When one chooses freedom, loneliness is it’s shadow.
Do you agree or disagree and why?
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In many families if someone choses to live as per their own values and morals they disown that person but ensuing growth and the new relationships that person makes are a thousand times more fulfilling, one of my clients and now he is my friend and my massage therapist hails from the hutterite colony and is gay and talked about abuse by his family and ill treatment of women and backwards views. Leaving the colony was hard. he was lonely to begin with now he found a life partner had personal growth and has many friends and is completely satisfied.
Relationships that force you to live a life as per their dictates are not worth it.
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Freedom does not equal loneliness. You can literally be surrounded by people and still feel lonely. It’s a state of mind and thus considered a psychological disorder which might stem from low self esteem because you are comparing your self to other people and what they have all the time. If you are “free” in the sense you leave your parents and live out on your own. You might be living with a room mate or living with friends and still feel lonely because your state of mind makes you not want to connect with people. When you are “free” so to speak you can do whatever you want, this will also lead you to see what every one else has, and thus you naturally compare your self with them. You don’t see what you actually have and what they don’t. So to a degree..“being free” can lead to loneliness…but I would argue it doesn’t matter. You can be “free” or “in a prison” and still feel lonely.
I know this well because I suffer from this, even though I’m surrounded by people who love and care for me. I still feel lonely on a daily basis. I constantly have to remind my self and push my self to try to connect with people because I rather not deal with people if I can. I also compare my self to people on instagram and I see my self worth go down the drain, and think to my self “why would anyone want to be friends and hangout with me..I’m not like any of those people.”
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So many irrelevant details that could have been left out, lekin phir patta kaise challe ke bobby1 ka post hai.
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So sorry to have a rich and engaged life, if I was a demotivated negative person I would be focusing on criticism and negativity omitting the mention of time spent on the couch being angry at the world..lol
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Makes sense
This is exactly the kind of response I was hoping for. To be able to look at it from the other side rather than a limited one example view. It truly is more of a state of mind than anything else. Thank you.
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Not to worry, I can bring this back on track by qouting Paul Simon:
“The Sound Of Silence”
Hello darkness, my old friend
I’ve come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence
**In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
‘Neath the halo of a streetlamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence
And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
No one dare
Disturb the sound of silence
**
“Fools” said I, “You do not know
Silence like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you”
But my words like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells of silence
And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said “The words of the prophets
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls
And whispered in the sounds of silence”
becoming free from societies constraints does cause a state of loneliness for some not all!
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Ironically on my drive home on the radio they were talking about how today was “cheering up a lonely person” day. They said loneliness usually happens when people are depressed, and isolate themselves.
I don’t know how freedom and loneliness co-relate. I think you can be free and lonely and free and unlonely and lonely and not free. To be “free” in my opinion is to have Allah in your heart and the world in your hand. That is true freedom from all of life’s desires. To be lonely is to not find joy and contentment when connecting with others. To feel like you are alone and there is no support system around you. Maybe it can be when we don’t appreciate the people around us, and don’t want them to be a part of our life nor share their sorrows and happiness by being a part of theirs.
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Socrates said that all we need in life is one person to love and one to love us back. I think finding that one person and not really worrying about what others think of you and living life on your own terms is freedom.
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I think being free or real freedom, salvation, liberation etc is being free from everything apart from things that are eternal and really matter/will always matter. guess its also about being free to live life however you really want to live , without really caring about what people think and say , not worrying about any “normals” …remember reading this quote went something like there is nothing as abnormal as the concept of normality. so just because we chose to be free in the sense that we decide to live life in our own terms, make our own choices, and live a life that we are comfortable with does not mean we will be lonely as our path might really stand out or be different from the rest.
Loneliness really is a state of mind. you change the way you think and your overall perspective and i guess it probably possible to feel less lonely in any circumstance. really even when we conform with society we still can be lonely. Having relationships, money, careers or living a life that fits the idea of “normal” does not mean that we are not lonely. Loneliness is a feeling. And you can always feel anything , without really any logical base. you can always feel like there is something missing, that you dont connect with the rest, with the ones you want to connect with , that you are misunderstood, etc…you can always feel anything…
freedom in the real sense , i guess would be to be free from emotions as well or at least free form negative emotions if that is humanly possible..somethings are just part of human nature. and i guess maybe feeling lonely at certain times, or in general might be one of them and its different for different people . however being free , I would not say , it linked with being lonely.
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I think this is true . Eventually we just have to come to terms with the fact that freedom comes with its perks and a down side . Down side has lonliness as one of its factors . We tend to move away from a lot of things that we dont enjoy and it slowly cuts us off our social engagements and life .
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Freedom has really no negatives, one has to learn to be good company to themselves. Why would anyone want to be in a limiting circumstance.
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This…
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Why those few?
What if we do appreciate the people around us and want them to be a part of our lives and are a huge part of their lives, yet feel lonely?
Is one really ever living life on their own terms? Don’t we all follow some kind of societal or religious norms? Everyone follows some kind of a group, be it hippie’s, gays, vegans, hindus, Christians, Muslims?
I agree.. It’s a state of mind.
What kind of freedom are you referring to?
This is the solution I think. But how does one do that?
I agree with naanguard
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We do have to abide by social contracts or we live on fringes of society. But fortunately in this country there is a lot of wiggle room for choosing your morality. I wrote my own morality which I took from many cultures. I wanted to give my children the freedom to live a life to the fullest without being judged so I decided to leave the culture. Yes leaving the culture behind for freedom was lonely at first but we are very happy now.
Edit, here you chose the group you want to be and wont get killed for leaving the group you were born into.
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But which freedom are you referring to? Freedom to choose your shackles? Is that really freedom?
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Maybe I can give you just one example, the freedom for my boy to have a girlfriend, they both seem to be beaming with happiness and do so many fun things together. I feel it would be so unjust to deny him of that happiness. He had the freedom to discuss and ask for my guidance. He wanted earrings and I said your life. I basically let him make his decisions. Don’t seem like shackles to me.
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Choosing which candy to eat constitutes freedom?
I think freedom is a broader term. When I opened the thread my view of ‘freedom’ was quite narrow. After reading the replies, it’s broadened up. Freedom may mean different things to different people and what it means to whom is again dictated by the upbringing of the individual. I think I’m stepping into existentialism.
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First they told me I cant eat the white candy, then pressed me hard and threatened me with disowning and wrath of god if I didn’t spit the candy. Then they presented a brown candy and as I was about to eat that candy they withdrew their approval and forbade me to eat the candy..I put the candy in my mouth and held it shut really tight and then they all disowned me. That my child is not what freedom should be.