from Einstein to Plato

May 26th, 1919: the world is ready for perhaps THE biggest battle in science: Newton vs Einstein. A solar eclipse which would for ever swing the pendulum in one’s way.
After this day, the world was ready to embrace Relativity. The theory by Einstein with which he tried to answer the basic question of ‘what is the world around us? what is it made of? what are its secrets’
The core message of this theory was based on 2 ‘axiomata’: that all observers in steady motion are equal observers (relativity), and that the speed of light is absolute for any observer, that magical number: roughly 300,000 kmps.
Einstein postulated that everything we observe in our world is subject to relativity and that the only single thing absolute in the physical world was the speed of light. All transfer of energy, matter, information was subject to this speed.

Centuries before Einstein, a Greek philosopher Plato who also tried to answer the same question, had a strikingly similar theorem, the theory of Ideas. This theory basically stating that everything we observe in the world around us, or at least the perception we have of the world around us is merely a reflection of the (ideal) Idea behind it. In other words one can state that the perception of different people was a subjective =relative (!):ahaa:] perception, and the only absolute thing underlying this perception was the Idea behind it. and to go a level higher, even these Ideas had an idea behind it: the Idea of Idea, often referred to as the Upper-Idea. According to Plato this was the only absolute ‘thing’ in the world. It was this which actually lay at the basis of all perception, thought, transfer of information.

Isn’t it striking to see that two people, completely seperated by a lot of space-time between them, basically approached the same question from two different viewpoints (one from a qualitative introspective approach, Plato, and the other from a quantitive extrospective approach, Einstein), and ended up at the same thing: the human perception is relative, there is only one absolute thing underlying all this relativity?

  • NeSCio 2003

^^ disclaimer: This introspective and extrospective analysis of relativity has been copied and pasted from ..................?

^from my brain. for that i don't need copyright authorisation :p

Light is everywhere. In complete darkness we r all da same, only our knowledge & wisdom seperate us.

The point here is that if they arrived @ da same point, then we might as well say case closed. Light is around us & even we emanate light.

Defying tradition and bringing ill repute to the patented Nescio name the post did not contain any grammatical, proverbial or adverbial mistakes. That was the reason that baffled me and urged me to put in a disclaimer.

Nevertheless it is an interesting read.:)

Plato believed that it was the eyes which projected rays of their own which bounced of objects and back, while Einstein’s theroy relied on light as a measure. I don’t know how you can compare the two…

Plato also believed that the eye was only capable of receiving black and white…

Dr. Abdus Salam, who also researched light and came up with the ‘quantum packet’ theory and for which he got the Nobel prize…

According to his theory lights are actually packets of energy…

And what happened to Newton?:konfused:

:smack: I’m not talking specifically about light, though i took light as an example; let me rephrase: electromagnetic radiation.

i’m not comparing the light of Einstein with that of Plato’s, rather I’m comparing the notions of relativity and absolutism used by both.

Way out of my league…:konfused:

he is still considered the best scientist the world has ever seen. just read the enscription on his grave:

*“Mortals! Rejoice at so great an ornament to the human race!” *

^^ Noty newton, hmmmmmmm makes u wonder what makes him so gr8 - Every action has an equal & opposite reaction.

^calculus, orbits of the planets, dynamics, binomial theorem, optics

Newton has contributed significantly to all the abovementioned fields in maths and physics.

If he contributed 2 da success of science then praise but I dont give a damn about him, coz da person who invented da atom bomb has it all. 1 nuke & everythin is gone. Now is that science or is that science. I mean all of this was created by da Lord. It only took a human 2 discover all of this. But nukes werent sent from da heaven above, they were invented, so I say - nuclear scientists r da best.

I'm not a destructive person, but look @ da greeks & what happened with them. They had all da powers, but they lacked 1 thing - there was a power even more Supreme.;)

all was discovered but nuclear power was invented???

do u think that E=MC^2 was invented??? no! it was present all the time, it was discovered by Einstein. Was uranium invented? no it was discovered. yes, the final step of making the bomb might have been an invention but the processes behind it were very thoroughly discoveries. even then, hadn't it been for the calculus by Newton the damn bomb wouldn't still have been invented yet.

Well it was marie curie & her husband who really did a fine job of boosting nuclear science. I never implied E=MC2 was invented, it was discovered. It was lying dormant, waiting 4 some1 2 discover it.

Well if newton's law wasnt invented we wouldnt have had da nagasaki & hiroshima disaster, & this world would have been a better place. Now every nuclear powered country fears da other - Im talkin bout big bro & da big bear, & da 2 poorest countries on earth who dont have food 4 da poor but they have da budget 2 Xpand nuclear plants. Ironic isnt it.

^as they say, all major invention..or any invention in general can be used both for the better and the worse for society...and with nuclear power it isn't any different

Hmmm
gr8 work Nes

** i shouldn't be here* ..Scrams out...*

^^ What gr8 work did nescio do that ur praising him?

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all was discovered but nuclear power was invented???

do u think that E=MC^2 was invented??? no! it was present all the time, it was discovered by Einstein. Was uranium invented? no it was discovered. yes, the final step of making the bomb might have been an invention but the processes behind it were very thoroughly discoveries. even then, hadn't it been for the calculus by Newton the damn bomb wouldn't still have been invented yet.
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many "discoveries" are accidental, scientists found out something while looking for something else.

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many "discoveries" are accidental, scientists found out something while looking for something else.
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partly this is also because such discoveries also get more attention, just because they were accidental. Nevertheless, as you say, a lot of important discoveries have been made this way. The reason for it being that ppl try to find a solution applying very difficult and complex processes whereas nature usually works simplisticly :~)

Dr. Abdus Salam did not get his nobel prize for quantum packet theory !
He got it for his “electroweak theory”. there are 4 forces of nature:
Gravitational, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear force and the electromagnetic force.

Dr. Abdus salam and two other scientists proved that under certain conditions the weak nuclear force and Electromagnetic become one force. For this theory all three scientists shared the Nobel prize in 1979.