Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
^Lolz, the article explains how Bassem Youssef "tackled" tabbo like atheism in egypt.
And how did he tackle the taboo? Please explain in your own words. The article doesn't say much about Bassem.
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
Why can't you fathom the fact that Bassem Youssef criticises Sisi as well as Morsi. You were defending Bassem but as soon as I told you that he criticised the Islamist Morsi you changed your tone towards Bassem. Now according to you, Bassem is evil because he said something nasty to your beloved Morsi.
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
an observation(actually opinion) regarding their power hungry mind, without considering how did they actually get power in Egypt should be called what?
Bro look I know they got in to power by vote and I liked that ... but they then tried to curtail the very system that brought them in ... anyway ... I'm having a debate with my wife about something related to this ... I think not all Ikhwanis are anti-Sufi to the extent that they will subdue our activities and I don't think all would go around destroying kubur of Sahabah (RA) and Awliya (RA). What are your thoughts about regarding what I call desecration of graves?
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
Why can't you fathom the fact that Bassem Youssef criticises Sisi as well as Morsi. You were defending Bassem but as soon as I told you that he criticised the Islamist Morsi you changed your tone towards Bassem. Now according to you, Bassem is evil because he said something nasty to your beloved Morsi.
I said nothing about him.
You say he is neither Sufi nor secularist. Where as he found it necessary to highlight atheism and tried to "make" people think atheism is not a tabbo.
... What are your thoughts about regarding what I call desecration of graves?
This is wrong.
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
Sisi is basically a dictator, Egypt is back to square one. They have found a new Hosni Mobarak, and yes dictatorships dont like freedom of speech.
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
Assalama alaykum respected** brother pysah**
Morsi was not ousted due to his economic failures. The economic collapse was artificially created to find an excuse for the Gen Big Sissy to take over.
The real reasons as follows:
The above did not suit America/Israel/West
The above did not suit Egyptian Army as they have stranglehold on Egyptian economy and receive massive American aid.
The above did not suit the Gulf States as they don’t want a Shariyah-run country on their borders. To avert pressure on themselves to implement Shariyah in their own countries.
The above did not suit Gulf States as they don’t any democratically run county in Arab lands
Below: Supporting material for what I have stated.
Read if you have the time 
There’s Growing Evidence Of A Vast Conspiracy To Undermine Former Egypt President Morsi
Read more: Evidence Suggests Conspiracy To Oust Morsi - Business Insider
Evidence Suggests Conspiracy To Oust Morsi - Business Insider
Sudden Improvements in Egypt Suggest a Campaign to Undermine Morsi
Tariq Ramadan Says Morsi Overthrown By US-Zionist Conspiracy
Egypt’s ‘Military Inc’ expands its control of the economy
Egypt’s ‘Military Inc’ expands its control of the economy | World news | The Guardian
Israel Boosts Ties With Egyptian Army as U.S. Mulls Cuts
Israel Boosts Ties With Egyptian Army as U.S. Mulls Cuts - Bloomberg Business
*"Saudi Arabia Pleased With Morsi’s Fall
The failure of the Muslim Brotherhood to hold on to power for a year is now celebrated in the official Saudi press. So-called liberal journalists congratulate the Egyptian people on getting rid of the so-called religious dictatorship while forgetting their own plight under a regime that was equally if not more oppressive. In contrast, Saudi Islamists spread the rumor that Saudi Arabia, together with the United Arab Emirates, was behind Morsi’s fall. While there may be some truth to this, such rumors undermine the Egyptian crowds that assembled to press for his downfall. If the outcome so far pleases the Saudi regime, it should not obscure the fact that Egypt remains diverse, volatile and may not unquestionably succumb to the rule of Islamists or other governments eager to patronize them. The Egyptian crowds got rid of their Islamists and will not become clients of the Saudi regime. They have staged two revolutions so far and will continue to do so until they reach a post-revolutionary equilibrium in which all are politically represented.
Saudi Arabia had a vested interest in seeing a rival Islamist party fail, sending a strong message to the local constituency sympathetic to the cause of the Muslim Brotherhood.
It may take time before the message is forgotten, but today, it is a moment of joy for the Saudi regime."*
Egypt’s Morsi eyes stronger ties with ‘friend’ Pakistan
Egypt’s Morsi eyes stronger ties with ‘friend’ Pakistan - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online
Egypt’s Morsi visits Turkey to strengthen emerging alliance
Egypt’s Morsi visits Turkey to strengthen emerging alliance - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online
Egypt’s Morsi to make historic trip to Tehran
Egypt’s Morsi to make historic trip to Tehran - Al Jazeera English
Egypt President Morsi visits China seeking investment
Egypt President Morsi visits China seeking investment - Economy - Business - Ahram Online
Morsi’s visit to Moscow…A turning point and balance in Egypt’s policy
Morsi’s visit to India
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
Respected Brother Ibn Sadique
That is the real issue the West had with Morsi I agree ... In my rush I failed to clearly state that the reason given by the secularists in the country was that he failed economically ... All the while the world stage framed him ... It was a rigged failure, I understand ... But you see somehow Turkey are avoiding a similar fate ... May be some of Morsi's methods were not suitable, for sustained leadership. Sometimes giving power away ensures you remain in office.
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Not to forget that Morsi wrote a love letter to Israel.
Morsi’s warm letter to Peres sparks anger and denial in Egypt | The Times of Israel
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
Assalama alaykum Respected Brother **psyah
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I agree with you – He was in a pit full of snakes and scorpions and moved in haste against them. Maybe he thought Egyptians will be like Iranians in the time of Khomeini.
Corrupt Egyptian Army is the first line of defence of the Zionist state.
Morsi had no chance, and I think he realised it too late.
He was a very sincere Muslim but not smart enough for dirty politics. He tried but success in Allah Almighty’s hands.
Morsi’s - post-coup-speech-translated
https://austingmackell.wordpress.com/2013/07/04/morsis-post-coup-speech-translated/
The Final speech - President Muhammad Morsi
He speaks like a sincere practicing Muslim - May Allah Almighty give him strength to bear all with patience and reward him for his efforts and forgive him for his shortcomings - Ameen
O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done. [Surat Al-Ĥujurāt:6]
Assalama alaykum Respected sister
You quote news from Times of Israel, do you really think that they would be sincere about the news they give?
This was another manipulated news to dishonour Morsi – The first Islamic leader in Egypt for quite a long time!
I am sure you will find Guardian UK more reliable that the Israeli paper.
I have highlighted parts to you to consider.
Confusion over ‘fake’ Egyptian letter to Israel
Peres’s office sent reporters a copy of what was said to be the faxed letter. The top of the letter featured a time stamp with Tuesday’s date, the phone number from which the fax was sent, and the label “EGY EMB TEL AVIV”.
The fax number, which appeared to be printed automatically from the machine that sent the message, was a number listed on Israel’s foreign ministry website as belonging to the Egyptian Embassy in Israel. The Egyptian foreign ministry did not provide an immediate response on the issue.
This could be a symptom of Egypt’s murky governing situation. Though Morsi has taken office, it is still not clear what his powers are. The military council that took over after longtime president Hosni Mubarak was ousted last year assumed some presidential powers.
Also, the Brotherhood-dominated parliament has been dissolved, the military-appointed cabinet is still in office, and the ministries and foreign service are mostly still in the hands of the old regime. The disarray has led to conflicts, misunderstandings and power plays.
Confusion over ‘fake’ Egyptian letter to Israel | World news | The Guardian
And further read the news from New York Times – considerably more reliable than Israeli newspaper.
The letter bore Mr. Morsi’s typewritten name at the bottom, but it was not signed by hand. Looking as if it may have been dictated, it came on a plain piece of paper, with no letterhead or insignia of the Egyptian presidency. A cover note from the Egyptian Embassy bore official embassy letterhead.
Note:
The letter bore Mr. Morsi’s typewritten name at the bottom
but it was not signed by hand
it came on a plain piece of paper
with no letterhead or insignia of the Egyptian presidency
cover note from the Egyptian Embassy bore official embassy letterhead!
**Bassem Youssef **is not original, on his TV programme he ‘apes’ Jonathan “Jon” Stewart (born Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz).
It is easy to mock people who are decent and polite. So he made fun of Morsi well knowing that if ever Morsi moved against him the ‘West’ would make a huge ‘hue and cry’ and rescue him under the guise of ‘freedon of speech’.
With Gen. Sissy in power this guy has gone quiet as a mouse, in fact has left the country!
And he is now a proven cheat!
Bassem Youssef ‘very sorry’ after plagiarism accusations
“Bassem tele’ haramy” or “Bassem became a thief.”
Famous satirist **Bassem Youssef **has found himself in the midst of controversy once again, however this time it is not because he stole the show, but because he allegedly stole someone else’s words
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
^brother, you do know that just like Taliban, Morsi and MBH are funded and supported by Saudi and Qatar? Would you also support Taliban in Pakistan?
The letter may or may not be true as it's not difficult to find news on Internet to support ones view,...but the games that MBH is playing in Middle East are not hidden from anyone. MBH would fight Iran and Bashar but would never fight Israel...just like ISIS. You can mark my words.
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
And let me tell you that Morsi was ousted because he was becoming too powerful....just like Mubarik. Also, they don't want a strict religious leader to rule over them...just like Pakistanis, the Egyptians love their army and would prefer army over molvi type politicians.
Re: Free Speech in Egypt under Morsi vs Sisi - a picture speaks a thousand words
Assalama alaykum respected Sister, your information is outdated.
Yes, In first Afghan war against USSR in late 1970s and 1980s America and Saudi with other Gulf countries were funding Muslim Brotherhood along with other Jihadis.
In the second Afghan war and two Iraq wars Muslim Brotherhood was not in the American camp so Saudi stopped funding Muslim Brotherhood from that time on.
Hamas is branch of Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. Saudi never funded them – In fact it was Iran who funded Hamas.
True, Qatar did fund Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.
Whenever two entities, be they countries, societies or any organisations, have same goal and agendas surely they will support each other.
We all know that America and the West are funding secularists and NGOs in Muslim countries to impose their way of life in those countries.
Iran is actively funding Shia organisations in all the Muslims countries to have influence in those countries.
Respected Sister, you cannot lump Taliban and Muslim Brotherhood together. They are both Sunnis but their agenda and methodology is completely different.
Muslim Brotherhood was run by highly educated professionals. Muslim Brotherhood is the most organised from all Islamic organisations. They run and manage free schools, hospitals, orphanages and pharmacies.
Just to let you know that I am not member of Muslim Brotherhood
Saudi was hand in glove with America and Sissy (Egyptian Army) in ousting Morsi from power and were actively funding Morsi’s opponents and Sissy.
Respected Sister, the letter is fake! I don’t know on what grounds you are giving it possibility of being true.
It was sent from Egyptian Embassy in Israel which was in control of the Egyptian backed administration!
Yes, on internet one can find anything to support one’s views. Authentic views are backed up by solid evidences from reliable sources. Not from those sources who are bent on telling lies. It is our duty not to spread such doubtful material which is lies and goes against any Muslim. This way we unwittingly become agents of the liars.
Also we should not turn a blind eye to games being by: 1) America 2) UK 3) France 4) Turkey 5) Iran 6) Qatar 7) UAE 8) Shia government in Iraq 9) and of course not forgetting Israel
Organisations like Hezbollah, Mahdi Army, Shia Militias armed and trained by Iran, All sunni groups are also in the game!
And you will be surprised that Sufis in Army of the Men of the Naqshbandiyah Order are in the game too and are co-operating with ISIS!
If you don’t believe me, check it here:
ISIS: Not alone in their conquest of Iraq
ISIS: Not alone in their conquest of Iraq - The Washington Post
This is logic and strategy of war, first one has to subdue the lesser or weaker opponents and then go for the strongest one! As there will be no one to back stab when is fighting a strongest force.
**Respected sister **May Allah Almighty bless you with long and healthy life so that you will see a lot of fighting within Muslim groups and states each vying for supremacy.
There will come a time when the Muslims forces will be unified under one command.
This (all) has been foretold by the most Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
If you read the history of Sultan Ṣalaḥ ud-Dīn Yusuf ibn Ayyub (May Allah Almighty reward him immensely and forgive his shortcomings), for first 16 years he fought against his Muslim opponents likes of: Fatimids of Egypt, rulers of Damascus, rulers of Homs. rulers of Hama and Assassins. Once he had unified the Muslims into a formidable and powerful fighting force, he gave the crusaders a trashing!
Read the following:
*During his term as vizier Saladin began to undermine the Fatimid establishment, and following al-Adid’s death in 1171 he took over the government and realigned the country’s allegiance with the Baghdad-based Abbasid Caliphate. In the following years, he led forays against the Crusaders in Palestine, ordered the successful conquest of Yemen and staved off pro-Fatimid rebellions in Upper Egypt.
Not long after the death of Nur ad-Din in 1174, Saladin personally led the conquest of Syria, peacefully entering Damascus at the request of its ruler. By mid-1175, Saladin had conquered Hama and Homs, inviting the animosity of his former Zengid lords, who had been the official rulers of Syria. Soon after, he defeated the Zengid army in battle and was thereafter proclaimed the “Sultan of Egypt and Syria” by the Abbasid caliph al-Mustadi. He made further conquests in northern Syria and Jazira, escaping two attempts on his life by the Assassins, before returning to Egypt in 1177 to address issues there. By 1182, Saladin completed the conquest of Syria after capturing Aleppo, but ultimately failed to take over the Zengid stronghold of Mosul.
Under Saladin’s personal leadership, the Ayyubid army defeated the Crusaders at the decisive Battle of Hattin in 1187, leading the way to the Muslims’ re-capture of Palestine from the Crusaders who had conquered it 88 years earlier.
Morsi was ousted because he was trying to move Egypt away from American bondage, rather too fast.
He held absolute no power that’s why the Egyptian Army ruthlessly crushed Muslim Brotherhood.
I concur with you that Muslims on the whole don’t want a strict religious leader to rule over them. Most will settle for very diluted Shariyyah, nothing like what was implemented in the time of the most Blessed Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his blessed Companions (may Allah be pleased with them all).
I wonder how the Muslims will react when Imam Mahdi (ra) and Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) try to implement Shariyyah Muhammdiyah upon them in its full spirit!
As we are moving away from the topic at hand - so my last post here.
