atleast they equally ban all relgious symbols so nobody can complain
The ban would outlaw the Jewish kippa, large Christian crosses and the Islamic headscarf, which would be considered overt religious symbols
FRANCE has 10 % muslim population and it will be only a matter of time when the french will learn to respect and accept the muslim way of life
Sometimes I wonder why is it that the 10% cannot learn to accept and respect the 90% 's way of life?
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gud point. How come this, never occures to them.
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FRANCE has 10 % muslim population and it will be only a matter of time when the french will learn to respect and accept the muslim way of life
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It could be said that France has a 90% non-Muslim population and it will be only a matter of time when they will learn to respect and accept the western (secular) way of life. This is one of the unfortunate outcomes of the politicalization of religion. I don't think this would be such a big issue if the boundaries between religion and politics had not blurred and forced on society.
www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7195
"In fact, the only things that are growing in France right now are crime and Islamism. Some readers have been amazed by the fact that teenaged girls and young women in many city districts have to wear the Islamic veil if they do not want to be harassed, but it gets worse. A few weeks ago, a young Arab burnt a teenaged girl alive in the suburbs of Paris. He was convicted of murder, but he became a hero and an example for other young Arabs living in the same kind of areas. Two month ago, ten Arab men who raped another teenaged girl in another district were convicted and condemned to spend five years in jail. Yes, just five years. Their families left the court of justice shouting to the journalists it was unfair and they would look out for revenge. Eight days later, the court was burnt down during the night. The teenaged girl and her family have had to leave Paris, and hide in another part of the country."
just 10% and its already painful....tch tch!!
^ Excellent source soul...would you also care to cut and paste some of the comments such as the one bullet one muslim war of liberation declaration?? How do you come up with these things? Just type Muslim bad in google?
Mr. Soul,
So every crimes commited by Muslims in France are because of the Muslim girls wearing head scarves to the schools.
Its realy astonishing that in a country running totaly nude on a street would not be a crime but wearing a head scarf would be! What a country!
madhanee
there is already 3 or 4 posts in last few months about so called liberal europe and america banning hijabs.
There is on already in religion forum about germany banning hijabs and it includes posts about france doing same!
Why you so worried about america being bashed everytime if theres no smoke then theres no fire!
America or any country including some so called muslim countries will continue to be attacked and vilified for actions they do which are clearly wrong!
Well the losers you mentioned who can’t take when there beloved america is criticized better check this link out to find answer to their question!
Germany to ban Muslim veil in schools/French minister bars Muslim juror[Merged]
This is the heighth of hypocricy, France is a country for animals.
You probably got France mixed up with Saudi Arabia!!
How the 10% population of France is not respecting and accepting the western way of life?...I always thought that the western way of life gave the individual the freedom to practice his religion, vote as a responsible citizen, keep his or her cultural traditions, obey the law of the land. The 10% is doing all this but still they are targeted.
Or may be the western secular concept is to protect the Judeo-Christian secular concept, where there is no place for any other religion, if this is the case then, you are right the 10% has to change the way they are living.
Chirac Wants Law Banning Muslim Headscarf in School
If George Bush were to propose such a law, I’m sure we’d hear an awful lot about how anti-Islamic he is. Is this anti-Islamic or is it a legitimate exercise of further separation of church and state?
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** "PARIS (Reuters) - French President Jacques Chirac called on Wednesday for a law banning Islamic headscarves and other religious symbols in state schools, despite protests from Muslims in France and across the world.
In a televised speech after months of debate on the role of religion in French society which highlighted the difficulties of Muslim integration, Chirac urged parliament to pass the law before the next school year starts in September.
Opinion polls show the ban in schools is backed by a large majority of French citizens although Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders have opposed it. " **
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=4009009&pageNumber=0
Then you have to allow Witch hats…
Read the forums. This is already in the General forum. Its been discussed to death. Btw Chirac is violating an individuals right to practice his or her religion freely.
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Read the forums. This is already in the General forum. Its been discussed to death. Btw Chirac is violating an individuals right to practice his or her religion freely.
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I don't read every thread in all forums. But, I just looked in General for the last several days and see no title that is immediately clear to me as discussing this. And since Chirac's statement happened today (Wednesday), I don't see how it could have been discussed to death.
Thanks for adding your opinion though. I sort of agree with it but let me ask this: Why is it OK for Muslims to practice their religion freely in public schools by wearing scarves and Jews to practice their religion freely in public schools by wearing skullcaps in public schools but it is not alright for Christians to practice their religion freely in public schools by saying a prayer, or putting up a nativity scene, or displaying the ten commandments? Where do you see the line that differentiates between legitimate government regulation and the free exercise of religion?
There is a difference between practicing and preaching. Prayer in school should be allowed if they want, but then each religion/sect and cult should be allowed that freedom.
Symbols or requirements of a religion that do not affect an individual should be allowed. After all since when does a hijab or a skull cap force religion on someone else?
However actively preaching in a private prayer hall is pushing it.
http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=132107
That was in general before it got moved to religion.
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There is a difference between practicing and preaching. Prayer in school should be allowed if they want, but then each religion/sect and cult should be allowed that freedom.
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I'm not fanatical either way on this issue but it seems to me that starting a day with a 1 minute silence to allow for a silent prayer should not be disallowed. Everyone could say their own prayers quietly. Alternatively, anyone who represents a religion in the class could say an oral prayer and I'd be OK with that too. It might even make people more aware of and knowledgeable about other religions. The only place I have a hard time is when a single religion is promoted in a classroom environment where not all students are of that religion. But in the US, all of these things are not permitted.
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Is not a nativity scene or a display of the Ten Commandments a symbol that does not affect other individuals? Heck, if the Jewish kids want to display a Menorah at a public school during Hanukah I don't see anything wrong with that. The Christian kids should be able to put up a nativity scene as well. If Muslims have particular symbols for special holy days, I see nothing wrong with the display of those as well. As stated above, I think permitting all of these things would help educate people about different religions. And, after all, isn't that what public schools are supposed to do.
If government's role is to eliminate religion from public view, is it not just catering to the sensitivities of atheists who probably are the smallest group of all?
I STILL ALSO WONDER WHY CHIRAC SUPPORTING THIS KIND OF BAN WHICH IS MORE DIRECTED AT MUSLIMS THAN ANY OTHER GROUP GETS A PASS ON THE ANTI-MUSLIM METER WHILE GWB WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY CRUCIFIED FOR TAKING A SIMILAR STAND. DOUBLE STANDARD? HYPOCRICY?