Fury over Musharraf's 'cry rape, get rich' claim

**Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has denied that he accused rape victims of using their situation to make money in a newspaper interview.

But, one of the authors of Tuesday’s article in the Washington Post told the BBC News website that the president had been quoted “verbatim” in the article.

The article quoted Gen Musharraf as saying that rape had become a “moneymaking concern” in Pakistan. **

Women’s groups held protests in Pakistan on Friday against the remarks.

**But Glenn Kessler, co-author of the Washington Post article, told the BBC News website: “The president’s comments were tape recorded and they were quoted verbatim and in context.” **

In the second half of the article, Musharraf is quoted as saying “You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a moneymaking concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.”

Mukhtar Mai told the BBC that no woman could subject herself to rape to make money

“The article did not try to sensationalise the quotes and in fact they were not the main focus of the article,” he said.

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What a complete idiot what woman is going to get raped just to get canadian citizenship or a few dollars, women do have dignity and shame even though this idiot musharraff has not one drop of shame or dignity in selling his ass to amerikka!**

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A guy I know who works for the Candian imigration says there have been cases of Pakistani women reporting rape for the sake of assylum.. It is a possiblity that some might have lied for th sake of a vesa...

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Hey if some women have done that i don't know and yes it is possible some could have lied i know some muslims pretend to be qadianis and say they going to be killed for their belief in mirza ahmadhi even though they not qadianis!, but you cannot make a generalised statement that women get raped to get money and citizenship this is really insult and slap in the face of women who have been raped.

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enough of this chur chur, ISPR and him both clarified thats not what he said.

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*But Glenn Kessler, co-author of the Washington Post article, told the BBC News website: "The president's comments were tape recorded and they were quoted verbatim and in context." *

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Yes, and have you even read the article yourself? Go find the part where Musharraf himself is saying HE thinks women are getting raped for visa’s? Go on, go find it.

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There is no point in spinning for musharaff he made a complete idiot of himself by making these comments and now he is left red faced.

The interview was conducted by three Washington Post reporters and tape-recorded. A review of the recording Sunday confirmed that Musharraf – who was surrounded by aides who took notes and also recorded the interview – made the remarks and was accurately quoted.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/18/AR2005091800554.html

musharraf:

“You must understand the environment in Pakistan,” Musharraf was quoted as saying in the article. “This has become a moneymaking concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.”

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As I predicted, you cannot find the part where Musharraf himself is saying HE thinks women are getting raped for visa’s? Nice to know that you are relying on those liberal, secular, “kuffar” sources like CNN to back yourself up…the word hypocrite comes to mind. :slight_smile:

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you know are you reading the transcripts do you want me to buy you a pair of glasses, oh very sorry for using washington post and cnn im sorry i could'nt find the report on al jazeera how is using washington post hypocrisy why are you using an intel chip to power your computer ummm yes thought so, its generic and not haram to use.

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Me thinks you need the glasses Khilafah tot. Find the part where Musharraf is saying HE thinks women are getting raped for visa’s? I challenge you to find it, and post it - use any liberal, secular, “kuffar” source you want, I won’t make light of the obvious irony of it. :slight_smile:

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“You must understand the environment in Pakistan,” Musharraf was quoted as saying in the article. “This has become a moneymaking concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.”

do you want me to post it again

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Adda boy. Read carefully now…

"A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped."

Does he say I (Musharraf) say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped? NOPE.

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This statement from Musharraf doesn't make sense to me. I understand his purpose is to defend against the false impression of rape in Pakistan, he could have choosen various other routes. He could have said it in another way. His statement instead of doing good, is in fact bad for Pakistan.

Stupid toddy of Bush and company........ Spoke like G W Bush this time

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He could have given the rape statistics in USA and other countries, lets say, India, the most immediate neighbor......

He could have run an internet search himself or asked his secretary to give him such statistics..... I am sure this would have been far far better and effective way to prove his point...... rather than saying that "Poeple say" get yourself raped if you want to go to Canada or America, whata stupid comment......

He could have clarified that sex with consent between two people who are not wed also comes in the circle of crime in Pakistan...... So as to put reverse pressure on those who put finger on Pakistan..........

What does he mean, everyone who comes to these countries obtaines a visa in this manner?????

What are the embassies and consulates of other countries doing in Pakistan then?????

Does he wanna raise an issue that this is how PAkistanis go out?????

Wah wah Musharraf ji, tuhadi kiya hi baat aey

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You are so brainwashed you will spin anything youdon;t want to believe :rolleyes:

Yet more lies from Busharraf:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4256218.stm

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf has denied that he accused rape victims of using their situation to make money in a newspaper interview.

But, one of the authors of Tuesday’s article in the Washington Post told the BBC News website that the president had been quoted “verbatim” in the article.

The article quoted Gen Musharraf as saying that rape had become a “moneymaking concern” in Pakistan.

Women’s groups held protests in Pakistan on Friday against the remarks.

During a press conference at the offices of Time magazine, Gen Musharraf said that he was not insensitive enough to accuse raped women of using their situation to make money.

He said the newspaper had misinterpreted what he had said and had misquoted him.

‘Verbatim’ But Glenn Kessler, co-author of the Washington Post article, told the BBC News website: “**The president’s comments were tape recorded and they were quoted verbatim and in context.” **

**“The article did not try to sensationalise the quotes and in fact they were not the main focus of the article,” he said. **

**In the second half of the article, Musharraf is quoted as saying “You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a moneymaking concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.”

He made the comments in the context of a question about the treatment of high-profile rape victim Mukhtar Mai.

The Women’s Action Forum in Pakistan described the president’s reported comments as “outrageous”.

‘Not unique’

Last week President Musharraf told a conference on violence against women in Islamabad that Pakistan should not be singled out for its treatment of women.

He also lashed out at rights groups for their role in highlighting cases such as Ms Mai’s outside the country. Leading rights groups called the conference a “farce”.

The president’s critics say he pays only lip service to cracking down on the abuse of women, hundreds of whom are raped and murdered every year in so-called honour cases in Pakistan. Despite government protestations that it is doing much to help women, many of those who try to register cases of rape and violence find it as hard as ever to do so, campaigners say.

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Have you thought why the WP did not the comments the main focus of the article? Read the actual statement he made, and you will realise why. Maybe because Musharraf himself was not stating that he believed such a thing was happening, but that a lot of people were saying this, which is quite a difference from him actually saying it was his personal opinion.

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Published in the Opinion section of Dawn, its self-explanatory:

http://www.dawn.com/2005/09/19/op.htm

Where is the institutional response?
By Dr Farzana Bari
AFTER the shocking incidence of the rape of Mukhtaran Mai, Dr Shazia Khalid and now Sonia Naz — which has brought into question the existence of an informal parallel judicial system of panchayats and jirgas in the country, exposed the criminal nature of the police and the inability of the criminal justice system to dispense justice in cases of violence against women — most appalling is the response of the government to the issue of rape in Pakistan.

The way the “enlightened” and “women friendly” regime of President Pervez Musharraf reacted to the rape victims and those who stood by them is no different than the reaction of a typical feudal lord or the patriarch of the family who believes that abuse and violence within the family or community is a private matter. Therefore, those who dare to speak of private matters in public must be awarded exemplary punishment for ‘dishonouring’ and bringing a bad name to the family or the community.

Similarly, the government in general and the president in particular are behaving like a patriarch of the family and constantly threatening rape victims and women rights organizations of dire consequences of “washing their dirty linen” abroad as it is believed that this will bring a bad name to the country.

Due to a dominant feudal and patriarchal mindset, the government is unable to understand that Pakistan has not been singled out in the world due to the incidence of rape as it is a global phenomenon and happens all over the world. It is the poor institutional response, mishandling of the government of high profile rape cases that got enormous media publicity at home and abroad and the mindboggling statements made on various occasions nationally and internationally by no less a person than the president of Pakistan, that have singled out Pakistan.

**It is important for Pervez Musharraf to understand that images are not built by silencing the voices of the oppressed but by changing ugly realities. The statement he made to the Washington Post, and which he later denied having made, “you must understand the environment in Pakistan, this has become a money-making concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped” is most damaging to the image of the country. It shows the height of disrespect to the women of Pakistan. As a head of state he should know that he has committed a political blunder to quote the most decadent minority view as a dominant public view of Pakistanis on the issue of rape.
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It is ironic that Gen Musharraf’s military regime has done the most to empower women politically through the reservation of seats and has hosted record number of regional and international conferences on gender issues that are attended by the president and the prime minister. This approach is fairly unique and uncommon as compared with other countries. And yet the government has messed up in the handling the most sensitive cases of rape in Pakistan.

What is wrong in the government approach is the lack of basic understanding of gender-based violence. It is trying to formulate an ad hoc case by case response to the issue of violence against women that is a structural issue and demands a most comprehensive institutional response. The government must understand that the direct intervention of the prime minister or the president in cases of violence against women is not the solution of the problem.

There is an inherent limitation in responding to such cases at the personal level. How many cases would they be able to intervene in? There are hundreds and thousands of women who become victims of violence everyday. What is needed is to put in place an effective, robust and specialized institutional arrangement.

Violence against women is systemic and structural that requires a structural change which is not possible without complete restructuring of the state and society in order for them to become violence free. Structural change is a long-term project. While it is important that the government works towards a long-term strategy to transform socio-cultural, political, legal, economic and criminal justice system to become more gender sensitized and responsive, there is an urgent need to develop an effective response to deal with the cases of violence that are being reported in the print and electronic media daily.

If the government is interested in building its image on the violence against women front, it needs to focus on immediate institutional solutions to the problem. Presently the institutional response to reported cases of violence is poor because our institutions are inefficient, insensitive and ill-equipped to deal with violence against women cases. In turn the pathetic delayed institutional response puts the government in an embarrassing position. Therefore, we need to establish a parallel institutional arrangement that is highly effective and efficient.

In this regard a concrete suggestion to the government will be to establish a dedicated high-profile committee consisting of members who are known for their expertise, credibility and commitment to the issue of violence against women (VAW). The committee should have an attached court (high court judges exclusively working on cases of VAW), police, laboratory with facility of DNA testing, legal experts, shelter, etc.

This committee, with its comprehensive response package to VAW, must be mobile and should be able to go from place to place across the country. The committee should hear cases of VAW on the spot, conduct investigation with their attached specialized police, the attached specialized court with its judges should decide cases promptly and dispense justice without delay.

The committee could be placed under the umbrella of the National Commission on the Status of Women or the Ministry of Women’s Development. However, it must be independent of these institutions, otherwise the inherent inefficiency of these institutions would negatively influence the work of the committee too.

The travelling committee with a comprehensive response package to the cases of violence against women will go a long way not only to bring credibility to the government but also to create a social and psychological environment that will support and promote the enlightened moderation policy.

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And here’s another concientous opinion published in the News, once again self-explanatory:

**http://jang.com.pk/thenews/index.html **

The general in his labyrinth
Out of my head
Khusro Mumtaz

No wonder Pakistan has to resort to hiring very, very, very expensive foreign image consultants. When the nation’s leaders keep opening their mouths and inserting their feet into them with outrageous statements with alarming regularity then image consultants are sorely needed to rush in and shore up the damage. In the coming weeks these very, very, very expensive consultants will really have to earn their keep because the General’s gone and done the same thing again – opened his mouth and inserted his foot into it, that is.

In an interview with the Washington Post the General held forth on a wide range of subjects including keeping his uniform on and remaining at the helm of Pakistan after 2007, the US invasion of Iraq and its aftermath, Iran’s right to peaceful use of nuclear power, Dr AQ Khan’s sale of designs and centrifuge parts to North Korea for use in that country’s uranium enrichment programme, and the possible whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden.

The real jaw-dropper, however, came when the General declared that he had no regrets about the way he had handled the Mukhtaran Mai case (a complete administrative and political debacle if ever there was one) and then went to say, “You must understand the environment in Pakistan. This has become a moneymaking concern. A lot of people say if you want to go abroad and get a visa for Canada or citizenship and be a millionaire, get yourself raped.”

So** much for gender sensitivity, enlightened moderation and Pakistan’s soft image. Does the General even realise what it is that he said? Does he have even an inkling of what rape is like for a woman? Would any amount of money or a Canadian or American or European citizenship be worth getting raped for? As Mukhtaran Mai said in a recent newspaper interview, “I offer all the ‘riches’ I’ve made out of the panchayat-enforced gang-rape to the president in return for justice,” and elaborated that Canada had offered her immigration but she had refused, adding, “I will stay here to fight my case till the last.” It’s justice that Mai and women like her want – not money and citizenship of foreign countries. Though one could hardly blame them for wanting to escape a country where not only do women get raped but then they are victimised all over again by a governmental, judicial, bureaucratic and police machinery that is unwilling (or unable) to help.**

That, dear General, is why Pakistan is singled out for condemnation. Not because women get raped – that happens everywhere as you yourself have pointed out – but because the country’s justice system is so flawed and its societal mores so geared against women that it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for women to get redress. That is where the General should be focusing his ire – not against the women brave enough to make their plight public and risk even greater condemnation and not against the NGOs that help them fight their cases. The Mukhtaran Mais, Dr. Shazias and Sonia Nazs are to be admired and supported. They and the NGOs are not to be (figuratively) burnt at the stake. The messengers are not to be shot.

The General now denies that he ever made any such remarks, saying that he isn’t so insensitive that he would blame rape victims for exploiting their ordeals. And, of course, he can take the tack that he was only quoting “a lot of people”, not expressing his own opinion. But even by merely repeating such suggestions (especially when placed in the context of the rest of the interview) the General can hardly be called blameless. Such statements cause more harm to Pakistan than any number of Mukhtarans, Shazias or Sonias.

The General, though, isn’t one to apologise. He’s a soldier and soldiers don’t express regret or second-guess themselves. What they do is march on, confident in their beliefs, their own righteousness, their own superiority, and their own infallibility. As the General told the Post, he’s “totally turned around Pakistan” helped to foster democracy, protected the freedom of the press, empowered local government, and improved the position of women in society.

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reza give it up man its getting boring , your becoming like those right wing amerikkans who won't have any bad words said against Bush no matter what he does!

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You must one of the people that Musharraf means when he said a lot of people say such things?