Re: Gay couple sexually abused boys they were fostering
I follow a timeless creed...Such idiotic and delusional dogma as the west seems to inspire and spout to shallow people today has been faced by Muslims many times before...They are gone...We remain and will keep remaining...That is the promise of God...
So follow fool's gold whereever there is more shine...You won't be the first and you certainly won't be the last...
So according to God, you are promised the land of the idiotic west after their sick doctrine proves to be their demise *and *littles girls to have sex with? No wonder you sacrfice your principles to suckle from the teat of evil America. Talk about fools gold.
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Well, if pregressive and enlightment means that a woman remains half [or almost] naked in the work environment while men can be covered in two piece from neck to toe, then I am not. Thank God. Atleast, I do not disrespect a woman and make her a grocery item.
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Aha…Ismaili…Irshad Manji is also Ismaili…
Uberalles, please forgive my rudeness in previous posts and threads…I didn’t know you were a Ismaili…Had I known I would never have said those things I did…
I was completely under the impression that you were a Muslim per se…As in Sunni…
You guys have completely different beliefs than what we Sunnis profess to follow…Your beliefs are most closely associated with Shia beliefs…
So please disregard whatever I said…You are more than welcome to your beliefs and I again ask apology should anything I said have bothered you…
Re: Gay couple sexually abused boys they were fostering
Will you accept pedophiles as being OK after a few years? If not, then how come you are accepting homosexuals now?
Two mature people of legal age consent for sexual relations is not an issue , what don't you get?. Cranium extra thick? The religion and state has no place in one's sexual escaped as long as you are of a mature age ---legally----as prescribed by a democratic society which ensures a child's life be cherished and not stolen too early to foster upon them adult burdens.
However , marrying a nine year old girl when one is 52 is not acceptableTODAY. What was done 1400 years ago in many, many societies is not acceptable today.** It's called evolution of civilization**. When civilizations once lived under religious dogma and religious law their societies were filled with hatred, bloodshed, condemnations and suppression of the poor and weak and the different. See history of europe and religion. Christians and Catholics used to throw stones and worse, !!!
And today many countries/regions govermed by Islamic/and other reglious laws have not evolved to be civil, tolerant, open minded, and they possess no emphasis for human rights nor the freedom to convert to whatever religion a person may discover most comfort in. Most importantly, in in these countries children have no rights or recourse for judicial /legal action by goverment to safeguard their rights.
Now, Look at your average nine year old girl in a free society. She loves to dance, play with her friends, go swimming in the summer, baseball , tennis , music , sing lessons and etc etc. They just wanna have fun and play.
Ask any nine year old girl if she is willing (without coercion by using GOD) to marry a 52 year old man or anyone of any age?. These men just want to marry the little girl so they will not commit fornication prior to marriage. how stupid and insipid and decrepit is this logic. Serves man only and not girl. Now tell this girl she will breed children, change their diapers, cook breakfast, lunch and dinner, keep house clean, and do laundry while the rest of her girlfriends are out and playing. SERIOUSLY HOW TRULY CAN YOU RUIN A LITTLE GIRL'S LIFE LIKE THAT? YOU ARE A PEDOPHILLIC MONSTER WHETHER YOU MARRY THEM OR NOT .
MANY SOCIETIES HAVE EVOLVED FROM THIS TYPE OF PATERNAL AND FRATERNAL PAROCHIAL INFLUENCE . MANY COUNTRIES HAVE REMOVED REGLIOUS REGIMES AND INSTILLED CIVIL LAW TO REMOVE THE BLOCK AND CHAIN USED BY THEOCRATS AND THEIR THEOCRACIES. . RELIGION ITSELF MUST EVOLVE TO MAINTAIN ITS IMPORT AND SALIENCY FOR THE MODERN ENLIGHTENED , EDUCATED INDIVIDUAL OTHERWISE, ALL THREE MAIN FAITHS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST WILL GO WHERE 1,000S OTHERS HAVE GONE IN CIVILIZATION , POOF TO ANEW.
IS THE NEW AGE OF SPIRITUALITY HERE ALREADY? religions must encompass human rights, equality of opportunity for either gender and greater tolerance for rethinking and re-evaluating the spiritual path one is on in addition to developing greater emphasis on respecting the enviroment, all living species on earth including ocean life . Ever read Carlos Castenadas, very spiritually enlightening.
Therefore, I can't help wonder why there are some on this board, who obviously write english very well, some quite brilliant and still would use part of a islamic past occurance and still use it to teach and support the practice of marriage to a child and to burden her life in this manner instead of promoting education priorities so she may grow up to be confident, strong and a capable independent young lady.
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no one can disrespect a woman with confidence, strength, education and free will unless she permits that feeling to envelop her I care not an iota of what another thinks if i am wearing a long skirt, mini skirt, bathing suit, shorts, t- shirt, dress,pants, etc. Men have controlled too many women historically in almost every culture and country on earth in the name of GOD or some other supreme being, or focus of worship. In the west women can be self reliant, self determining and free to be and do what ever she pleases. No matter how much is written in Quran etc freedom is really not a woman's option of her own without fraternal and theocratical control.
Re: Gay couple sexually abused boys they were fostering
Uberalles, please forgive my rudeness in previous posts and threads...I didn't know you were a Ismaili...Had I known I would never have said those things I did...
I was completely under the impression that you were a Muslim per se...As in Sunni...
You guys have completely different beliefs than what we Sunnis profess to follow...Your beliefs are most closely associated with Shia beliefs...
So please disregard whatever I said...You are more than welcome to your beliefs and I again ask apology should anything I said have bothered you...
Well, what bothers me is usually when I correct you on it, don't I ?:) Yes, there are even some amongst us who are much much too seriously parochial and wag the finger just as hard but hope springs eternal for everyone to lighten up and enjoy life as a child does on swings, teens do at dance, athletes at sport , singers in song , entertainers on stage, and or like the happy fisherman by a clean river with litter free woods.:)
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Gays should be shot.
Gays should not have the same rights as normal people in society such as adoptiong children.
Gays shouldn't be allowed to live with children.
You are a horrible person, may Allah bless you with a very long and painful illness that even morphine could not comfort while you dwell in the rot of fundamentalist retrograde thinking. It's amazing how people who believe and venerate GOD are so evil in heart. You are a perfect example how religion can twist a mind .
Re: Gay couple sexually abused boys they were fostering
However , marrying a nine year old girl when one is 52 is not acceptableTODAY. What was done 1400 years ago in many, many societies is not acceptable today.** It's called evolution of civilization**. When civilizations once lived under religious dogma and religious law their societies were filled with hatred, bloodshed, condemnations and suppression of the poor and weak and the different. See history of europe and religion. Christians and Catholics used to throw stones and worse, !!!
And today many countries/regions govermed by Islamic/and other reglious laws have not evolved to be civil, tolerant, open minded, and they possess no emphasis for human rights nor the freedom to convert to whatever religion a person may discover most comfort in. Most importantly, in in these countries children have no rights or recourse for judicial /legal action by goverment to safeguard their rights.
Now, Look at your average nine year old girl in a free society. She loves to dance, play with her friends, go swimming in the summer, baseball , tennis , music , sing lessons and etc etc. They just wanna have fun and play.
Ask any nine year old girl if she is willing (without coercion by using GOD) to marry a 52 year old man or anyone of any age?. These men just want to marry the little girl so they will not commit fornication prior to marriage. how stupid and insipid and decrepit is this logic. Serves man only and not girl. Now tell this girl she will breed children, change their diapers, cook breakfast, lunch and dinner, keep house clean, and do laundry while the rest of her girlfriends are out and playing. SERIOUSLY HOW TRULY CAN YOU RUIN A LITTLE GIRL'S LIFE LIKE THAT? YOU ARE A PEDOPHILLIC MONSTER WHETHER YOU MARRY THEM OR NOT .
MANY SOCIETIES HAVE EVOLVED FROM THIS TYPE OF PATERNAL AND FRATERNAL PAROCHIAL INFLUENCE . MANY COUNTRIES HAVE REMOVED REGLIOUS REGIMES AND INSTILLED CIVIL LAW TO REMOVE THE BLOCK AND CHAIN USED BY THEOCRATS AND THEIR THEOCRACIES. . RELIGION ITSELF MUST EVOLVE TO MAINTAIN ITS IMPORT AND SALIENCY FOR THE MODERN ENLIGHTENED , EDUCATED INDIVIDUAL OTHERWISE, ALL THREE MAIN FAITHS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST WILL GO WHERE 1,000S OTHERS HAVE GONE IN CIVILIZATION , POOF TO ANEW.
IS THE NEW AGE OF SPIRITUALITY HERE ALREADY? religions must encompass human rights, equality of opportunity for either gender and greater tolerance for rethinking and re-evaluating the spiritual path one is on in addition to developing greater emphasis on respecting the enviroment, all living species on earth including ocean life . Ever read Carlos Castenadas, very spiritually enlightening.
Therefore, I can't help wonder why there are some on this board, who obviously write english very well, some quite brilliant and still would use part of a islamic past occurance and still use it to teach and support the practice of marriage to a child and to burden her life in this manner instead of promoting education priorities so she may grow up to be confident, strong and a capable independent young lady.
it's the neocon trend !
very fashionable in america (explain why they know good english) amongst extremists christians dropping bomb over irak...and amongst extremist muslims who wanna shoot gays (the later being more present on this board than the former)
good post überalles!
thought i don't agree on your "legal age" what is legal age? age for vote? too late, age for sexual consent is what? age of legal responsabilities? age from which people can go to jail because they are responsible??
westerners are too hypocriteregarding legal age, children of 16 years old may be old enough to go to jail but not to vote! what an insult to human brain! if we are old enough to know what's wong from right then w should have the right to vote, and to work and to deal with our money and to travel freely with no parent consent!
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women who are half nacked in office while men are fully clothed are a disgrace to feminists like me, why the hell do they show off their sexuality in he office? do they expect more due to their ability to get laid down by the boss??
how can you justify that brainless girls work with their a$$es more than with their brain??
do you call selling sex being self reliant?
sorry but to me it is exploitation, and worth no more for women freedom than being the object of some men…
right!
but be carefull cause some guys don’t understand the trasition from half naked to full burqa…guess what there ARE dress codes in btw
and by the way, why would women be fully covered under a tent while other guys are in suits?? that is a disrespect because it does not allow her to build business contacts as quicly, cause her face can’t be memorised easily with burqa :halo:, thus it is a big brake to employment and freedom.
and sorry but in many arab countries girls are sold like grocery items (at marriage, nice excuse)…though they have abaya on
remeber the thread on mutah in religion section it is another example of selling girls like grocery items! though under a tchador!
Re: Gay couple sexually abused boys they were fostering
I think both of us have different knowledge about Islamic rulings and Islamic perspective of things we are discussing… Let me explain mine
Skirts/Shorts for both men and women/half sleeves for women are a half naked dress… If you call it modest, then I can’t argue further… No one is bringing Bikini et al.
If you know the that Hijaab is a requirement for a muslim women that is her face and her hands **can be **visible then there are far more chances to memorise her face… Besides, in Islam, Quran specifies Men are the bread-ownder and it is their responisbility to bring food at table. It is not discouraged though for women to work but guess what? When women bring money from work, it is not the property of anyone but the women.. She does not have to use it on household stuff.. She can use it for her needs… Women own husband’s money but it is not true other way around…
Mutah is not something the we Ahl-e-Sunnah wal Jammah practice.. next time, you wanna bash Islam and Muslims, please bring your examples from within Sunni community not the minority Shia whom rituals we do not recognise many a times as part of our Aqaaid… And also, unlike anyother non-muslim who points the finger at Islam by looking at muslims, bash the religion in response to what I said about how religion teaches a woman to be respected not how a non-practicing muslim interacts with them…
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Yes anything that is despised by Allah I am not ashamed to say I hate . Why should I accept their sodomy just because you or anyone else gets offended?
It is unnatural and people who do it on purpose should be punished. Just because the western society is giving these people more and more rights and desensitizing you to them, I should think it’s normal? NO.
If you think my mind is twisted then so be it, I am not afraid of offending people like you. Next you will be saying how normal it is for humans to have sex with animals, Oh and i’d watch it when I curse someone, ever heard of karma?
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And this ladies and gentleman, is the enlightened mind of a self professed mod-Muslim…
Just imagine for a second, that these words were really spouted by someone religious…How would we feel?
But this is the normal sentiments of someone who considers themselves ‘moderately enlightened’ who wishes a painful and sorry end for someone who does not agree with their views…
This is the tolerance that is bred in minds which are not weighted down with the humility of faith and spirituality…
But I must commend uberalles for something: She spoke out what was inside her heart…That is more than what I can say for many others who are ‘moderately enlightened’ but stifle their urge to speak out in case they be perceived as un-moderate…
All you mod-Muslims should take a lesson from uberalles…See how fearlessly she cursed her antagonist…
Just imagine if there was no religion in the world…How far would have one man’s intolerance have led another to commit crimes without a conscience…
Re: Gay couple sexually abused boys they were fostering
Much obliged...it takes a lot of courage to own upto your flaws...While very few possess the requisite evil to condemn somebody to a prolong and excruciating illness, still fewer are intrepid and introspective enough to label it as such...
thanks!