Gaza Solution.......

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I hope most of you can read urdu…because you guys need to read this article

Khurshid Nadeem is a respected right wing journalist and he is proposing the exact same solution in today’s column that this humble servant of yours was proposing last week…keep condemning israel and USA at every forum for their injustice policies but Palestinians shd leave the violence path, **get rid of hamas **and its Violence-laden agenda, muslims countries shd stop funding hamas, Palestinians shd accept 2-state solution, focus on building gaza for at least next 10 years.

I am posting Khurshid nadeem article in particular because he is not a secular liberal journalist..he is close to jamat islami and belong to a balanced right wing group. It is so refreshing to see him and some-others finally realizing the reality and thinking rationally.

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I agree with 4 points of Khushid Nadeem but I dont agree that renouncing violence will get Palestinians a state.

Palestinians have no choice to be honest in current situation. If they fight, they will be eradicated with military might and swiftly. If they dont fight, they will gradually be pushed out of the land but slowly. If you believe that Israel or pro Israel lobby will accept a viable Palestinian state then you are a fool.

Fatah has renounced violence since ages yet it has not won an inch of land or dignity rather, Israel has constantly expanded settlements in the west bank, and built new settlements in west bank. Netanyahu has openly said, they will continue to build new settlements till all land belongs to Palestinians. I have had discussions with pro israeli americans and they tell you, Palestinians should relocate to surrounding arab countries and leave the land because it has been given to them by god.

If you want to know peaceful way of ending the conflict, then the only way acceptable to Israel will be for palestinians to leave their land and give it to israel.

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and therefore the status quo is acceptable? till then we shd continue with Hamas strategy so that more and more innocent Palestinians get killed?

you have talked to pro-israeli Americans in USA but i have been to gaza myself and understand the ground situation....how much land has Israelis taken in gaza? and if they really want to capture all the land in gaza as well, who will stop them? hamas?

and no sir jee....dont portray a scenario for one second that there was a complete peace in gaza/west bank and isralies did not act rationally ..... because hams and hazb allah and Zionists have never given peace a chance...hamas/hazb opposed yaser Arafat and mahmood abbas each and every day...hamas slogan is "death to Israel...destroy Israel"...so we never had a complete peace in gaza/west bank

last 18 months were relatively peacefully but both hamas and Zionistd needed more dead bodies and hamas gave Zionists a chance by killing those 3 boys.

and who cares what netan say? netanyahu is a zionist and the only reason he is in power is because hamas provides him and his zionist party with a launching pad. otherwise there are many moderate political forces in israel which can win elections if gaza is peaceful.

death to hamas and death to zionists.

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"Leave the land because it has been given to them by god"

Where have we heard such logic before? Religion has been used to make the most ridiculous of statements. By seemingly reasonable people. Who can feel pain when it affects them. But don't hesitate to discriminate.

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I did not say that status qou shud continue, but, I did tell you that Palestinians really have no choice. You or anyone who beleives that if there is no hamas Palestinians will get a state is a fool.

West Bank has no hamas, yet most of settlement activity has happened in West Bank. 42% of west bank is controlled by Israel according to Israels own sources. So tell me what has peaceful means brought Palestinians?

As I said, Palestinians atleast for now seem to have only two choices, either fight and get killed quickly, or be peaceful and get evicted slowly. And yes I agree that hamas staretegy has not brought them any relief either.

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Peace pheonixdesi

The Palestinians think like this …

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Don't expect one side to make all the compromises. It's not going to happen. For starters, can Israel stop new settlements and end the blockade? Can Hamas give up violence and agree to two-state solution? Probably not.

And accept US is not a good mediator.

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One state, one vote per person.
Problem solved.
Democracy and equality.

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why do you always come and tell me peace PD..... what do you mean by that....as if everyone else is calm and PD is the only one who is unreasonable here

i am all for peace anyways....

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brother, by default you are opting for a status quo position because Palestinians cannot evict...we know that for sure.....egypt has closed the border, jordan and syria push them back ...we know what jordan did to Palestinians in 70

if the reality is this that no one in Muslim countries will fight for Palestinians ever

if we know by now that muslim ummah does not exist and there will be no muslim army ever to defend gaza

and if we know for sure that Hamas does not have any power to fight israeli army and that hamas tactics simply brings more and more agony for poor Palestinians

then what can be done to save poor innocent Palestinians lives? maybe give peace one last chance. I am more furious that Hamas refused the ceasefire and gave Zionists to bring more agony to Palestinians.

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The only way the problem can be solved is that the Muslim world has got a distinct advantage of over Israel and her Western patrons in terms of economic, ammunition and military power, so that they can dictate their terms or get the Palestine back.

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^I agree with that and it's not going to happen in our lifetime . Muslim countries should plan a long term strategy of nation building, currently they are so far behind there isn't even a comparison.

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He makes the two state solution sound simple. The two state solution has been torpedoed by Israel's refusal create even a territoriality cohesive West Bank, let alone a territoriality cohesive state where Gaza and the West bank are physically connected. The expansion of Israeli settlements since 1992 and Israel's refusal to remove them from the West Bank has made a two-state solution impossible to achieve. The only Israeli leader interested in seriously making a two-state solution was Yitzhak Rabin and he was killed by Israeli right wing terrorists for it.

The only eventual possibility will be a one-state solution.

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so you have no comment on the video?

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Who are these so called ‘moderate’ Israeli political parties and what are their views on Gaza blockade, illegal and increasingly aggressive expansion of settlement in West Bank? What are their views on collective punishment of what is basically an overcrowded refugee, in fact, a concentration camp and always purposely making children the prime victims of its sickening brutality? Zionism is an internationally backed, funded and thoroughly supported ideology, to say an imagery local pressure group will be able to compete and overcome it’s sheer ideological and material force is nothing more delusional frippery.

In regards to the butchering of innocent Palestinian children by IDF terrorists. Hamas or no Hamas, ceasefire or no ceasefire, such heinous murders of innocent children (young children walking unarmed on an isolated public location for goodness sake) cannot be justified under any circumstances, whatsoever. Even in the case of full fledged, balanced conflict, such grotesque act of violence would be still be punishable under war crime. So let’s clearly put the blame where it belongs. The truth of the matter is Israeli forces enjoy and look forward to killing Palestinian children, as children are the future of every nation and Israeli clearly doesn’t want a Palestinian nation on the face of earth. The incident actually reminds of the picture taken by Israeli solider during peacetime that absolutely sums up what Israeli forces are all about:

As with Palestinians getting rid of Hamas. Use your own logic: if firing of home-made rockets on Israel helps keep Zionists in power in Israel. What makes anyone believe that people who collect the flash of their children in plastic bags every other year, and see their homes crumbling down within seconds, will not support a group that still *sells a hope, *that they can fight and will fight? Whether you agree or disagree with this logic is a different thing. But don’t fool yourself into thinking the cousins and brothers of those slaughtered innocent four boys won’t make perfect recruiting material for Hamas. After all, pretty much every young man in Israel is also an IDF reservist. Go figure.

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These people (palestinians) have in their generation, and two generations before them have had their property stolen, their rights to free economic activity stolen, rights to movement stolen, rights to agriculture stolen, their olive gardens and date farms stolen, they have been pulled out of their homes and beaten and other families have either been placed into their homes or the homes have been bulldozed to create for new homes/buildings. Highways now traverse through west bank and gaza, and the palestinians are blockaded from it.

There are many palestinians who want to go back and build what's left, and make good with what's left, but the occupation doesn't even allow for that. You wanna go open a peaceful business - create electricty, build water pumps, etc? Well guess what? Customs will be holding any of your shipments for months, IF you even get the stuff you've ordered for your projects. So people that want to be productive --> can't.

I mean, if someone pulled YOU out of your home, beat the crap out of you, your elderly mom and kicked around your baby kids like footballs, and even killing some of your babies, then either bulldozed your home to erect a mall for some other ethnicity/religious group to play in, and told you to get lost to the gutters...

You do that to enough people, you can't possibly expect people wont be angry.

Having said that, Hamas is just dumb. Throwing rockets that they know wont do anything and then putting everyone in jeapardy, is just ridiculous. Just shows what a disasterous leadership they have, and how inhumane Hamas can be if left to it. They're creating hatred just as much as the opposing side is.

I think the reality is that slowly either people will be killed off, or they'll be moved off their lands, and they'll have to flee elsewhere, so that Israel has control over all Gaza and West Bank.

Because no one is stopping, seems like, until that goal is accomplished. And the surrounding countries can't handle the refugee populations. Just disasterous the whole scene.

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Brokered byClinton in 2000, the Palestinians were offered their own state and Arafat refused.* . . . . Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, “Iregret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation intobeing and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for astate and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace.” The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Arafat as he walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit. Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amir a former minister in the Palestinian Authority
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Why? Because anyPalestinian leader that agrees to anything less than 100% of what Hammas wants willbe killed by Hammas. Hence there willnever be an agreement.