India has planned major conventional arms acquisition together with certain other technologies that would benefit both its conventional and non-conventional arsenal such as Phalcon Airborne Aircraft System and Arrow Ballistic Missile System.
India and Pakistan have traditionally been involved in an asymmetrical military competition, with New Delhi enjoying a reliable edge over Pakistan. In the past, the transfer of conventional weapons from the United States and some other sources had allowed Islamabad to keep its capabilities at a level where it could challenge India and yet secure its defense.
Moreover, the competition was primarily in weapon technologies. The imposition of US arms embargo in October 1990 and Pakistan’s inability to finance major modernized military program had started to pose some problems for Islamabad. The disadvantage however, was offset due to development of nuclear deterrence capability.
But the two systems, which are to be acquired from Israel by India, are potential force multipliers. However, furthermore these are technologies that Pakistan might not be able to acquire. The airborne early warning aircraft for example would allow India to look deep inside the territory. Islamabad has noted that India has already started to have a certain advantage due to its acquisition and use of UAV’s from Israel. These were used for aggressive surveillance and have allowed New Delhi to gain more information about Pakistan’s deployment and tactical planning especially in the border areas.
I believe that this integeration of defensive weaponary having offensive capability would nonethless create pressure on Pakistan for advancement.
What do you guys think Pakistan’s response should be to India’s procurement of two aforementioned technologies???
The country needs alot of funding in regards to healthcare and education, if it was upto me i would put the money there but im not incharge... But militarily we need minimal deterance, so Advanced Technology needs to be accquired and it is better if we develop these ourselfs!
Pakistan is not in a position right now to support a conventional arms race with India.
For now, we should concentrate on building up our nuclear warfare capabilities and let it be known that nuclear weapons will be our primary line of defence, and thus that any Indo-Pak conflict would certainly lead to a massive nuclear exchange. I think the Pakistan government is already thinking along these lines: we were much more visible in declaring the mobilisation of nuclear arms to firing sites during the 2001/2002 crisis than India was.
In a few decades time, once our economy picks up to a sufficient rate to support a large build up of modern, conventional arms, we will then be able to match India for conventional arms.
Right now, trying to keep pace with India's conventional arms purchases would be pretty foolish, it would ruin our country completely.
Right now Pakistan spends about $2 to 3 bilion a year on defense. India spends about 6 to 10 billion a year and has plans on spending $95 billion in the next five years. Any ideas on how 3 billion is going to match 15 billion a year, particularly when 1 billion out of your defense budget comes from USA (which you all Pak guppies seem to hate so much).
Source of info: Pakistan: the eye of the storm by Owen Bennet Jones.
Re: Future Technological Acquisitions by India: Impact on Indo-Pak Relations
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.....But the two systems, which are to be acquired from Israel by India, are potential force multipliers. However, furthermore these are technologies that Pakistan might not be able to acquire. ...
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Cmon Minerva! Don't be that pessimistic. Let Iindia buy the toys. Pakistan will have similar toys in another 10 years or sooner. Indira's cracker of 1974 got a 5 year response from Pak. Sure Bharat is big, but we ain't small either. We had some setbacks in the past but 150 million Paks can easily respond to many of these threats.
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.....Any ideas on how 3 billion is going to match 15 billion a year,
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You think Bharat can sustain $15 billion per year for long? Learn to be American before copying them in the arms race thingy. Otherwise "kawa Chala Huns ki Chaal......" (monkey see monkey do).
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*Originally posted by antiobl: *
Cmon Minerva! Don't be that pessimistic. Let Hindia buy the toys. Pakistan will have similar toys in another 10 years or sooner. Indira's cracker of 1974 got a 5 year response from Pak. Sure Bharat is big, but we ain't small either. We had some setbacks in the past but 150 million Paks can easily respond to many of these threats.
You know when you live next to a Hindian, you learn to protect yourself from the stinky wind. You think Bharat can sustain $15 billion per year for long? Learn to be American before copying them in the arms race thingy. Otherwise "kawa Chala Huns ki Chaal......" (monkey see monkey do).
Source of info: check your clothes.
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you spend twice per capita and how long yuou can sustain with population growth more than india ?
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...India can easily triple its military spending without breaking a sweat.
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Break a sweat. Man it is pouring down in Bihar's hot sun. Go increase it to 3 times and we shall see. Otherwise it is just hot (and not so good smelling i.e. stinky) wind.
The reality is that both Pakistan and Bharat are developing (i.e. 3rd class) economies in the world. Abject poverty hurts the eyes of anyone visiting Bihar. Then you get a chance with F-1 visa, start living in USA, and think Bharat is Mahan (great). What kind of illogic is that?
^^ See we will not increase it any more than we have to because our rulers are accountable to the people every 5 years or less. But the cushion is there, if we have to use it.
Of course India and Pakistan are third world world countries, but the comparison is between the two nations so their relative performance is the one that matters, not their absolute positions in the world.
As to poverty, India's poverty has been heading down while Pakistan's has been moving in the opposite direction. Same with population growth.
Does this mean that India can dream of Pakistan "collapsing" due to defence expenditure? Not at all.
What it really means is that Pakistan needs to reconsider ideas about matching India dollar for military dollar. In the long run, your military security is more dependent on your social and economic security than the number of guns you own.
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...... your military security is more dependent on your social and economic security than the number of guns you own.
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Baba! Go teach this lesson to the warmongers of Bharat. They ought to realize their limitations and concentrate on social and economic security. What's stopping you?
Let's take care of our problem while you deal with Bihari poverty. It is only fair to the people of the two countries.
Baba! Go teach this lesson to the warmongers of Bharat. They ought to realize their limitations and concentrate on social and economic security. What's stopping you?
Let's take care of our problem while you deal with Bihari poverty. It is only fair to the people of the two countries.
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You don't get it do you?
India spends more per capita as well as per dollar of GDP on education, poverty alleviation and social welfare than Pakistan does. What we spend on defence is the bare minimum needed to modernize our forces in a two threat environment. China spends over $60 billion on defence and you guys spend enough to sustain a 10+ year low-grade war with us. Plus you guys get most of the basic stuff for next to nothing from China. We have to pay top dollar for our stuff, even from Russia.
Indian socio-economic situation is not as dire as yours. Our democracy takes care of people who cut social spending. Look at the 2004 elections.
But I don't see you guys "taking care" of the problem at least as of last 2-3 years' budgets.
Baba! Seems like you have run out of arguments. It is time for Biharis to go fix the state of King Lallu. Let Pakistanis fix their home. No need to give others lectures while you don’t have decent water and sewage systems.
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....Indian socio-economic situation is not as dire as yours. ......
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Sure now Bihar exceeds in living standards compared to Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, and Sarhad combined. Happy now!
These Biharis walk naked and sleep on footpaths while giving lectures to Pakistan. ha!
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... lay off the warmongers bit.
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This is a thread on Bharat buying weapons. What do you want to call it? Kabootar (dove)?
Baba! Go teach this lesson to the warmongers of Bharat. They ought to realize their limitations and concentrate on social and economic security. What's stopping you?
Let's take care of our problem while you deal with Bihari poverty. It is only fair to the people of the two countries.
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why dont you compare east punjab vs west punjab and east and west bengal that makes sense?
OBL , you are a paki-satani from the land of paki-satan.
When ever you have nothing to add you bring up lallu the kalu from bihar or throw in baha-rat for good measure or kiss up to paki-satani army.
I can understan your compulsions. You probably belong to those unfortunate muslim wannabe paki-satani who are declared non-muslim by the paki-satani constitution and feel that you should be more loyal than the king to prove your patriotism. I do not think of you as any lesser human being just because you have been declared a non-muslim.
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...why dont you compare east Punjab vs west Punjab....?
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Bengal is your domain so I won't comment.
Now for Punjab! What would you compare?
East Punjab didn't even get its own capital O! Mr. Stats!
Here are some key measurements. Compare East Punjab and West Punjab on these 10 aspects.
Airports
Roads
Gas and electricity supply
Universities
Hospitals
Industry
Overall wealth
Share in government jobs compared to the rest of the country
Number of Doctors and engineers
Representation in Armed forces.
You bring your stats and I'd bring mine. Let's have a Dangal (wrestling) Punjabi style.
I have seen both East and West Punjab and I assure you, East Punjab lost big time after 1947.
The Punjabi land was butchered into Himachal, Hariyana and the tiny remaining East Punjab.
Punjabi Sikhs have been murdered whole sale and selectively kicked out of Bharati armed services.
The whole Bharat eats off of Punjab and then rewards East Punjab with murder, and ethnic cleansing. Nothing could be more anti-Punjab than the Bharati regime. Those billions you claim Bharat spends on military come from the blood and sweat of Punjabi farmers. The same Sikhs are then kicked out of the army. This is what we call justice, Sardar Wilab Bhai Patel style. Thank you Southies, you truly fulfilled your promises to East Punjab. Shabaash.
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...Actually Sikhs are well taken care of in the army. Our next army chief is likely to be a Sikh, Gen. J.J.Singh.
But then again, facts don't seem to matter with you
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I listed 10 items and you come up with a lame response with reference to some JJ.
Clearly shows that IIT of Bihar is no match for Pakistan. Oh! wait. There is no such thing like IIT in the land of King Lallu.