Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words

I noticed this and screenshotted it from the website of the Guardian. The picture on the left is a story from the start of June 2013 when Morsi was in power… the right is a photo from one year later under Sisi.


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The Saudi masters and Americans with the Israelis never wanted someone in Egypt who could challenge them, and this ‘President’ in a sham democracy is what they wanted.

They’re basically back to square one in Egypt. :hehe:

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So Morsi is liberal and Sisi is from brotherhood? Tough to keep up.

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Anyone who works for Al Jazeera news is banned from entering Egypt. This is how liberal Sisi is.

But I actually favour Sisi's decision.....if this is the price for keeping Egypt peaceful, why not!

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same is Iran doing with non-shia people to keep Iran 'peaceful'. Hypocrisy is the issue.

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Why everyone on this forum wants riots and chaos in Middle East? I don't get it.

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History has proven time and again that so called liberals are more violent and use more absolute techniques to ensure their governance. I don't see Sisi really being that liberal ... He is a conservative secularist. The power struggle in Egypt is between secularists and non-secularists. Islamists and Jihadists are actually a violent form of non-secularists imposing their own versions of Shari'ah.

Most liberals today are not liberal ... Liberal people are tolerant people - so we need to stop seeing Muslim groups as non-liberals and non-Muslim groups as liberals ... Reality is that both Muslim and non-Muslim groups have a spectrum of conservative and liberal values.

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This is the epic example of misinformation spreading like cancer on Internet…little bit research revealed this.

"On 1 January 2013, the daily Al-masry Al-youm reported that an Egyptian prosecutor was investigating Bassem Youssef on charges of maligning President Mohammed Morsi, whose office claimed that Youssef’s show was “circulating false news likely to disturb public peace and public security and affect the administration.”[32]

Despite all of the controversy it sparks, El Bernameg has been a major success.[33] It is constantly topping the regional YouTube charts, making Bassem Youssef’s YouTube channel the most subscribed to in Egypt.[33]

On 30 March 2013, an arrest warrant was issued for Youssef for allegedly insulting Islam and Morsi. The move was seen by opponents as part of an effort to silence dissent against Morsi’s government.[34] Youssef confirmed the arrest warrant on his Twitter account and said he would hand himself in to the prosecutor’s office, jokingly adding, “Unless they kindly send a police van today and save me the transportation hassle.”[35] The following day, he was questioned by authorities before being released on bail of 15,000 Egyptian pounds.[36][37] The event sparked international media attention[38] as well as a segment on Jon Stewart’s The Daily Show in which he declared his support for Youssef, calling him a “friend” and “brother”.[39]"

so yeah…Morsi wasn’t better than Sisi. :hehe:

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^ how many secularists were killed under the rule of Morsi?
Well you cannot see the difference because of hate (you learnt from 'sufism') you know.

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Peace ajazali

There is no hate in sufism ... Present the argument you want to raise, that would be better than trying to rub sufism into this discussion.

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I don’t think the OP post is misleading … the articles come from the Guardian … I have picked up the second post and this is what it says further down the page …

This new article does mention that Morsi had trouble with Youssef first, but the actual wrapping up of the show was instigated by the Sisi government … Everyone knows that military dictatorships are less tolerant than democratically elected leaders.

The problem with the OP is the suggestion that Sisi government was going to be liberal. Only fools would think a military dictatorship was going to be liberal. :hehe: Egyptians have to actually wisen up … rather than act wise. Morsi was ousted due to his economic failures more than anything else and that was heavily influenced by the international global pressures … but the Egyptian public could not see it … My only reservations against brotherhood is that they advocate violent take over and seek out power and perhaps they didn’t act democratically after they got power and that is a big oversight.

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The fact is only sufis and secularists had issue with Morsi govt. Under Morsi's rule people were not killed extra judicially by police/security forces. No one was put behind the bar by make up cases against. Despite this if you think Morsi and sisi are same then this thinking comes from (learnt) hate.

If you compare Ikhwan ideology with Jews ideology and think that you are calling spade a spade and not hating them then this is valid upto only your own thoughts. You hardly bother to point at what actually was wrong with Morsi's govt.

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Anyone who thinks that Morsi was better than Sisi should read this article retweeted by Bassem Youssef himself.

The Silencing of Egypt’s Jon Stewart | Foreign Policy

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Well genius, Bassem Youssef is neither Sufi nor secularist and he had issues with Morsi.

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I think my previous post actually answers this they were posted very close together ... I hope you see that I favoured ikhwani governance in Egypt ... and never accepted Sisi to step in. I had reservations that are explained in that post. And one has to step outside attachment and analyse patterns to be able to make such statements. I saw that Israeli - not Jewish, methods are to gain power and control as their right ... these ideas are not dissimilar in some groups including Ikhwan ... this is not hatred ... it is an observation. There are differences in the observation too ... and all of this I say whilst still saying that I preferred Ikhwani rule in Egypt. So what do you make of that? Hopefully - sincerity and an unbiased stance.

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You are even more genius that dont know who are the secularists.
Atheists and Islam: No God, not even Allah | The Economist

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Off topic post! lol

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Post as much off topics posts you want just don’t take your anger out at those graves and tombs. :flower1:

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^Lolz, the article explains how Bassem Youssef "tackled" tabbo like atheism in egypt.

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an observation(actually opinion) regarding their power hungry mind, without considering how did they actually get power in Egypt should be called what?