Former Pakistan PMs in poll pact (Bhutto and Sharif)

Former Pakistan PMs in poll pact

                                                             ** Two exiled former Pakistani prime ministers, Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto, have said they will return to their country and contest elections. **                                                             The pair, who were once bitter political rivals, announced their intention after a meeting in London.                                
                           They also called for the restoration of democracy to Pakistan, fair elections and the release of political prisoners.                               
                           Ms Bhutto said she would also  consider forming an alliance with Mr Sharif.                                                    
                                                    
                          **                              Democracy undermined                              **                              

“We want to go back. We are very keen to go back and it is our candid and considered view that the elections cannot be held in a fair and free manner unless and until the two main leaders go back to the country and participate in the election campaign,” Mr Sharif said.
Miss Bhutto - the leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party - and Mr Sharif - the leader of the Pakistan Muslim League - went into exile more than six years ago.
President Musharraf has said he will prevent Mr Sharif from returning to Pakistan, while Miss Bhutto said in January that she was prepared to return to her country to face any charges if summoned by the courts.

                                                                                                         "I am planning to go back to Pakistan for the elections of 2007 and I will be discussing this with Mr Sharif," she said.                               

The pair warned that their absence from the political scene in Pakistan had undermined democracy in the country, and that President Musharraf wielded too much power.
“The United States should have its friendship not with one individual in the country,” said Mr Sharif. “It should make the people of Pakistan its friends, otherwise this present (US) policy … is serving nothing else but alienating the 150 million people of the country.”
The two leaders said they would meet again in London on 14 May.

                          Story from BBC NEWS:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/4941544.stm


If these 2 comeback, and somehow get back into power, it’ll show how retarded the majority of pakistan population is. Political parties are not supposed to be run like a family business, but that is what it is in Pakistan. Sharif and Bhutto dynasty is going to bankrupt Pakistan.
They’re probably coming back to try and refill their coffers. All these years of exile probably took a little toll.

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they are the thekadaar of democracy? I find it very saddening because the fact is that if elections were held these jokers probably will win, partially because people seem to identify more with personalities rather than policies, and because we all know how the voting takes place in the majority of the village dwelling population.

There needs to be a revolution within their parties. The parties can survive and move forward without these jokers, but I guess it will not happen.

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You are right Fraudia.benazir is chairperson for life of PPP and mian saab in leader of muslim league of his own faction.

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Fraudia,

Who else do you think are real politicians?
FARID

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^^ they're prevented from showing up by the system in place. blame the army for whatever, but they're not really responsible. the political parties themselves are structured to keep the real sincere people away from important positions. favoritism, corruption all play a part, and the real assholes end up on top.

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baap dada ka mulk hai, mil ke lootayn gai :dhimpak:

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^^ Imran Khan ZINDABAD :D

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There was revolution within their parties, I think you didn’t see that, didn’t you see numbers and numbers of PPP members joining the ranks of military dictatorship calling them selves PPPP or the PML Q which is now the unofficial party of the "ba-wardi" President. Why we don’t see these as revolutions, nobody asked them why they are quitting their old parties, policies, agendas, the military administration even accommodated few of them in its cabinet, that’s my dear is the modus operendi of the revolution in Pakistani Military / politics. The military as usual, went a step ahead to accommodate these personalities by rigging the local elections. Those who believe that the current administration is more "principled" are not different than those who support these old personalities.

The point is why do we get saddened that people given the fair chance to vote will elect some incompetent leadership? May be underneath all of this voting exercise is the desire or hope to come up with an administration that gives a damn about its constituents, Isn’t that right. But why do we believe that some self-righteous, for whom nobody ever voted is going to give a damn about what we want…..may be he thinks that the stupid, ignorant illiterate Pakistanis don’t even deserve to vote their conscious.

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Why we don’t see these as revolutions, nobody asked them why they are quitting their old parties, policies, agendas, the military administration

By that you mean corruption?????

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I have nothing against people getting a “fair” chance to vote.
Do you honestly believe that the people who got into power via votes were people that public actually voted freely for? and do you really think that these “elected” officials dealt with the public in a manner better than the military regimes? Can ypu honestly say that they gave a damn? especially bezamir

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True!!
How many peoples vote on the basis of someone's abilities, education etc????? Most villagers and even urban population vote for certain people MAINLY because they are Choudharys, Waderas or Sardars and people keep voting them generation after generations. Most people just vote some highly incompetent and illetrate thugs just because they represent their desired parties.

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A great threat for mushy. Now mushy full under pressure. because US is not with mushy govt they are now with opposition parties.

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The pact is to jointly plunder Pakistan now. Allah reham karay Pakistan kay haal par. Khoob guzray gee jub mil bethain gay chor doh.

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What an irony these two.
I guess BB should come back asap so she can face the courts, get convicted, serve various sentences and be freed before the 07 elections to take part in them. Meanwhile the confusion over her graduation still hovers. And will Sharif saab's 10 years as agreed be over in 2007?

All that aside, i'm afraid if they do come back, we the public can not be trusted at all. Lack of the same thing; literacy-academic and of affairs surrouding everyday life and of personal responsibility.That's why democracy fails and appears as a hoax, even more so when democratic party leaders claiming to be messiahs of democracy are party chairholders for life; something they had inherited from their fathers. In Nawaz's case his godfather Gen Zia; like Sheikh Rashid said 2 days ago in an interview on ARY-"...fauj ki god main baith ke barrey huey hain...".

It's the public that ought to know better and take charge of its fate.

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Whats more frustrating is that we have been unable to get an alternate leadership. When BB and NS fail us, its either Mazaris or Chaudhris who take over and do the same damage to the country. Intermittently, we get Military taking over and now Bretton Wood kids to show us how to govern ourselves!

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Everybody is missing the point here.. Instead of talking bout leaders (Benazir or Nawaz) the meeting is significant as it may lead to strenthening of the institution of denocracy in Pakistan. There is going to be a charter signed about ethics in politics. Both have admitted about past mistakes of calling army against governments.. Dictators had taken advantage of them and in present govt all the corrupt elements of both parties were collected by Musharaf to form present govt. thus the present govt is the most corrupt headed by Musharaf. Today army generals are the most corrupt but are holy cows and no one can look at their affairs.

Today Pakistanis are ashamed to have army dictator haededing them whereas India, Bangla Desh and now even Nepal is racing toeards peoples will. There should be firm rules that likes of Sh Rasheed, Ch Shujat, Humayun Akhtar etc. could not manipulate and join hands with dictators and subjugate constitution of Pakistan.

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But the army does have a problem with people getting a fair chance to vote. Its puts a limits to their power as an institution.

Yes Pir ji, actually I believe that, people got into power because we as Pakistanis voted for them, at least in the elections those were not rigged, the rest were all power grabs, thanks to the Army. As per giving a damn, no body gave a damn, the military or the elected politicians, but that doesn’t mean that we should forsake the very tradition of voting in free and fair elections.

Since Oct 99, the current administration had plenty of chances to establish new rules of political engagement. Were there any new leaders? changes in administration, no, all we see is a power grab again. The current honest PM of a 150 million nation doesn’t even have his own constituency. More than half of the current cabinet is full of people who had corruption charges filed against them. Its almost seven years, do you see any change in political system or giving a damn about the will or the rights of the people. I don’t see any change, so can you see the difference between someone who is voted and doesn’t give a damn about its people and some one who is never voted and doesn’t give a damn about people. The only difference is a vote, my trust, even though its violated, but that’s my trust in democracy, and no men in wardi can tell me that I shouldn’t vote left and right because it would be violated, rather they should learn to vote as well.

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Pakistani political elite supports military regime

** Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, speaking to a symposium in Toronto, Canada on November 8, said, “General Musharraf’s intentions look honest when he says that he will be fair in his approach and that he is motivated by patriotism.” Bhutto’s remarks, reported by the Pakistani newspaper Dawn, concerned the military chief who took power in a coup overthrowing the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on October 12. Her speech reflected the common approach of the major political parties in Pakistan to the military overthrow. The coup took place in the midst of growing agitation demanding Sharif’s resignation. The opposition launched its anti-government drive after the withdrawal of Pakistani-backed forces from the Kargil heights in Indian Kashmir last July. Sharif countered with a campaign of repression. When the military took power in Pakistan, Bhutto, the leader of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP), the main bourgeois opposition party, was in London, where she has been living in exile to avoid a jail sentence on corruption charges. At a press conference in London on October 19 Bhutto acknowledged that she had made contact with the army after the coup, seeking safe passage to return to Pakistan. Justifying the coup, she said that Sharif “created conditions” for the military take over. “He has sought to dismantle democracy…When he attacked the army there was a perception that he was politicizing the last non-political institution in the country. The army reacted,” she said. Bhutto hailed the coup leader, General Musharraf, as “a courageous and bold professional, committed to civilian order.”
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Her claim that the military is a “non-political institution” is absurd. The Pakistani military has ruled the country, on and off, for a total of more than two decades since independence in 1947. Last month’s coup was the third military takeover in the 52-year history of the country. Even under civilian rule the generals have exercised enormous political influence. The PPP leader offered to work with the military in an “interim council” that she expected Musharraf would set up. But the military instead indicated it would charge Bhutto for corruption as part of its effort to “cleanse society”.** Despite this, in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel, Bhutto reiterated that she was “ready to offer any kind of informal help (to the military) … in the interest of the country.” **Having received the signal from the party leader in London, PPP leaders within Pakistan proceeded to bow to the new military regime. The Dawn newspaper reported that PPP former minister and senator Iqbal Haider praised the military leader, saying he “sounded more like a sincere, well-meaning, humble and committed patriot.” Among the vociferous supporters of the coup was the politician-turned cricket captain Imran Khan. He was quoted in the October 18 issue of Dawn as saying: “In view of this serious situation the entire nation and all democratic parties have welcomed the dismissal of the Nawaz government and takeover by the army.”

The Muttihida Qaumi Movement (MQM), based on Indian Muslims who fled to Pakistan during the partition of 1947, took the same stand. When the general announced he would carry out IMF dictates, MQM said: “It is a popular agenda.” In a November 1 open letter to the military chief, MQM “recognized that the General had taken upon himself the task of national reconstruction, security and reorganization.” Leaders of the nineteen-party Grand Democratic Alliance (GDA), which was formed three months back to escalate agitation to oust Nawaz Sharif, welcomed Musharraf’s October 17 policy declaration. The military chief’s “program is in complete harmony with our agenda and we support it,” said the GDA in a statement issued after its leaders met on October 21. The GDA includes the PPP, MQM and other political parties. It excludes Jamaat-I-Islami and other fundamentalist groups. Immediately after the coup, Jamaat Vice President Prof. Gaffoor Ahmed said: “The whole nation has supported the army takeover and hopes he (Musharraf) will not unnecessarily prolong his rule.” But in recent days a conflict has arisen between the Jamaat-I-Islami and the military ruler. In an interview given to Turkish TV, Musharraf said he admired the Turkish nationalist and secularist leader Kemal Ataturk, who ruled Turkey in 1920s, and would like to direct Pakistan in line with Kemal’s program. In response to this statement, Jamaat leader Qazi Hussein Ahmed declared there was no room for a secular government in Pakistan, whereupon the army banned him from entering his home province, the North West Frontier Province, for 30 days. Jamaat said it would go to the courts against this ban. In the aftermath of the coup divisions have emerged within Nawaz Sharif’s Pakistani Muslim League (PML). Sharif is in so-called protective custody and the military dictator has hinted that the ousted prime minister could be tried for “treason and corruption." PML Vice President Ijazul Haq told the press in London on October 16 that he was ready to become a caretaker prime minister in any civilian administration. He denounced “sycophants who surrounded Sharif and fed him bad advice.” After a meeting of party leaders on October 21, Zafarul Haq, a party coordinator, said the meeting had decided not to adopt a policy of “confrontation” (with the military). Economic collapse and bitter rivalries among various factions have plagued the ruling elite. Sharif had to withhold implementation of some of the IMF conditions out of fear of a social explosion. Visiting Washington last August, Shahbaz Sharif, then chief minister of Punjab Province and brother of the prime minister, said, “Over 90 percent of the people in Pakistan live in abject poverty. They are deprived of the most basic amenities of life, while less than 5 percent live in a state of obscene luxury.” The 1997 general election provided an indication of the gulf between the political elite and the masses, and the people’s contempt for the existing parties. It was widely reported that Sharif’s party received 65 percent of the votes, but voter turnout was a mere 26 percent. The Financial Times wrote on November 2: “Popular disgust with Mr. Sharif is only marginally greater than loathing for Ms. Bhutto… ‘The people of Pakistan hate Nawaz Sharif but they hate Benazir too,’ says one official who has served both. ‘They would like nothing better than to see the two hang side by side.'”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/pak-n17.shtml

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ham to National Exchequer sirf aur sirf awam ki falah-o-bahbood ki khatir khali karte hayn, only for the sake of people and nation we loot its wealth.

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You got it right. Looking at it with paradigm shift makes this agreement between BB and NS a good omen for the good governance. Lets hope that they would not repeat their past mistakes.