Garment factory fire kills over 300

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I dont know, looking at some facts there might be some possibility, but only investigation will tell us that
what actually happenend.

What I know owners were granted bail, one of the guy resigned. Police has submitted an application to the state bank of Pakistan, they want to seize owners bank account. God Knows, what would they get by freezing their accounts, owners are not sole responsible, authorities are equally responsible for negligence which costs us so many lives.

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so the PM, didnt even bother going to the hospital to meet the injured?

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*Fire not caused by generator explosion, say investigators
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KARACHI, Sept 14: In the first such finding during the course of investigation into **the deadly factory fire](http://dawn.com/2012/09/15/factory-owner-surfaces-in-larkana-gets-protective-bail-minister-resigns-over-deadly-karachi-fire/), police officials on Friday ruled out the possibility that the fire was caused by a generator explosion, dismissing the earlier speculation and leaving several questions unanswered about the deadliest incident that has so far been seen as an accident.
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The investigators, who are busy connecting dots to find the cause of the fire that killed more than 250 people on three floors of Ali Enterprises in Baldia Town along the Hub River Road within hours, found little success while decoding the CCTV (closed-circuit television cameras) footage installed on the first floor of the industrial unit.

“We have prepared a preliminary report of our findings so far,” said Muneer Sheikh, AIG forensic division.

“After a thorough examination of the building and its infrastructure coupled with wiring and other stuff, it is clear that there was no generator explosion.”
**“All the generators are intact and safe,” **he added.

He said the forensic division of the Sindh police had collected two swabs from the three floors and handed those over to the investigation team for detailed analysis.
“A detailed examination of the evidence may help determine the factors responsible for the inferno, but it can take time to arrive at a final conclusion,” he added.

Meanwhile, the CCTV footage examined by a police investigation team, headed by the DIG CIA, only helped them determine the panic scene after the thick smoke of fire filled the cutting department on the first floor of the building.

“The only exit from the building was through a door with an electronic lock that failed to work when the fire disrupted the power supply, leaving workers trapped at the mercy of the smoke and flames,” said SP Niaz Khosa of the anti-violent crime cell (AVCC) while describing scenes of the scariest industrial incident of the country’s history.

“A large quantity of finished garments was piled on the floor and workers were calmly busy in their work. At 18:56 hours, fire appeared on screen and workers started running helter-skelter as everything got murky with the smoke.”

After two days of exercise, the police investigators have yet to ascertain if the fire was an incident or an arson activity after multiple examinations of the buildings and collections of several evidences. As shared by a senior officer, who is part of the four-member police investigation team, the probe could take ‘more time’, but he could not elaborate as to why it would take so long only to determine the cause of fire.

Sindh Governor Dr Ishratul Ibad, meanwhile, appointed Karachi commissioner Roshan Ali Sheikh as the chairman of a committee tasked with the inspection of factories across the city within a month to check security measures and all due fire safety protocols.

“The committee is set to meet on Saturday to set a line of action and initiate the process. The committee also includes members of the industrial association, civil defence as well as provincial labour and industries departments,” said Mr Sheikh after a meeting at the Governor’s House.

Fire not caused by generator explosion, say investigators | DAWN.COM

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There are too many rumors floating around. Every one responsible is trying to save his butt.
I think it is pointless at this moment to discuss what went wrong, as this will be mere assumption and speculation. We heard in the beginning that there was explosion in generators and this gave rise to terrorism speculation. Now we find out that generators are ok. We heard that there were no exits but the owner said it is not true.

It all depends on investigators to find out the causes.

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any updates?

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Sharmila Farooqi is such a joke. Seen her on 3 different tv shows all dolled up taking no responsibility for the tragedy on behalf of the government… Jub dekho Punjab ki buraiyan karne mein lagi hoti hai, or koi kam ki baat nai ati. She even went as far as agreeing with this other dude about his sabotage theory. :rolleyes:

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She is by far one of the most ugliest and pathetic female politician in Pakistan …

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Agreed, she’s quite a wily character!

I’ve had the displeasure of watching her a whole bunch of times, and no matter how serious or sad a situation is, she keeps on talking whatever sticks in her mind. Sadly, people like her are what drive the TV industry (more specifically, the current affair programs) in Pakistan, so they always get undue screen time.

I guess, if all you put up are well mannered, well behaved, sensible guests, very few would watch news talk shows!

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**Wages of Misgovernance

MORE than a week after the terrible blaze in Karachi and Lahore, in which some 300 workers perished, the people are still struggling to figure out the possibilities of progressing from rank misgovernance to a reasonably efficient management of public affairs.
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The seriousness of the effort is open to question though. Post-disaster cogitation in Pakistan is usually a nine-day affair devoted mostly to emotional dirges and acrimonious statements against some of the easily visible culprits. The link between a disaster and poor governance is seldom addressed and often deliberately ignored.

Instead of owning their failings and shortcomings, administrators and politicians join hands to dismiss disasters as accidents and tragedies beyond human control. Remedial action is limited to writing out cheques for the victims’ families, as if money can be adequate compensation for loss of life and valued relationships, or sending some minor functionaries into the wilderness, that too for a short period.

If the Karachi and Lahore disasters of Sept 11 do persuade the rulers to tackle the issues of misgovernance it will be a welcome break from a reprehensible tradition of criminal neglect of the interests of the people, especially industrial workers.

In 1995, the Sindh inspector-general of police, Mr Afzal Shigri, told human rights activists who were probing matters relating to organised extortion:

“The problem in Karachi is that no right or facility, be it an electricity connection or a permit to ply a bus, can be obtained through legal means.”
Seventeen years down the line the disease has spread to all corners of the land. Not only has the use of unlawful means to secure what is legally due become common, our genius has found ways of bypassing the law for all kinds of illegal gains. A great deal of noise is made about the corrupt practices of politicians while an issue of much greater concern is the corruption of the institutions of governance.

Whenever a factory building collapses or is destroyed by fire the first question asked is whether the premises had been built according to the rules. The answer in the case of the Lahore factory that caught fire last week as well as the chemical factory that collapsed some months ago was in the negative. Now Punjab’s smart officials are finding scores of unauthorised and irregular structures.

In Lahore, the problem of industrial units in residential localities, including those producing combustible material for fireworks, has never been solved. But in Karachi’s SITE area, the country’s first and duly planned industrial area, unauthorised construction or irregular maintenance of factories will be considered an avoidable invitation to disaster.

Who is to blame for allowing industrial activity on unsafe premises? The profit-hungry entrepreneurs or those who abolished the system of regular inspection of factories by inspectors employed by the departments of industries and labour? Nowhere does one find respect for the rules for emergency exits and preparedness for dealing with fire that once had to be approved, among others, by the civil defence authorities.
The federal government has now ordered a survey of firefighting arrangements in all factories/establishments. Why was this not done when fire destroyed land records in a Lahore office or a huge treasure of books at Ferozsons, again in Lahore, was reduced to ashes? Perhaps in today’s Pakistani culture, books are more worthless than even factory labour.

The stark reality is that the state’s inspection system has been dysfunctional for years and its revival in Punjab recently leaves much to be desired. If any official does, out of self-interest, visit an establishment to check on safety measures the owners choose insecurity by bribing the intruder.
The Karachi case has also exposed the scandal of workers’ security of tenure. The size of the workforce employed at the garments factory has not been revealed — but figures between 700 and 1,000 have been mentioned. It is said that no more than 250 workers were registered with the Employees Old-Age Benefit Institution (EOBI) and the employees paid contribution for only 200.

This form of exploitation of labour has been noticed all over the country. It has increased in Punjab after the provincial government exempted units employing less than 50 workers from trade union laws. At a large number of places, workers are not on factory rolls and do not have appointment letters. The fact is that labour laws are violated with impunity through collusion between the administration and the employers. And that doubtless amounts to misrule.

**No industrial trouble or disaster in Karachi can be examined without reference to the city’s culture of extortion. Were the garments factory’s exit gates locked as protection against raids by bhatta collectors as has been indicated or was this done to imprison workers till the requirements of the export order were met?
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If the owners were under extortionists’ threat, the government is responsible for failing to protect them. In the latter case, the government has a duty to ensure that in their zeal to maximise profits the employers do not put at risk the lives of their workers, in some cases their own lives too. Deficiencies in both areas fall in the category of administrative failures.

A friend has pointed out that one of the principal causes of disorder and disaster at industrial units is the suppression of the trade union movement. The government is no longer a neutral referee between employers and employees; over the years it has become more and more hostile to the working class.

Workers have been tried and sentenced under the Anti-Terrorism Act, but no employer has been made to pay for his misdeeds.
Strong trade unions can help employers to maintain safety standards and also resist the pressure of corrupt officials. True, labour unions too can make mistakes or advance unfair demands but their capacity to cause harm is much less than their ability to do good.

**The lesson from last week’s huge loss of life is that the long-pending task of moving towards good governance and rule of law cannot be delayed. Instead of treating the symptoms of misgovernance, it is the disease that must be attacked.
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Wages of misgovernance | DAWN.COM

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Is Pakistani media mad? Just watching Dawn news and the lady reporter is asking the parents who have lost 5 loved ones in the fire as to how they feel now?

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About fire, one word: Bhatta

Other channels/reporters should ask such reporters when they lose a loved one in an accident about how they feel.

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The culprit arrested - such a shameful act by MQM

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Allah ki lathi beawaz hay. MQM destroyed like Pharaoh and his army drowned in Red Sea.

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yeh hain Jinah Pur aor Sindh ko torhnay walay. Iblis bhi panah mangta hoga aaisay h@4@mi qatilon se. It is really a high time that muhajir should stop calling themselves as muhajir and become part of Sindh, call themselves as Sindhi and like they call Punjabi in Punjab. After watching this video the word ‘muhajir’ is itself a big cursed name.

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Mahool & Company absent from this thread!

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Any one who found guilty for any such criminal activity should be hanged , whether from MQM , PPP , ANP , PML PTI or JI

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gharib log aor gharibon ke bachay mare gai. Agar in h@4@mion ke bachay bhi aisay mara jain to phir dekhen tamasha.

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More importantly the voters and the people of Pakistan should stop electing such callous people.

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Voters in pakistan give votes for various reasons that include qeeme walee naan , pir sahb ka naam , continuation of family vote , bradry decision , ethnic vote etc. I dont see any change in the pattern unless more awareness is available.
I see a big difference in ppl of karachi from rest of the country.Many voters have denounced the leader whom they loved so much once he went against pakistan.
I dont see this to happen in other part of pakistan. Many leaders of different parties has given stataments against pakistan but still they r very much leaders of these parties… No one decnounced them

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jaisay kay mian pehlay bhi kai bar kah chuka hoan.. Hammad Siddiqi jaisay log MQM main woh bherain hian.. jinhon nay qoom kay lahoo ko bech dala… mujhya iss baat ka ilm to nahi kay yeh baldiya main involve tha kay nahi.. kionkay yeh charges 2015 main Rangers nay lagye thay.. aur ziydah tar charges jhoot par mabni hoty hian…

mager yeh baat wasooq say kah sakta hon… Hammad Siddiqui ka shumar aesay logon main kiya jasakta hia.. jinhon nay politics ko apni zaat kay liye istemal kiya …