Gaza Under attack

TS · July 22, 2014, 7:26pm

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I think the reason behind the massacre is massacre itself. It's pathological.
They could have annexed without this horror show of death and destruction.

SID_NY · July 22, 2014, 7:29pm

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You mean without any resistance they would hv come and taken over Gaza? I dont think so.

Now they've hurt enough and there isnt any resistance left.

Doppleganger · July 22, 2014, 8:54pm

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I thought it was basically because the arabs, jordan in this case, didn't want to face israeli reprisals for allow palestinians who launched attacks against israel and its citizens. I remember reading how IDF blew up planes in Lebanon in response to some Fatah attacks in the sixties. I am sure that there were more instances of it.

As I think Bill Maher put it, jews became tough after they didn't fight back in holocaust.

TS · July 22, 2014, 10:10pm

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TS · July 22, 2014, 10:10pm

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Israeli Professor: Rape Hamas Militants’ Mothers and Sisters to Deter Terrorist Attacks

TS · July 22, 2014, 10:16pm

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PyariCgudia · July 23, 2014, 12:53am

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Right, because that’s gonna help, and not create more angry terrorists. What a brilliant professor.

Who are these shmucks?

Sa1eem · July 23, 2014, 1:04am

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Palestinians are only people in the world, who are officially living under occupation (Kashmiris are also living under occupation, but that occupation is not official). I think, it is duty of world that Palestinian should get right to live free, with their own country (ideally, all of Palestine) and not under occupation.

Only solution for Palestinians is that they should train themselves vigorously with commitment, have well planned ‘resistance’ strategy, and look around world for sophisticated effective weapons to fight for their independence, what Hizbullah did when they were under Israeli occupation in south Lebanon. As for Muslim countries (and civilised sympathetic world), they should provide money, resources of all kinds, facilitate training and provide sophisticated effective weapons to Palestinians. If any Muslim wants, they can also join Palestinians struggle and help them in their fight for independence.

Jo Laash giratay hain, unhay Laash uthana bhie chahiyea.

Issi tarah:

Jin logon kee lashayen girtee hain, jo ghulami kee zindagee guzar rahay hain, unhay ghulami kay khilaaf larna bhie chahiyea aur jo un kee lashayen giratay hain un kee Laash bhie girana chahiyea (on parity basis, not abnormal ratios of 1:10 or 1:100)

Pakistan ko bhie kuch karna chahiyea. ... I think, Paksitan should give to Hizbullah and Hamas, 100s of 'Anza Mark III' and other effective Missiles, that can effectively shoot down Israeli planes, helicopter gunships, boats, tanks and other military vehicles.

Jolie · July 23, 2014, 6:57am

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phoenixdesi:

Obviously your particular point will always be politically correct that do not generalize...I am not debating that and i wish i had the liberty of exercising "do-not-generalize" mantra in yahood and hanood case in pakistan

but in context of "hanood and yahood" especially yahood and the way we in Pakistan think about them, say things about them and do not feel even one iota bad, i stand behind my words. I repeat it, i am not making casual stereotyping on this issue, as i see it. I feel very strong about this issue in our society and i have right to have viewpoint.

I mentioned about pinds, villages and what not just to make a point that yes i am now an American Pakistani but i lived for many years in different societies in Pakistan especially in my formative years and I am not an outsider who made up his mind based on some articles.

And no..i wish it was only some bigots from pinds in nortehrn punjab but that is not the case. I challenge, go to peshawar or any NWFP village and call a pathan a yahoodi and then see his reaction. When yoiu grow up in a country, read same literature, newspapers, hang out with freinds, travel acorss the country you obviously know where most of people stand on a certain issue. That is why i said we Pakistanis adore Sikhs despite the massacre they conducted in 1947.

If i am generalizing everything then i should have called pakistaniss hating every religion but i specifically said that somehow we adore sikhs (love their jokes etc), we are ok with Christians and Buddhists but when it comes to yahood and or hanood especially yahood, we as a nation have a different level off reaction. I dont know why? why so much intensity against them? maybe because they were particularly harsh on our prophet..i dont know. I am raising this point not to malign my people but as an issue that needs to be resolved.

You have made your point and i have made mine. we shd get back to the topic.

I'll let you have the last word. Go. And remember that next time you feel the need to throw any protest.

Israel bombed a hospital killing 20 members of the same family. Even injured people are not spared until they're completely dead.

phoenixdesi · July 23, 2014, 10:48am

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shukarya malika-e-aliya...khadam iss "ehsan" ko zaroor yaad rakhay ga!!

phoenixdesi · July 23, 2014, 10:56am

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Chat forum launch party

This one state solution looks more scary but unfortunately due to deafening silence from entire muslim world, we are leading towards that. Its funny how everyone is forgetting it can be their turn tomorrow.

The Daily Show explains why discussing Israel-Palestine is so hard - Vox

The Daily Show explains why discussing Israel-Palestine is so hard

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Even if you see the joke coming, it’s still pretty good. Jon Stewart begins to introduce a segment on the ongoing Israel-Palestine conflict but on saying the word “Israel” is immediately shouted down by overly zealous supporters of Israel (what we in the business call “pro-Israel trolls”) who accuse him of unfair double-standards, being a self-hating Jew, and so on. He says the word “Hamas” and is mobbed again, now told he supports the murder of Palestinian children and is a Zionist pig.

Just to be clear: this is a zero-exaggeration, 100 percent accurate portrayal of what it is like to cover Israel-Palestine during times of conflict.
An article about Palestinian casualties from Israeli air strikes is met with outraged accusations that the author hates Israel and secretly wishes for the deaths of Israelis; an article about Israelis suffering under Palestinian rocket fire is met with outraged accusations that the author hates Palestinians and is complicit in their deaths. On any given day during periods of conflict, the New York Times is accused of both.
To be clear, that’s not to whine about how covering Israel can be difficult — Western journalists are obviously just bystanders in the conflict, which causes actual real-world harm to Israelis and Palestinians far beyond the mild annoyance of getting yelled at by people. But there is a serious point to be made here: starting and having an actual, reasonable public conversation about the conflict is made next to impossible by this effect, to the point that non-partisans have fewer opportunities to learn about it, and that partisans have almost no opportunity to discover the shades of grey, or god forbid the humanity of people on the “other side.”
Why is the Israel-Palestine conversation so uniquely polarized, and so angry? There are many reasons: decades of enmity, broken agreements, and violence only explain so much. Partly, it’s the stakes, which go beyond even the risks of death. Both sides see their very nation, and thus their identity, at danger of being wiped out, and they’re not wrong. Both sides see themselves as the entrenched, encircled, endangered minority.
Crucially, both sides also believe that the world could be on the cusp of imposing an outcome either to their favor or disfavor; this sense of an imminent and decisive judgment from the outside world compels partisans on both ends to litigate their worldview as aggressively as possible. The fact that the world has not yet come around to your preferred side’s obvious righteousness and moral superiority just proves that the media is unfairly skewing against you. And that makes shouting down any public conversation less 100 percent compliant to your worldview not just justified, but a moral imperative. Given that the outside world does play an important role in mediating the Israel-Palestine conflict, the fact that public discourse around it is broken has real-world implications way beyond just making it annoying for people in the media like Jon Stewart.
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What are Israel and Palestine? Why are they fighting?

Israel is the world’s only Jewish state, located just east of the Mediterranean Sea. Palestinians, the Arab population that hails from the land Israel now controls, refer to the territory as Palestine, and want to establish a state by that name on all or part of the same land. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is over who gets what land and how it’s controlled.
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Israel in red, Palestinian-majority territories in pink. Wikimedia Commons
Though both Jews and Arab Muslims date their claims to the land back a couple thousand years, the current political conflict began in the early 20th century. Jews fleeing persecution in Europe wanted to establish a national homeland in what was then an Arab- and Muslim-majority territory in the British Empire. The Arabs resisted, seeing the land as rightfully theirs. An early United Nations plan to give each group part of the land failed, and Israel and the surrounding Arab nations fought several wars over the territory. Today’s lines largely reflect the outcomes of two of these wars, one waged in 1948 and another in 1967.
The 1967 war is particularly important for today’s conflict, as it left Israel in control of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, two territories home to large Palestinian populations:
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Note that, since 1967, Israel has returned Sinai to Egypt. BBC News
Today, the West Bank is nominally controlled by the Palestinian Authority and is under Israeli occupation. This comes in the form of “settlers,” Jews who build ever-expanding communities in the West Bank that effectively deny the land to Palestinians, and Israeli troops, who protect the settlers and enforce Israeli security restrictions on Palestinian movement. Gaza is controlled by Hamas, an Islamist fundamentalist party, and is under Israeli blockade but not ground troop occupation. The two Palestinian groups may have reconciled on April 23rd, creating one shared Palestinian government for the first time since 2007. That prompted Israel, who believes Hamas will never give up its commitment to destroy Israel, to suspend talks.
The primary approach to solving the conflict today is a so-called “two-state solution” that would establish Palestine as an independent state in Gaza and most of the West Bank, leaving the rest of the land to Israel. Though the two-state plan is clear in theory, the two sides are still deeply divided over how to make it work in practice.
The alternative to a two-state solution is a “one-state solution,” wherein all of the land becomes either one big Israel or one big Palestine. Most observers think this would cause more problems than it would solve, but this outcome is becoming more likely over time for political and demographic reasons.

i just dont see how one state solution can become a reality? what exactly author means when he says that this outcome is becoming more likely over time for political and demographic reasons.…given the bloodshed and history between both parties, hard to believe they can live in one big isarel… and one big Palestine? is that really possible

Ali_Syed · July 23, 2014, 2:08pm

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TS · July 23, 2014, 3:29pm

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Jolie · July 23, 2014, 3:49pm

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A very interesting article by Paul Mason. He’s right that Israel maybe physically winning, but it is losing the moral support and sympathy it illegitimately enjoyed outside of Israel (namely West). It’s getting increasingly hard for them to successfully execute any propaganda and expect people to buy their lies after all that they’ve done to innocent Palestinians. Long gone the days when a piece of news would go through editorial rooms, be subjected to various tweaks and filtering, and then be put on TV. However, journalists, medics, independent humanitarians, rescue staff are now reporting the realities live from the ground with evidence. We are not living in 80s where you could present an image of 12 year old boy wearing the Yasser Arafat scarf as a grave threat to poor little Israel. Today, the cameras are covering the bloodied, burned and mutilated bodies and scattered flesh of every Palestinian child and presented before the world. Israel has already attacked Al-Jazeera’s office and they will probably ban, expel or restrict reporters and journalists from covering the carnage, like they did in 2009.

Here’s the Paul Mason’s piece:

Why Israel is losing the social media war over Gaza

When Shujaiya was attacked by the Israeli Defence Force, killing dozens of civilians, the first I heard about it was via Twitter, early Sunday morning.

An activist on the ground I follow tweeted: “people running out of Shujaiya, bodies lying on ground”.

Soon after, Mohammed Omer – an award-winning Palestinian journalist who tweets as @Mogaza](https://twitter.com/Mogaza) – reported:

Not long after that, numerous western TV journalists stationed alongside Palestinian ambulance crews, including my colleague, Jonathan Miller, reported the same things. There was immediacy, corroboration and – with pictures – evidence.

Now compare that to the Israeli Defence Force Twitter feed, @IDFSpokesperson](https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson), as news emerged of the massive bombardment and civilian deaths. These are the first three tweets:
Nothing in those three tweets constitutes either a defence of, or explanation for, the killing of tens of non-combatants. But in the space between them, anybody following the Gaza conflict from both sides would have seen tens of independently shot images and accounts of civilian death and the destruction of housing and civilian infrastructure.

The incident shows who is winning the social media war over Gaza. It is evidence of a massive change in the balance of power between social media and the old, hierarchical media channels we used to rely on to understand wars.

Specifically social media has the power to do three things: first, to show people reality – or a version of it – independent of what TV networks show. Second, and I think just as important, journalists on the ground are using social media to report, necessarily short-circuiting the normal editorial processes that used to filter what they said. Third, to get into your real life consciousness much more powerfully than the old media.

Let’s work through each of these new powers and understand their impact. In a society where the media is supposed to observe balance and impartiality, getting real-time access to corroborated facts independently of TV stations is not so revolutionary.

But modern-day America is not one of those countries. Its media is traditionally heavily skewed towards the pro-Israeli view. My colleague, Matt Frei, tweeted that CNN’s Wolf Blitzer interview with Netanyahu was less a grilling more “a warm bath and a back rub”. Others used more profane metaphors.

But now, for the first time in a major Arab-Israeli conflict, the American public has other sources of reality. All research says that young people everywhere regard Twitter as essentially a news service, and via your social network you can easily get served up words and pictures more impactful than anything on TV. By the time many Americans woke up on Sunday, these pictures were of dead Palestinian children.
Netanyahu complained the Hamas strategy was to provide “telegenically dead” people: but where Israel is losing the hearts and minds of the world is not via “tele” anything: it is in the JPEGs that stream into millions of people’s mobile phones every time they glance at the object in the palm of their hand.

Later, Netanyahu‘s own Twitter feed also started to distribute pictures: but they were infographics purporting to show that Hamas had dug tunnels below Shujaiya. To a generation reared on instant images of reality, carefully prepared images of what you think reality might be do not have the same impact. They look like propaganda, no matter what evidence you possess.

Let’s be clear: targeting civilians, and failing to avoid civilian casualties during military attacks, are both indictable as crimes under the fourth Geneva convention. The indiscriminate firing of rockets into Israel has been described as a war crime by Amnesty International. By midday Sunday, anybody following the Gaza events on Twitter would have enough evidence to ask the same question about Shujaiya.
That’s how much power the social media has put in the hands of people, and taken away from governments.

The second big change is the ability of journalists to tweet from within Gaza itself. During Operation Cast Lead in 2009, there were far fewer mainstream networks there, and many of them did not tweet. Today, most reporters are required to tweet as a part of their jobs. But tweeting, and traditional news reporting, are not the same.

Reporting goes through an editing process; things that don’t conform to editorial policy can be weeded out; facts have to be cross-checked with other facts and claims. The reporting team itself – producer, reporter, camera crew, translator for TV – form an initial filter. But in Gaza, there is no filter; plus you are now getting camera crews and off-screen TV journalists tweeting. On newspapers, several different reporters will be tweeting, rather than it all going into the editorial machine and coming out as one thing.

And here’s the point: instant, unfiltered reports are cross-checked via the hive-mind created by social media itself. It is the medium that becomes the editing process: as last night, for example, when well-connected Israeli journalists were able to confidently nix the Hamas claims to have captured an Israeli soldier. Once they did this, reporters inside Gaza were able to question Hamas’ account.

I’ve worked at two major global news organisations, each of which has different editorial rules and styles about reporting the Middle East conflict. It’s fair to say that, once you put a dozen journalists on the ground with Twitter, editorial policies and processes may continue to work for the final, polished – some would argue censored and ideologised – reports: but the raw output will remain raw, and any attempt to put an ideological, or politically correct, gloss on the facts, will be much easier to spot.

Incidentally I think this is true for all conflicts and all sides: I don’t read Arabic but I would imagine the Arabic Twittersphere can be as challenging to the official Hamasversion of events; I know that the English-speaking Israeli Twittersphere has been challenging the government’s view of events, and also circumventing military censorship notices.

The third new quality social media brings to a war like this, on top of independence and its impact on journalists, is the subliminal and pervasive nature of the content. When an event like Shujaiya happens, it literally floods people’s timelines.

I “witnessed” it sitting in a field in Wales, with no TV, and no computer, only a sporadically updated Twitter app on my iPhone using wi-fi too rubbish to even get any of the HTML liveblogs up.
You cannot stop pictures dropping into your timeline so, for several days now, I have been seeing dead people in Gaza- civilians, combatants – mixed up with the equally disturbing pictures of the victims of MH17.

While I find I get desensitised to the individual images, it also means the issues behind them become very present in my thinking. I don’t think I am the only person who has lost sleep or experienced anxiety due to the pervasive killing my social media streams are bringing to my daily life. What I mean is, if you are following these events, they can become far more real via social media – where your friends, acquaintances, colleagues etc – are reacting in real time -than when they were filtered via a daily news bulletin, or live reports from satellite points.

Probably the most famous war photograph of all is of Vietnamese girl Phan Thị Kim Phúc lacerated by a US napalm strike in 1972. Audio tapes later released reveal US president Richard Nixon saying to his chief of staff Bob Haldeman, “I’m wondering if that was fixed.” “Could have been,” replies Haldeman.

Today, anybody, wishing to bomb civilians, or risk civilian casualties in a military operation, can tell quite quickly what is fake and what is real. And so can the population that elects them. That’s the difference.

See more at: Why Israel is losing the social media war over Gaza | Paul Mason | Paul Mason

mercenary2k · July 23, 2014, 4:41pm

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Israel is sowing the seeds of its own destruction.

Unlike many posters here I don't advocate Israel destruction and nor do I hate Israel or Israelis.

But Israel has to realize it cannot live in normal conditions when it subjects others to abnormal conditions.

As long as the ocupation of Gaza and West Bank continues, Israelis will never live in peace.

Israel needs to dismantle settlements, withdraw from West Bank, divide East Jerusalem to be shared as a joint capital and compensate the refugees and settle them in West Bank and Gaza strip.

Israel needs to end the embargo of Gaza and stop controlling its boundaries.

Let international monitors control until such a time when Palestinians can take over.

Beyond that Arab population of the region will continue to grow and by 2025, Jews will be a minority in the areas which Israel controls and then it becomes and if not already apartheid.

phoenixdesi · July 23, 2014, 11:10pm

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mercenary2k:

Israel is sowing the seeds of its own destruction.

Unlike many posters here I don't advocate Israel destruction and nor do I hate Israel or Israelis.

But Israel has to realize it cannot live in normal conditions when it subjects others to abnormal conditions.

As long as the ocupation of Gaza and West Bank continues, Israelis will never live in peace.

Israel needs to dismantle settlements, withdraw from West Bank, divide East Jerusalem to be shared as a joint capital and compensate the refugees and settle them in West Bank and Gaza strip.

Israel needs to end the embargo of Gaza and stop controlling its boundaries.

Let international monitors control until such a time when Palestinians can take over.

Beyond that Arab population of the region will continue to grow and by 2025, Jews will be a minority in the areas which Israel controls and then it becomes and if not already apartheid.

fine brother...I am all up for it and all i care about is peace for poor Palestinians but i have few questions"

I 200% agree that Israel needs to dismantle settlements, withdraw from West Bank and needs to end the embargo of Gaza and stop controlling its boundaries but ....

can you assure that if israel does all of this, hamas will then change its official slogan "death to israel" and more importantly will stop violent military struggle and accept 2 state solution in a real way?

Hamas has rejected any peaceful dialogue with isarel in past and completely abandoned yaser arafat for starting a dialogue.

I am also legitimately curious that in your proposed solution you forgot to mention one single word about hamas's and or hazb ullah's responsibilities to bring peace to the region. was this intentional and you genuinely think that hamas is just fine and is not bringing any agony to its own people? can you kindly reflect upon it?

thanks

phoenixdesi · July 23, 2014, 11:31pm

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Hamas again rejects the gaza ceasefire…a part of me is burning and really upset upon hamas for fully knowing tha isarel is acting like a a complete fascist force and for hamas’s inability to destroy IDF and hence bringing more and more destruction to poor Palestinians …

but part of me at this stage (after losing 600 poor lives) is now saying that fine…if that is how hamas wants to play and if Palestinian public supports hamas then lets take it to the end. Lets see how many more israel can kill. Lets see if Hamas succeeds to get blockade removed by this strategy…may be the blood of poor palsetnians will show some result…

Hamas rejects Gaza truce unless blockade ends - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

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Hamas rejects Gaza truce unless blockade ends

                                  **Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal says there can be no ceasefire unless Israel ends its eight-year blockade of the Gaza Strip.**

PyariCgudia · July 24, 2014, 12:57am

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Oh God. Hamas is retarded. What a fatal mistake - again.

pak-one · July 24, 2014, 2:39am

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I have traveled to Gaza, West Bank and Israel under Pakistani/Swiss passports twice (2007; 2010). One trip was under the auspices of my employer; another one through a charity that my family is connected with. Instead of giving paragraphs and paragraphs of opinions, I am going to give snippets based on the cold harsh, truth:

Israeli response has been disproportionate and constitutes war crimes without a doubt. Israelis are well known for collective punishment to the Palestinian people, which is ironic considering the holocaust. Benyamin Netanyahu should be tried in The Hague for war crimes.
Hamas and Fatah are both Palestinian NATIONALIST organizations. They are a Janus faced representation of the Palestinian political psyche. Fatah is an accommodationalist yet massive corrupt political apparatus which has built sleek infrastructure in places like Ramallah, Nablus etc. While Hamas takes on a more religious tone and is much more honest in governance, yet manipulating the religious impulses of muslim sponsors like Iran, Egypt under Morsi etc. Gaza strip is truly the worlds largest prison. Less than 5 miles of space and even a nail requires Israeli permission before being allowed in the territory.
There is not one nation in the Middle East except for Turkey which can defeat Israel militarily even if the US stopped supporting the Jewish state. Accept that.
Pakistanis forgot that both Israel and Pakistan are creations of the British in the name of giving a dispossessed minority some territory.
Where was the outrage of the Ummah when hundreds of thousands of Muslims were/are being slaughtered by the Assad regime? Smacks of hypocrisy. I didn't see 14 pages of 1 thread when Assad gassed innocent civilians in Syria.
Why is Hamas prolonging the conflict? Because the leadership has very little to lose politically. Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Pakistani Taliban and Al Qeada should all be classified as enemies of the Muslim people as their actions have directly/indirectly caused the deaths of innocent Muslims. I hold them responsible as well.
Speaking of these ISIS, Taliban, Al Qeada cretins: Why are these munafiqs hiding when faced with a true jihad situation? Where is that *infidel *Khalifa Al-Bghdadi?
Does Pakistan really have a moral leg to stand on, with respect to the Palestinian situation, when it has all but abandoned the Kashmir struggle? Speaking Kashmir, would the media/Muslim Ummah care if something similar was going on there? Probably not.

Inna aleyhe rajioun to the blood of innocent Palestinians men, women, and children that has been spilled by the Israelis. May the innocent Israeli men, women and children rest in peace. However, let me be clear: This Palestinian casualties in this conflict are so lopsided and the Israeli actions so flagrant that any offensive actions by Hamas CANNOT absolve the Jewish entity from guilt.

Ali_Syed · July 24, 2014, 3:38am

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pak-one:

Where was the outrage of the Ummah when hundreds of thousands of Muslims were/are being slaughtered by the Assad regime? Smacks of hypocrisy. I didn't see 14 pages of 1 thread when Assad gassed innocent civilians in Syria.

Why is Hamas prolonging the conflict? Because the leadership has very little to lose politically. Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Pakistani Taliban and Al Qeada should all be classified as enemies of the Muslim people as their actions have directly/indirectly caused the deaths of innocent Muslims. I hold them responsible as well.

Speaking of these ISIS, Taliban, Al Qeada cretins: Why are these munafiqs hiding when faced with a true jihad situation? Where is that *infidel *Khalifa Al-Bghdadi?

Does Pakistan really have a moral leg to stand on, with respect to the Palestinian situation, when it has all but abandoned the Kashmir struggle? Speaking Kashmir, would the media/Muslim Ummah care if something similar was going on there? Probably not.

Inna aleyhe rajioun to the blood of innocent Palestinians men, women, and children that has been spilled by the Israelis. May the innocent Israeli men, women and children rest in peace. However, let me be clear: This Palestinian casualties in this conflict are so lopsided and the Israeli actions so flagrant that any offensive actions by Hamas CANNOT absolve the Jewish entity from guilt.

All good points. This is one thing that I feel as well. We show selective outrage. While every one is venting their anger on Israel, I didnt see the same outrage when TTP (et al) were carrying out a murderous spree within Pakistan and Afghanistan.