Re: Four Marriages for women!!!
U sure Nikki ? Ooper ooper sey nikki ho, under sey poori ho.
TO OP
If a key can open 4 locks, then it wud be considered a master key.
If a lock is opened by 4 different keys, u must admit it will considered a pretty crapy lock.
Super Unlike!!
Re: Four Marriages for women!!!
U sure Nikki ? Ooper ooper sey nikki ho, under sey poori ho.
TO OP
If a key can open 4 locks, then it wud be considered a master key.
If a lock is opened by 4 different keys, u must admit it will considered a pretty crapy lock.
LOL. That's a novel response!
Re: Four Marriages for women!!!
Qur'an 4:3 "And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course. "
A Muslim man * may *marry up to four, however, if he cannot deal justly with each of the wives then he has, he is * forbidden * to marry that many; and can marry only one wife, to prevent treating women unfairly. You have to remember that this refers to the man's ability to treat each of his wives * exactly the same * in every regard: not just materially (ie. food, clothing, shelter, time, money, etc..) but also that he must be able to love them all exactly the same. He must be able to * feel * the same amount of affection and love for each of his wives.
If he cannot do this, then, according to the Qur'an he cannot marry more than one wife.
Quran 4:129
** And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it)..." **
It is very hard to treat wives in a similar manner. Even the Prophet peace be upon him couldn't do it. Aisha (ra) was his favourite. There's even a hadith about this (can't find it right now). This means that men are generally not allowed to engage in polygamy. However, Allah included the allowance for multiple wives under specific circumstances. These include war, gender imbalance in certain regions/countries and women's preference.
After a war where a lot of men are killed, there are usually much higher numbers of women alive than men. In this case, men are permitted to take more than one wife, in order to reproduce at a faster rate than normal in order to repopulate the region. Women are more prevalent in some areas of the world, and men are also allowed to marry multiple wives when this is the situation, in order to ensure that every woman has a male partner and doesn't have to fend for herself. Some women also prefer to be a second, third or fourth wife; thus polygamy is also allowed in order to accommodate the desires of these women.
But as a general rule, as stated, men are prohibited from engaging in polygamy unless absolutely necessary.
So yeah. Context people. Have to understand the meaning of the whole verse before carrying it out. And although a man can marry without permission from his first wife (unless she stated it in her Nikkah nama) if the first wife is unhappy with his decision and he gets married how will he be treating both wives equally? The second may be happy but the first will be unhappy. There is even a hadith which states that a man who could not treat his wives equally will be raised on Judgement Day with half his body paralysed.
So before making such big decisions muslims should consider the big picture first and the consequences if they make a mistake.
Re: Four Marriages for women!!!
Qur'an 4:3 "And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course. " A Muslim man * may *marry up to four, however, if he cannot deal justly with each of the wives then he has, he is * forbidden * to marry that many; and can marry only one wife, to prevent treating women unfairly. You have to remember that this refers to the man's ability to treat each of his wives * exactly the same * in every regard: not just materially (ie. food, clothing, shelter, time, money, etc..) but also that he must be able to love them all exactly the same. He must be able to * feel * the same amount of affection and love for each of his wives.
If he cannot do this, then, according to the Qur'an he cannot marry more than one wife.
Quran 4:129 ** And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it)..." **
It is very hard to treat wives in a similar manner. Even the Prophet peace be upon him couldn't do it. Aisha (ra) was his favourite. There's even a hadith about this (can't find it right now). This means that men are generally not allowed to engage in polygamy. However, Allah included the allowance for multiple wives under specific circumstances. These include war, gender imbalance in certain regions/countries and women's preference. After a war where a lot of men are killed, there are usually much higher numbers of women alive than men. In this case, men are permitted to take more than one wife, in order to reproduce at a faster rate than normal in order to repopulate the region. Women are more prevalent in some areas of the world, and men are also allowed to marry multiple wives when this is the situation, in order to ensure that every woman has a male partner and doesn't have to fend for herself. Some women also prefer to be a second, third or fourth wife; thus polygamy is also allowed in order to accommodate the desires of these women. But as a general rule, as stated, men are prohibited from engaging in polygamy unless absolutely necessary.
So yeah. Context people. Have to understand the meaning of the whole verse before carrying it out. And although a man can marry without permission from his first wife (unless she stated it in her Nikkah nama) if the first wife is unhappy with his decision and he gets married how will he be treating both wives equally? The second may be happy but the first will be unhappy. There is even a hadith which states that a man who could not treat his wives equally will be raised on Judgement Day with half his body paralysed. So before making such big decisions muslims should consider the big picture first and the consequences if they make a mistake.
Off topic, but this means Prophet s.a.w wasnt perfect ?
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Off topic, but this means Prophet s.a.w wasnt perfect ?
He was and is the perfect muslim. He is what we muslims should aspire to be.
That's not to say he wasn't human.
He felt love, compassion, grief, annoyance just the same as anyone else. (The annoyance comment refers to the Surah Abbasa Watawala ie He frowned and turned away).
We have to remember though that the Prophet's marriages were for reasons which would help Islam to expand and grow.
And he was also the best example of a husband to his wives.
I can't find the exact hadiths and I don't really want to paraphrase them.
Basically there is a hadith where the Prophet (pbuh) asks Allah for forgiveness if he shows more affection towards one of his wives than the others, he was said to be referring to Aisha (ra).
There is also a hadith which says that the Prophet (pbuh) said that the best among men was the one who was the best to his wife and he (rasulallah) was the best among men towards his wives.
He was the best in Perfection in worshipping Allah (swt). And what better perfection can there be?
If you are perfect in that aspect then inshallah you become better and nearer perfection in every aspect of life.
He had the most perfect character and the most perfect values.
Just wondering: Is this important for you? That the Prophet (pbuh) was not perfect? I believe he was perfect. And I was not implying otherwise, Astaghfirullah. He is my role model inshallah, there couldn't be any better in my eyes.
Re: Four Marriages for women!!!
He was and is the perfect muslim. He is what we muslims should aspire to be. That's not to say he wasn't human. He felt love, compassion, grief, annoyance just the same as anyone else. (The annoyance comment refers to the Surah Abbasa Watawala ie He frowned and turned away). We have to remember though that the Prophet's marriages were for reasons which would help Islam to expand and grow. And he was also the best example of a husband to his wives. I can't find the exact hadiths and I don't really want to paraphrase them. Basically there is a hadith where the Prophet (pbuh) asks Allah for forgiveness if he shows more affection towards one of his wives than the others, he was said to be referring to Aisha (ra). There is also a hadith which says that the Prophet (pbuh) said that the best among men was the one who was the best to his wife and he (rasulallah) was the best among men towards his wives.
He was the best in Perfection in worshipping Allah (swt). And what better perfection can there be? If you are perfect in that aspect then inshallah you become better and nearer perfection in every aspect of life. He had the most perfect character and the most perfect values.
Just wondering: Is this important for you? That the Prophet (pbuh) was not perfect? I believe he was perfect. And I was not implying otherwise, Astaghfirullah. He is my role model inshallah, there couldn't be any better in my eyes.
It is important to me that ALLAH has created everything perfectly. Prophet s.a.w is his best creation among all his creations. If anything He s.a.w is most perfect creation of ALLAH. That includes earth, sky, stars, sun, water air, humans, Angels everything.
The Prophet s.a.w i beleive in, cudnt have treated one wife better than other. This wud mean he didnt treat others rite and Prophet s.a.w being Aadil wud treat all same.
Now he cud have liked, one wife better than other becoz 1 being more pious than other but he wud have treated all of them (not including Hazrat Khadija) same as Hazrat Aisha r.a.
Re: Four Marriages for women!!!
If he cannot do this, then, according to the Qur'an he cannot marry more than one wife.
Quran 4:129 ** And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it)..." **
So yeah. Context people. Have to understand the meaning of the whole verse before carrying it out. And although a man can marry without permission from his first wife (unless she stated it in her Nikkah nama) if the first wife is unhappy with his decision and he gets married how will he be treating both wives equally? The second may be happy but the first will be unhappy. There is even a hadith which states that a man who could not treat his wives equally will be raised on Judgement Day with half his body paralysed. So before making such big decisions muslims should consider the big picture first and the consequences if they make a mistake.
Oh my god!!!!!!could you be any more deceiving and fraud than that?? it is one thing to
support your arguments but using half the ayah and then accusing others of misquoting out of
context. You didn't even post that single ayah completely, posted only that part which suits
your view.
I am not going to get into the debate about whether its ok or not (practically/socially) but
people like you need to stop picking and choosing , croping ayahs to suit your own viewpoint.
shameful tsk tsk
below are the 4 different translations (complete ayah)
Muhsin Khan
You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so
**do not incline too much to one of them (by giving her more of your time and provision) so as
to leave the other hanging (i.e. neither divorced nor married). And if you do justice, and do all
that is right and fear Allah by keeping away from all that is wrong, then Allah is Ever
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.**
Yusuf Ali
Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But
**turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If
ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.**
Pickthall
Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But
**turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from
evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.**
Shakir
And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it),
**but be not disinclined (from one) with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in
suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.**
Dr. Ghali
And you will never be able to do justice between (your) wives, (Literally: women) even if you
**are (so) eager; yet do not incline away completely (Literally: incline away all inclining) (from
one), so that you leave her (behind) as if she were suspended. And in case you (do)
righteousness and are pious (to Allah), then surely Allah has been Ever-Forgiving,
Ever-Merciful.**
Re: Four Marriages for women!!!
**Oh my god!!!!!!could you be any more deceiving and fraud than that?? it is one thing to
support your arguments but using half the ayah and then accusing others of misquoting out of
context. You didn't even post that single ayah completely, posted only that part which suits
your view.
I am not going to get into the debate about whether its ok or not (practically/socially) but
people like you need to stop picking and choosing , croping ayahs to suit your own viewpoint.
shameful tsk tsk ** below are the 4 different translations (complete ayah)
Muhsin Khan
You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so
**do not incline too much to one of them (by giving her more of your time and provision) so as
to leave the other hanging (i.e. neither divorced nor married). And if you do justice, and do all
that is right and fear Allah by keeping away from all that is wrong, then Allah is Ever
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.**
Yusuf Ali Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women, even if it is your ardent desire: But
**turn not away (from a woman) altogether, so as to leave her (as it were) hanging (in the air). If
ye come to a friendly understanding, and practise self-restraint, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.**
Pickthall Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But
**turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from
evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.**
Shakir And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it),
**but be not disinclined (from one) with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in
suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely Allah is
Forgiving, Merciful.**
Dr. Ghali And you will never be able to do justice between (your) wives, (Literally: women) even if you
**are (so) eager; yet do not incline away completely (Literally: incline away all inclining) (from
one), so that you leave her (behind) as if she were suspended. And in case you (do)
righteousness and are pious (to Allah), then surely Allah has been Ever-Forgiving,
Ever-Merciful.**
Regarding what is written in bold: I am not a deceiver nor a fraud. I did not accuse anyone of misquoting anything. And yes I did only place half the ayah that does not mean I was meaning to hide the rest. In fact, the other half does not say anything against the first half. And I do not pick and choose what ayah to follow.
And if you read that ayah and it says that you cannot do justice with your wives then what does that mean in marriage?
I suggest you calm down and stop accusing people on a whim.
Re: Four Marriages for women!!!
It is important to me that ALLAH has created everything perfectly. Prophet s.a.w is his best creation among all his creations. If anything He s.a.w is most perfect creation of ALLAH. That includes earth, sky, stars, sun, water air, humans, Angels everything.
The Prophet s.a.w i beleive in, cudnt have treated one wife better than other. This wud mean he didnt treat others rite and Prophet s.a.w being Aadil wud treat all same.
Now he cud have liked, one wife better than other becoz 1 being more pious than other but he wud have treated all of them (not including Hazrat Khadija) same as Hazrat Aisha r.a.
I did not say he treated one better than the other. He was the best to all of his wives.
Aisha (ra) may have been better liked but he treated all equally.
He always treated everyone right.
I'm not arguing that point or denying it or debating it.
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I did not say he treated one better than the other. He was the best to all of his wives. Aisha (ra) may have been better liked but he treated all equally. He always treated everyone right. I'm not arguing that point or denying it or debating it.
that is what you typed.... I am glad u didnt mean it.
Qur'an 4:3 "And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course. " A Muslim man * may *marry up to four, however, if he cannot deal justly with each of the wives then he has, he is * forbidden * to marry that many; and can marry only one wife, to prevent treating women unfairly. You have to remember that this refers to the man's ability to treat each of his wives * exactly the same * in every regard: not just materially (ie. food, clothing, shelter, time, money, etc..) but also that he must be able to love them all exactly the same. He must be able to * feel * the same amount of affection and love for each of his wives.
If he cannot do this, then, according to the Qur'an he cannot marry more than one wife.
Quran 4:129 ** And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it)..." **
It is very hard to** treat** wives in a similar manner. Even the Prophet peace be upon him couldn't do it. Aisha (ra) was his favourite. There's even a hadith about this (can't find it right now). This means that men are generally not allowed to engage in polygamy. However, Allah included the allowance for multiple wives under specific circumstances. These include war, gender imbalance in certain regions/countries and women's preference. After a war where a lot of men are killed, there are usually much higher numbers of women alive than men. In this case, men are permitted to take more than one wife, in order to reproduce at a faster rate than normal in order to repopulate the region. Women are more prevalent in some areas of the world, and men are also allowed to marry multiple wives when this is the situation, in order to ensure that every woman has a male partner and doesn't have to fend for herself. Some women also prefer to be a second, third or fourth wife; thus polygamy is also allowed in order to accommodate the desires of these women. But as a general rule, as stated, men are prohibited from engaging in polygamy unless absolutely necessary.
So yeah. Context people. Have to understand the meaning of the whole verse before carrying it out. And although a man can marry without permission from his first wife (unless she stated it in her Nikkah nama) if the first wife is unhappy with his decision and he gets married how will he be treating both wives equally? The second may be happy but the first will be unhappy. There is even a hadith which states that a man who could not treat his wives equally will be raised on Judgement Day with half his body paralysed. So before making such big decisions muslims should consider the big picture first and the consequences if they make a mistake.
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Regarding what is written in bold: I am not a deceiver nor a fraud. I did not accuse anyone of misquoting anything. *And yes I did only place half the ayah that does not mean I was meaning to hide the rest. In fact, the other half does not say anything against the first half. And I do not pick and choose what ayah to follow. * And if you read that ayah and it says that you cannot do justice with your wives then what does that mean in marriage? I suggest you calm down and stop accusing people on a whim.
and why did you not quote rest of it? usually when someone quotes something, they quote the full text. you went on to edit out rest of the ayah, i wonder why??
the second part does say something, it highlights the 'possibility' of a man doing justice, for which the guideline was laid, that he should not go to the extreme and be totally unfair to one (i.e leaving her hanging). as long as the man does his best to do justice it is possible.
if it was just totally impossible, why would God allow it at one point, and negate its possibility in another ayah?
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Woman say aik mard to sanbhala naheen jata 4 chaar kahan say sanbhalain gi :cobra:
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Men are allowed multiple wives because there won't be any problem for children to identify their mothers. But if a woman was allowed to marry multiple husbands, the paternal relationship would have been difficult to identify (although its not a problem in modern days thanks to DNA).
so does that mean women should be allowed multiple marriages now? or God did not see this DNA thing coming?
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so does that mean women should be allowed multiple marriages now? or God did not see this DNA thing coming?
Case of 4 wives
When women is having periods, husband cud go to another wives if he has 4, Or this might lean him towards Zina
Case of 4 Husbands
When wife is having periods, 4 Husbands will wait for periods to end.... More chances of Zina.
ALSO
Its always better to have one jugs with 4 glasses, rather than one glass and four jugs.
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^hainn
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^hainn
Is that wht u r referring to ?
Its always better to have one jugs with 4 glasses, rather than one glass and four jugs.
What i shld have said was
Its better to pour from 1 jug to four glasses, this way u wud know whats in each glass and whats in jug.
Compared to pouring from 4 glasses to one jug, becoz u wud know what was in glasses and but u wudnt know whats in jug.
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Mard choro 4 MILS ka socho…har second 1 new thread open hoga.