First of all in this Paragraph there is no Identification of Mubahila. Why don't you read it again....He prayed because he realized that he was comissioned....
"To Ustad Sanahullah - Salam on whosoever follows the guidance. For a considerable period, I have been called a liar and a profligate in your magazine 'Ahl-e-Hadith'. In this magazine, you always call me 'This accursed liar, anti-Christ, corrupter'. It publicizes to the whole world that I am an innovator, a liar, an anti-Christ; that I have forged a lie as far as my claim of Messiahship is concerned'. I have suffered considerable pain at your hands, but I remained patient. But when I realized that I have been commissioned for dissemination of the truth and you prevent people from paying attention to me on account of your calumnies against me. So, I pray that if I am a liar and an innovator, as you refer to me in your magazine, then I shall die during your life-time, because I know that the life-span of a liar and a corrupter is not long. Instead, he lies frustrated during the life-time of his staunch enemies, in shame and degradation. In his death lies the welfare of God's creatures, as he can not mislead them after his death. But if I am not a liar and an innovator, but I am honored by Allah's address and dialogue, and I am the promised Messiah, then I pray that you shall not escape the end of liars according to God's practice. So I announce that if you do not die during my life by God's punishment which can not but be from God alone - for example that you die of plague or Cholera - then I am not an Apostle of God Almighty.
Secondly why is Mirza Sahib saying that the life of a liar is short when you stated the opposite.
Its called Mubahala whether you like it or not. Please read my first mail about molvi Sanaullah and everybody can understand that how he ran away for the challenge. Molvi Sanaullah himself said that sometimes God lengthen the life of a liar and he himself died later than the Promised Messiah.
You wrote:
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Fateh Sahib where did Mirza Sahib die...???
I will die either in Mekkah or Medina."
(Tadhkira, P. 591)
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As already mentioned that Tadhkira is a book of revelations and Ilhaams and this was also an Ilhaam. And in Tadhkira Promised Messiah himself give a description of this Ilhaam that by either dying in Mecca or Medina symbolizes the the victory that would be given to the Promised Messiah. Please refer to Tadhkira page 526. I hope that you have a copy of Tadhkira with yourself
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Mr. Perplexing,
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So where do you think Quran was before it was sent DOWN?
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It was in Loh-e-Mahfooz and I am sensing that you have some issues with this as well. But I am not goin to indulge in this conversation. So lets see now up till now....
Same for you! May Allah bless us! and he is not my Mirza. He is the Promised Messiah and Imam Mehdi for the whole world. Whether you like it or not.
Mr. perplexing:
You are trying to see everything in black and white. You want everything to be in a manner which suits you better. I am afraid that would not be the case.
In Holy Quran:
10: 14. And We destroyed many generations before you when they did wrong; and there came to them Messengers with clear Signs, but they would not believe. Thus do We requite the guilty people.
And about Loh-e-Mahfooz, is it present some where physicaly? In another universe or galaxy!
Don't know about the authenticity of audio clip you posted. But there are three/four Ahmadis answering the allegations raised against the Promised Messiah and I don't think any one of them is using foul language against the opponents.
And Inshallah Islam would spread through out the world through the hand of Ahmadis.
Listen Fateh Ahmadi Sahib. I have stated previously I am not indulging in this with you when it says sent DOWN it means from up above! I do not have a physical address for this. I wish I did so we could all post a letter of questions. Since you do not see this as the same issue, I will let it rest there.
you still have to answer the Age question. Please refrain from running away from that.
"Writings of liar compulsorily contains contradictions." (Zamima Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya part 5, Roohani Khazain vol 21 p.275)
"To Curse is not the Quality of a SIDDIQ (Truthful). Believer does not send Curses." (Roohani Khazain vol. 3, p.456)
Mirza Remembers his another opponent, Hazrath Mehr Ali Shah, in following words: "Lair, Khabees (wicked). Sting like a scorpion. O Land of Golra! Curse of God be upon you. You have become accursed because of the cursed one." (Roohani Khazain vol.18)
"Enemies (meaning Muslims) have become swines of our jungle and their women have become worse than bitches." (Roohani Khazain vol.14 p.53)
For his opponent Maulvi Saadullah Ludhianvi, Mirza writes: "Demon. Secondrel Profilgate. Devil. Accursed seed of evil person. Wicked Mischievous. III-omened Son of a Bitch." (Roohani Khazain vol.14 p.53)
again you pasted here cut and paste from Anti Ahmadis websites.
Well let me explain u onething.
Hz Masih Maood(as) NEVER EVER start first to use hard words against THOSE who insulted AnHz Mohammad :saw:, and even Mullahs of his time, BUT about hard words, dont we find hard words in Hadith and Holy Quran too?? which EXACTLY discribe the character of such person??
Ulema of Islam in later days are called pigs and monkey and worst creation under the sky.
Unbliever are called monkey and dogs (as much I know) and are cursed many time.
Now some1 would say, if Islam is a Religion of PEACE(which we Ahmadi Muslim totaly believe) then why such words from Allah(swt).
Well Hz Masih Maood(as) used the SAME SUNNAH which Allah(swt) and AnHz Mohammad :saw: used.
But you guyz dont understand it!!
Islamabad
Allah(swt) made this Muslim Jamaat and is saving us for 114 years, as even Zia ul Haq claim to destroy this Jamaat and many other Mullahs!!
Enemies wish for my death and prophecise about it. God has, however, given me the good news that I shall live for eighty (80) years or more."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 239; Mawahib-ur-Rahman, P. 21)
I think you know when he died,do the math!
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I am just going through Ruhani Khazain and the page numbers you have given up doesn't match up. On Ruhani Khazain vol. 19 page 239, Mawahib-ur-Rahman has page 23 not page 21.
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Mr. Perplexing,
You wrote:
I am just going through Ruhani Khazain and the page numbers you have given up doesn't match up. On Ruhani Khazain vol. 19 page 239, Mawahib-ur-Rahman has page 23 not page 21.
So can you please give the correct page numbers.
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Mr Fateh Ahmad Sahib. Its........
Enemies wish for my death and prophecise about it. God has, however, given me the good news that I shall live for eighty (80) years or more."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 239)
I just read it.Its in Arabic and translated into Pharsi. Its the second line from the top.
Thanks for pointing out that I had copied and pasted. It might be against the law in your world but not in mine. I would request you to stick to the questions and there answers.
“I have not even answered back anyone with abusive language.” (Roohani Khazain vol. 19 p.236)
What does answering back mean? Does the answer come before a question? No I think it does’nt then that means…Mirza Sahib meant He did’nt curse regardless if some one started it or not.
I will check later the ORIGINAL line, and will present here, cuz I am 99,99 % sure, that something is missing here.(as my expirience with many anti ahmadis stuff)