Free-of-charge treatment at army heatstroke centres across Sindh

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Nope it's about resource management! Simple as that! There is so much corruption and haraam khori that politicians don't think its worth investing in highway police, not that they don't have money for it!

These haraam khor politicians will never have 'enough' resources to improve health and public sector because they don't care about serving public, whereas in Army, providing best medical service to their servicemen is a matter of great pride and duty! Tell haram khor politicans to adopt this attitude!

It is also about priority. No one is asking Government to spend billions and billions on lollipop projects like Metro and purchase bullet proof cars in bulk instead of improving health sector. It's just easier to moan and groan about military budget, and blame them for everything.

I don't care about convincing you of Army's good intention and expertise. Some of the biggest Army haters are often the people who have absolutely no real experience in observing the military men from up front. They are just bitter for sake of being bitter. It's just fashionable to be an Army critic these days...

PS: I'm surprised at your audacity to term Army's relief camp to help victims heatstroke and save lives as 'selling bottled water'. That's the thing, I really don't think military should be doing government's job. Let the thankless hacks wait for their Saeens and Only Hope to show up.

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It was reference to one of the hundreds of businesses Fauji Foundation runs. They do everything except what a military is supposed to do.

As far as your rants about corrupt politicians is concerned, I agree with it all. And now that military has overtly ruled the country for half of its existence and not a single significant politician was punished for corruption, I would have to conclude that;

either military is equally responsible for all corruption carried out by politicians; or
the military is terribly inefficient and ineffective at curbing corrption.

In either of the above cases, the military shouldn't really be indulging in politics, cement, insurance, banking, fertilizer, real estate, etc. They should rather concentrate on what their job is. However, we all know that they would rather raise politicians as pets so that they can rule even when there is no martial law in the country.

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I'm getting sick of tired of same old ignorant rants and moaning and groaning that somehow Pakistani hospitals are in bad shape because Military has resources and staff expertise to run their hospitals better. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Prove it that Sindh does not get budget to build schools and improve health sector. Prove it that Pakistan's larger than life Civil Services don't receive the same perks as military men. This is the whole crux of the outburst.

You need to ask yourself that why COAS would rather go to military hospital in Pindi for his check ups and treatment, but politicians would fly out of country on private jets with entourage to treat minor colds? Why Government hospitals are not good enough to treat politicians, while military's best of the best use local facilities? Now please don't say that Military hospital in Pindi can match the standards of private care provided in London and New York to our politicians.

It is government's job to reduce the size of bureaucracy, cut down their size and expenses and spend on the welfare of doctors and teachers - not Army Chief's! If haram khor politicians and their apologists have problem with Army's budget, tell the government to collect taxes and create employment to raise revenue. Despite having similar or even worse socio-economic issues, Indian Army's budget is five times bigger than ours, but their country has managed build on resources and generate revenue without compromising on their military expenditure. And without every Tom, Dick and Harry turning Army into a punishing bag to bail out the corrupt politicians. Pakistan Army knows how to make the most of their budget and it highlighted in their performances and resources. Allocate that $6 billion to any civil institution, and we'll see what kind of 'progress' takes place there.

Military dictators proved to be criminally ineffective in weeding out corruption. Zia ul Haq gave Pakistan an Army of industrialists turned politicians in face of PMLN, and an ethno fascist organisation in face of MQM. Musharaff came and brought NRO to bring leeches like BB back to the country as if she stole his *baap ka paisa *not Pakistan. Yet, Military as a institution which is also a home to countless honest, hard working, patriotic soldiers should be the target hatred and complete dismissal.

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politicians, and cement factories, insurance companies, and housing estates, and golf clubs, and forest resorts, and bingo clubs, and fertilizer plants, and so on and so forth.

And please do not compare with Indian army. Their generals and brigadiers retire, go back to their villages and continue farming their ancestral lands. There are no cushy jobs waiting for them in publicly funded inefficient organizations like Fauji Fertilizer.

Then, perhaps they should not pose as epitome of governance excellence and integrity.

If you are sick and tired of my rants, then the bloody 'Tom, Dick and Harry' are also sick and tired of paying for an army which conquers its own country time and again.

Back to the topic please.

I, from the millions of bloody civilians, sincerely thank our greatest saviors, the military, for providing sustenance to dying bloody civilians of Karachi who were until now at the mercy of your lapdogs.

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Well said :k:

Easy for some little kids to get excited about men in uniform ‘helping’ - when they haven’t lived through the history of Pakistan, and have not witnessed the corruption and destruction Pak Army has brought on their own country.

Army is putting a bandage on a country they have helped to put in ICU - and expecting thanks for it.

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Way to oversimplify things with touch of propaganda and paint an ill informed black and white picture.

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Then, perhaps they should not pose as epitome of governance excellence and integrity.
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They have failed to discipline the corrupt politicians. Hence despite plenty of opportunities in last 7 years or last 12 months, the coup was not imposed.

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Back to the topic please.

I, from the millions of bloody civilians, sincerely thank our greatest saviors, the military, for providing sustenance to dying bloody civilians of Karachi who were until now at the mercy of your lapdogs.
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Typical.

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If bunch of retired oldies feel good about themselves by calling me a kid, then go ahead. I’m flattered.

I am not excited by Army helping, in fact I am enraged. Why should Army set up help camps when rats like Bilawal Bhutto, Zardari, Faryal Talpur are on the run? There is oh so democratic and civilian Sindh government in place, let them go and ‘help’ people.

Their thankless envious and bitter haters ain’t gonna appreciate their efforts, and no one cares about their self important anti Pakistan Army moaning. Yeah hospitals in Pakistan’s largest city - economic hub run by haram khor politicians look like dump because of handful of Military hospitals in Pindi takes up their resources. Nonsense.

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Good to know that there still exists some sane voices on this forum :k:

Loved this analogy.

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Have the same thoughts too… Nice posts Kakabali..and Real deal…

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Kaka on a roll…great points! :k:

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Thanks :k:

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Military run complexes are slightly better but lets not make them angels.

I went to CMH after an elbow accident way back in Pakistan and they messed up the surgery. It was fortunate that I was able to get into AO Clinic run by Dr. Shah as he is an old family friend or I might have serious problems right at this momemt.

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it is pity but a fact that Pak army has a controversial space in Pakistan's history. People love sacrifices that army has given at the border to keep us safe .. salute to all those who are fighting so that we can sleep in peace

but on the other hand 4 martial laws and generals' involvement in too many commercially lucrative projects have tainted its face as well.

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They have dis it many time fake case , charges , arrests , hanging
Old drama , In the end , More loss to Pakistan

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Actually it is total ignorance and same old envious bitterness that paints Military hospitals as 'best of the best'. Absolutely not. You really need to visit one and get a treatment to know the reality. They are just slightly better equipped and staff appears more professional as they still follow military discipline (major point), otherwise the overall quality of the care still very hit and miss.

One of our friends here blogged about the medical negligence his father received in MH which could have cost him his life. Either you know these real stories and experience them first hand or you blindly believe in cheap gossips and rumours to suit your own agenda.

I can tell you from experience and personal knowledge that military hospitals probably just gets extra points for being slightly more responsive (plus extremely right security!!!) towards their patients due to the pressure of treating really prominent ex-servicemen, and that's about it.

I would personally rate the SKMH above Military hospitals, but then again SKMH is a specialist hospital, but they do provide quality care for an organisation largely run by charity funds.

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Provinces consider national language as threat. In sindh NIC is not written in national language. Railway station names are written in sindhi. Visitors have to know sindhi language to read which station they need to stop, lolz. does it happen in any other country?

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Honestly I find the whole la la la laaa about military hospital being so oh so bloody resourceful so ridiculous and laughable. Sheer naivete.

Such brazen face lies often comes from people who had actually never visited a military hospital in their entire lives! So who do they think will believe their propaganda and mindless gossips?

Due to extremely tight security arrangements around military hospitals, the public at large is not allowed to access military hospitals. Even if you are a close relative of an official being treated in MH, you have to show proper IDs and provide valid reasons for your visit at various checkpoints to enter the hospital and certain wards. I guess such secrecy and lack of inaccessibility surrounded by most or parts of Military Hospitals allow people who have no way of getting first hand knowledge and experience talk absolute smack to suit their own agenda.

So just because you have never been to a Military hospital and allowed access, doesn't mean you have a right to assume that those hospitals must be providing out of the world medical care and 'taking' the share of civilian hospitals from poor politicians. Visit the hospital first and then talk about how wonderfully ('unjustifiably') resourced it is.

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You are beyond a joke.

A little kid who doesn't even live in Pakistan and think's he know's everything that goes on in Pakistan.

You are acting like an expert on places you have never even seen, much less been to.

Stick to England, you don't know what yoru talking about.

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Before anyone comes here and proudly start abusing themselves as 'bloody civilian' to make a self important point about their moaning and blame military for the incompetence of their oh so democratic politicians, maybe it's worth knowing that why do military's best of the best prefer to get treated in their own country, unlike politicians? Whether military hospitals provide the standard of private care of London or New York is not the point. The fact is your COAS, all your Intelligence officers, nuclear experts, scientists, commanders, engineers, technicians, soldiers will eventually receive treatment in Pindi/Islamabad hospitals. It is just part of the whole National Security protocol.

Military takes care of its hospitals because they know they'll be using it. Ask politicians improve the standard of public health because likes of Nawaz Sharif also see themselves receiving treatment from Jinnah hospital?

How on earth can you have 'resources' to buy bullet proof cars in bulk, create and sustain an expensive elite force just so it provides security to your own palaces and offices, provide unlimited perks to oversized bureaucracy, spend billions of personal advertisement, build overpasses and Metro buses, but you suddenly don't have resources to improve basic health facilities? What do you do in that that case.....you accuse military hospitals for sucking for all the resources.

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You know jack crap about my life, my background or my experiences! Don't act like a joke by passing such ridiculous judgments because you are reading things you don't want to read.

97% of the posters here who run their mouth on country's affairs don't live in Pakistan, including yourself and the people who run this site! So really I am not going to take you are not Pakistani or you don't know know enough about Pakistan rubbish. It's pathetic. This site is full of ignorant anti Pakistan Army low life haters who just defame and discredit their own army on the basis of the propaganda rubbish they read in Aysha Jalal's book or just lash out of racial and political contempt sitting miles away from the country. What if I turn around and say those who talk smack about army have never observed the institution and its personnel from up close to know the other side of the story?

Apart from targeting my nationality and location, it is you who actually have absolutely no counter argument or any relevant point to make. So I'm certainly hitting a nerve in your case, and if my 'jokes' are enough to rile you up. Excellent.

I am proud to fight the cheap misconceptions about a national institution which is home to hundreds of thousands of honest and hard working and brave Pakistanis whose entire lives revolve around a vow to defend their country. Their sacrifices are invaluable.

If you don't think an experimental scientist who works day and night doing research on weapons and writing reports in his office, working and testing weapons in extremely tough environmental conditions, sacrificing his family life by randomly disappearing for prolonged periods without anyone having a clue about his whereabouts does not deserve adequate medical treatment for all his services. Then bugger off. Fortunately, Pak Army knows how to treat its staff right.

For ignorant hacks, there is so much to Pakistan Military than bloody Zia and Musharraf you lot love to wail about.