surrender half of the country....
Zarb-e-Momin....Economy.....Defence......Keeping both USSR, a super power and India a regional power in check and preventing them from sandwiching Pakistan.....Sikh insurgency.....etc. etc....are all achievements of Zia....Bhutto was a wheching drunk who did not even knew the kalima and had the idiocacy to curse on national television....his socialist, das Kapital inspired, centralized economic concept resulted in nationalization of large corporations and industries leading to the biggest economic blunder in the history of Pakistan and one from which we still have not recovered. In 71' when the incompetent and murderous thief Bhattu tookover, the Rupee was valued at 1.50 to 2.00 to a dollar, when Pakistan was relieved of this brutal regime the Rupee had devalued to 10 to a dollar in less then 7 years.....These are the achievements of that SOB Bhattu.....
Aright all the Burger kids born in affluence....thats history 101 for y'all ignorant asses
Do some independent and objective research on your own...not what your elitist families and circle of friends or Junoon websites are telling you....
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Dingi Much Tey Kaani Akh,
Zia-ul-Haq, Zia-ul-Haq!
Zia's biggest achievement, Ojhri Camp, followed by MQM. Oh yeah, what a leader indeed. Khota kaheen ka. I dont care if hes dead he screwd the nation royally, he got what he deserved in the end, Amreekan Ambassador ke saath hawa me phat gya lol. Chew on that Viagra.
One of his gems for PTV -> Nazia And Zohaib banned just because they were making a mockery out of a brother-sister relationship, and a man and a woman cannot be shown on PTV in a room which has a single bed room.
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Spock, I think you have bitter feelings towards Zia mostly cos he prosecuted Bhutto :) You are a PPP supporter, correctomundo?
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Arey, what does screwing the nation, Ojhri Camp etc had to do with PPP. PPP ended with Bhutto. I support Musharraf, and Musharraf does not support the PPP.
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Another question for Zia chummies. How did all those Generals (Zia Butt Kissers) became millionares overnight, dont tell me the imaginary 6% growth rate that ChewedViagra here is hullucinating about had something to do with that 
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Chewed-viagra, what do you have to say about this particular comment, his comments reflect on his perception on what Zia’s era was like, as he witnessed it.
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all fired up again. i dont believe he was a saint ,neither was he a fine politician. but i hold even low opinion of musharraf. I can understand where alot people would say that zia's policies werent political but i have said before in thread and i am saying it again, he had his points whether or not you lot admit it . Besides if you are going to open a thread about some political figure be ready to have opinions swinging both way.
He was, Spock and i hope you have the sense to see this, more interested in religion than any one we have seen so far. How many rulers can you name in Pakistan who would lay stress on nomaz? he might be consisdered a puppet by you, what really astonished me is how is musharraf different? I mean musharraf has been labelled america's puppet all over the place so why long live musharraf and damnation to Zia?
I told you a point about alcohol and you rejected it that it was being smuggled none the less so according to you that doesnt make a difference. It does make a difference, the same difference i believe you would see happening if you look at mushes policy regarding cable. We cant stop it so legalize it. The very same argument is used by people who want to legalize marijauan. So havent you seen any social decline because cable is publicized now? More indian influence for one thing.
Any ruler has two responsibilities , big ones. One is his moral and social stance and second political strategies. Its futile saying Zia was a capable politicians since he was a self imposed dictator, but his moral were way better than alot of politicians i have seen. PPP is absolute scum with typical feudal mentality and morals lower than sewer rat (thats not to say that bhutto wasnt an intelligent man)and i have respect for Zia for in his 11 years he had the good sense to revitalize our own culture and religion in many senses. So what ever you say about his policies i hope you can see he wasnt a villian that people are making out of him.