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see thats the point im making. even if there is evidence of tendency to be gay, there is everyday evidence to show that tendency can be resisted. so regardless of whether or not this gene exists, which I think probably does, its existence doesnt have more relevance to the culpability of homosexuality than a murder gene has with the culpability of murder.
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Bugger that you are right. Note to self: Never post when doped up on medicine.
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there is any such gene as a murder gene? Are you referring to insanity? As in psycho killers?
A marked difference in the brain structure is quite an evidence. And it's not clear yet, how powerful the effects of these differences are. Whether or not the urge to give in to the natural biological inclination can be resisted or not. But these differences do predispose them to their sexual orientation. All I am saying is, it's not all about being influenced by bad company or the sorts, if one is predisposed to it, the probablity is much much much higher of following what one is naturally inclined to.
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yes, there is a murder gene.
what you’re saying is basically summarised as under:
but bottom line, we may have varying degrees of difficulty in resisting succumbing to various social ills, BUT these varying degrees do not make those ills natural or acceptable or moral. it just means that each of us has a different set of tests for us. some people are drawn towards alcohol some arent. islamically, both commit a sin if they drink.
ofcourse the above sentence has a context of homosexuality being a social evil just as murder is. if you wanna argue otherwise do so, but couching the debate in genetic terms doesnt buy you any debating mileage.
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oh and as for differences in brain structure for gays vs. straights, that doesnt indicate inherent differences. one’s brain doesnt remain the same throughout his life, one’s lifestyle is reflected in one’s brain structure. and it is quite possible for the change in structure to be a product, not a cause of homosexuality. it might be an indication of cause if latent homosexuals also had similar brain structures, but your study does not mention that.
for example, learning a second language can cause your brain structure to change:
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yeah, and making baseless statements does? Really, you bias against homosexuals is why you find my arguments not credible enough in comparison to these nuts roaming around claiming homosexuality is a crime against humanity(without any evidence to back them up)?
And getting drawn towards alchohol is hardly an anology. Do u mean to say some ppl are predisposed to alchohol consumption naturally?
how does one identify latent homosexuals, pray tell dear ravage. The problem with studying homosexuality is very few even admit to the truth due to the societal pressures, and even fewer come forward for such studies.
Anyway, I would rather give them the benifit of doubt than declare them as sinners and sorts. And about it being a crime, I really don't want to make this a religious debate.
It's been fun.. ciao!
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baseless statements? i offered basis (links to studies) for both of my points:
Other actions, for example Murder, that both of us consider evil also can have genetic basis, so genetic motives behind homosexuality do not impact the debate behind its morality.
brain structure might be an effect rather than a cause of homosexuality, as in learning languages.
i understand the societal pressures behind homosexuality etc, but Im guessing one way would be to scan exclusively straight people and look for the same brain pattern. given that the claim is that a certain percentage of humanity is homosexual, it is mathematically impossible for that pattern to eventually not arrive, if it exists in latent homosexuals.
i didnt intend to make it a religious debate.
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Ravage, any studies on a genetic defect on those who hate because they are told to by a book? Similarities in their brains to a sheep’s perhaps?
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^ u tell us, u seem to hate all muslims in general. perhaps u shud ask some of ur fellow members in KKK or US army.. its all the same ****.
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urgh.. I cannot control the urge, so here I am (again!) :p
I wasn't referring to you when I said baseless statements. I was referring to 99% pious beings that roam this BB and issue such statements without having a clue about it whatsoever.
I agree it might very well be an effect rather than a cause, but we have yet to see an hypothesis or a study claiming the above in case of homesexuality. And the basic difference between our viewpoint is, I don't consider it a crime. Homosexuals are as good or bad as any average hetrosexual. They have the same emotions, thoughts, aspirations as any other. But, obviously u see things in a different light.
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He questions so he must hate? Is that it? Go Bahh yourself.
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^ wohi lame come back.. "bahh" is the only solution u elderly ppl seem to know.
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Lame comeback to a post that makes assumptions based on misinterpretations. Please post a thread of mine that displays my hate that you unjustly accuse me of.
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CB.. agreed, there is a difference in our viewpoints and I can let it rest at that. i just dont agree with the whole natural-tendency as justification argument.
UTD.. there is a speculated religion gene by the way.. so its not all our fault :p
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Ravage I know. One researcher claims that it was used as a survival mechanism, that humans would not advanced if they did not take risks and in order to overcome such risks the idea of religion and more importantly the afterlife was created so those risks would be taken. The same researcher now claims that that idea (religion/afterlife) has lived passed its usefulness and is no longer needed for survival and is in fact possibly detrimental to the human race.
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hmm.. we'll see then.
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ravage miaN, when was the last time a human life was lost just 'cause there happen to be a gay around? Murderers and gays??? Do you even realize how silly your analogies are?
And yes, people with murderous genetic impulses do need psychiatric treatment because they friggin’ KILL people UNLIKE gays who may only have consentual sex with the same gender. If what they do in the privacy of their bedroom bothers you that much then stop thinking about it. You’re probably the one who needs help who can’t stop thinking about two men or two women having sex with eachother and galvanizing over the fact just 'cause bible said so. 
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I don’t know why you people get so bent out of shape about homosexuals. WE should be kind to all minorities, hindus, muslims, homos, blacks, pakistanis, chinese, whites, hispanics, …except the arabs..<–“who needs them?” 
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the analogy is very deliberately done, to make the point that just because some tendency may be genetic doesnt make it OK. lemme walk you through my reasoning: both of us agree that murder is immoral. its another ‘natural tendency’ in some people. murder is still immoral. thus ‘natural tendency’ doesnt negate immorality of actions.
i gunned down the idea of using ‘natural tendency’ as leverage additional to the usual arguments of consensual actions in privacy of the bedroom etc. The other debate has been done to death and I dont wanna indulge you in it. Just dont use the gene angle 'sall.
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Just because "natural tendency" may be a common factor does not mean the act and behaviour can be grouped together on the scale of morality. That scale is different for both because of different consequences. So what's valid in one case is not in the other.