Forced Conversions to Islam (in Kerala)

Muslims make such a big about a person converting from Islam when they themselves have forcibily converted Hindus in thousands

Here is a article on forced conversions to Islam in Kerala.

This led Mahatama Gandhi to remark in 1924: “My own experience but confirms the opinion that the Mussalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as a rule is a coward.”

Indian school history books have given only a passing reference to the rebellion so as to avoid uncomfortable questions about Hindu massacres in a Muslim uprising against the British.

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Arsonists took to the street, burning and destroying government property. The initial focus was on the British, but when the limited presence of the British was eliminated, Moplahs turned their full attention on the Hindus. One Mohommed Haji was proclaimed the Caliph of the Moplah Khilafat and flags of Islamic Caliphate were flown. Ernad and Walluvanad were declared Khilafat kingdoms. Massacres and forced conversions of Hindus, desecration of their temples and rape and abduction of Hindu women were perpetrated by the Moplahs.

The Report of the Enquiry Committee of the Servants of India Society stated that about 1,500 Hindus were murdered and over 20,000 were forcibly converted to Islam. The molestation and abduction of Hindu women was seemingly endless.

Dr. Annie Besant, a widely respected thinker, stated: "They [Moplahs] murdered and plundered abundantly, and killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatise. Somewhere about a lakh (100,000) of people were driven from their homes with nothing but their clothes they had on, stripped of everything…Malabar has taught us what Islamic rule still means, and we do not want to see another specimen of the Khilafat Raj in India. "

Though this was an act of courage against British rule, it was also an act of savagery against the Hindus. Due to this, it is also considered as a jihad against all non-Muslims (Hindu and British) to impose Islamic rule in the area.

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They missed you huh?

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how indifferent and mention gujarat tears of concern will start flowing......Islmaist want no backlash from hindus they expect them to remain coward forever god forbid somewhere they veer from the path of cowardice complains start flowing..............

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Massacres and forced conversions of Hindus, desecration of their temples and rape and abduction of Hindu women were perpetrated by the Moplahs.

The molestation and abduction of Hindu women was seemingly endless.
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This alone clearly shows that the rulers were not following Shariah. To the best of my knowlege, women, children, elderly, and the disabled are not considered part of the war. You do not go attacking or killing them.

As evident, this is clearly a deviation from the Islamic teachings.

Like many other groups, they may have used Islam as a scapegoat to serve their purpose.

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May not be islam but this is exactly what happens in most of the cases.. btw what is war......... in this case I don't see any ground of war.. i mean Mustafa Kamal refused to don the khilafat leader robe how come that makes mopalah hindus guilty of anything............

even today recently some evengelist in usa bad-mouthed prophet some muslims went ahead and killed around 12 hindus in poona India................. too many loose canons are movng around as islamic scholar sometimes I wish islam had been monolyth like christianity and there wud have been central maulavi like pope at least then everyone would not have been to do his own interpretation and go crazy............

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depends........those who bear no arms are not considered combantents even if they are young men thus they are not harmed, those men taken as PoW are not killed that is why Iraqi border cities were teaming with young Iranian men who became slaves in the time of Umar(ra).

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The article that this Indian :disgust: so confidently posted as fact comes with a clear disclaimer at the top that states its neutrality to be disputed. You need only click on the link to see.

As the discussion page for the article makes clear, the article is clearly written from one point of view and it makes use of unverified information.

Indeed, the article that this Indian :disgust: has posted cites the following website as one of its sources:

You can see that this is nothing other than a anti-Muslim hate site that sympathises, even glorifies, the events of the Gujarat riots, a site that glorifies the mass murder of Muslims as being the triumph of hindu nationalism over “secular” India that “appeases” Muslims.

Today, we have seen this Indian :disgust: , this nichol_john, reveal his true feelings through confidently posting such a clearly biased article that is willing to unashamedly relate information from an anti-Muslim hate site.

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The point is that Gandhi was absolutely wrong. Behind so called coward front Hindu was the most aggressive and brutal of all...worse than brits killing muslims with pride.

Off sourse the weapon was hidden in the dirty smelly dhoti.

Can anyone challenge about a millioin killed by the same so called tolerant and disguised hindus during partition...based on the 'democraczy' show-cased by same hindus now?

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yeah and u guys garlanded people during partition.. drive people to edge and when they retaliate say ahaa see we are not the only intolerants others do to.. guess what everyone has limits u just can't keep on squeezing on and on without back-lash sooner or later people wud say enough is enough.......

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^ Yeah, and we should bring articles from Wikipedia..... the most untrusted source in the world. Cynic, I know your behind still burns that minority muslims ruled your majority hindu arse for 700 plus years.

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And I am sure u consider that loot plunder some kind of honour badge...anyway I don't dwell in past I look into present and thankfully there is no islamic power worth any name for me to fear for the repeat of that past

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Whatever we see the goodness in indian sub-continent is due to Muslim rule over this land. For example if today Akbar came back he will have no problem ruling over this piece of land and will be accpeted by hindus. Point is the rule was good for Indian subcontinent whether anyone agrees or not...history is the proof.

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Muslims should not be apologists to their faith. As far as Islam is concerned, there is no ambuiguity at all. Why are Muslims trying to avoid the inevitable 'clash of civilizations' by appealing to the 'moderate and educated Muslims' ?

The 'moderate and educated Muslims' are Muslims only by birth, and not by 'believing' faith. They are ignorant about the faith but wish to accomodate the western ideas by ascribing alien interpretations to Islam because they want to remain in the 'Burger Class' and not be kicked out of it just for being Muslims. They are understandably confused.

The Muslims by faith are 'correctly' those Jihadis who want to bring down the entire western civilization. Nothing odd about that. This is the path all major powers have taken throughout known history towards opposing powers. That was indeed the aim of Mongols when they ransacked the Abbasid Baghdad and brought an end to the original Islamic civilization which was more 'enightened' than any other civilization existing at the time. Why do we forget? The original Islam took into account all these realities.

The fundamental mistake people make in defining Islam is terming it as a religion, while it is actually a 'political' movement 'guided' by a certain faith.

Who said Islam is a religion of peace? It is a completely false notion. Islam is no more about peace than was the Roman empire. It is an expansionist philosophy just as the Romans and the Greeks aimed at global domination, in which it at-least partly suceeded and persevered for 1300 years from 7th century right uptill early 20th century with the fall of the Ottomans. That is more than any other politico-military force in known history.

The decision about whether Islam was a peaceful spiritual movement, or a militant-political one was made long ago on the actual day of Muhammad (S) death. The question was whether the successor should be a spiritual one to maintain the 'message' or a politically expedient temporal one with the suitable skills and social status. It was decided that the eternal spiritual message had been completed and now it was time to consolidate and expand with a temporal successor. So Abu Bakr was nominated. Ali may have been the spritual choice being 'Ahl-e-Bait' but none of the Ahl-e-Bait were invited to be on the selecting committee. So the choice was made. Even the Ansaar of Medina, the die-hard loyalists of Muhammad (S) were sidelined in the process and continued to be sidelined but remained faithful anyway right till the end to whomever was the Caliph. None of them betrayed any of the Khulfa-e-Rashideen when many of the prophet's own companions of Quraish from post-Fatah Mecca period did so.

There are many conflicting traditions as to which future path Muhammad (S) himself might have taken, or whether he was prevented or sabotaged from naming a successor on his death bed. So we can only carry on from the beginning of the Caliphates.

Abu Bakr consolidated Arabia and put down apostacies, Umar expanded into ALL neighbouring regions of Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Persia, Palestine etc and brought an end to the Sassanids and the Byzantines hold. Usman got hold of regions across the seas like Cyprus and Rhodes before falling to internal conflicts. Ali fell prey to the repercussions of Usman's assasination and largely had a failure of a caliphate full of betrayals by the most trusted and saw his empire shrinking till his violent end. Hassan abdicated in favour of Muwai'ya and Hussain was beheaded by Muwi'yas son Yazeed. That was the end of any spiritual message to be conveyed further. All the Ahl-e-Bait had been summarily dealt with.

What Muhammad (S) himself did at Khaibar was meticulously followed later by the temporal caliphs, albeit at a much larger scale. The political principles followed were simple. Only three choices:

(1) Become Muslim; or

(2) Pay Jizziya (Protection money); or

(3) Pick up the sword and get ready to die.

These are still the three choices.

Islam recognised long ago that 'might is right'. So be it. Muslims should not be apologists to their faith. They must come up and 'say' that yes, Islam is militant, and looking for global domination, and yes it will bomb and kill and behead towards that goal. So what? Is that too different from what everyone else did throughout the centuries towards the same end?

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Only the Ullemas and saints of Islam did the right thing and spread Islam to every part of Indian subcontinent.They were all peace loving thats why many indians converted to islam.Obviously they didnot spread Islam by sword otherwise the whole india would have been muslim and the 450 million plus muslims living in the indian subcontinent would have reverted to their old religions.

why we muslims support the corrupt muslim rulers as well?what did they contribute to india I think few historial buildings thats it.

The main development of this area was done by the british.Educational and health facilities.Highways railway tracks.

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I agree with this completely. As someone else said, Islam is a militaristic movement. Desert, and you get the death sentence. The overwhelming goal is total conquest, and subjugation. That is why it makes no bones about making distinction between two classes, the believers (the army) and the non-belivers (the enemy). The primary duty of the believer is to kill or convert the non-believer.

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nicols john & nameinuse, the two of you speak about Islam as if the two of you have mastered Islam and know every single thing about Islam like the back of your hand.

Your mere allegations and half-cooked facts show nothing, but your blind hatred and ignorance towards Islam.

There have been times in the past where under the Muslim rulers both Muslims and non-Muslims have lived peacefully and comfortably.

Perhaps next time you guys should try looking at your own faith for a change. Yes, your faith may preach peace, but the followers do the opposite. Not only that, but they take pride in taking a jab at Islam on a regular basis.

If you folks are so peaceful, loving, caring, and the like, then why is it that Muslims wanted a separate state? Why is it that Sikhs want a separate state? There are a few other groups who also aren't happy with the way they are treated in India.

Go fix problems in your own backyard first and then come complaining about Islam.

There's a limit to everything and I see that many of you have made it a point to BS about Islam day in and day out over here.

I wish I had the time to refute your claims, but unfortunately I don't. However, I hope someone else could step forward and refute some of the ridiculous claims you all love to make.

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I have not mastered Islam, nor do I claim to have mastered it. I only know what I see and what I hear from Muslims. From what I see and what I hear, and what Muslims tell me, what I have said if seems to be correct.
Now, to your point about non-Muslims living peacefully while under Muslims rule. I suppose one could claim that Palestinians can also live "peacefully and comfortably". But more to the point, what the Caliph claimed to be "protection money" is commonly called extortion, paid to be treated as a second classs citizen no less. At the same time, Akbar was "excommunicated", so to speak, from Islam because he was too accomodating of the kaffirs. I'm not really sure where you get this idea of peaceful living from. While we are at it, why aren't Muslims willing to live under the kaffir?

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why was akbar "accomodating" hindus???Obviously he wanted to expand his kingdom it has nothing to do with Islam.Muslims condemn Akbar because he introduced deen e illahi which was just to please him and was defaming Islam.I gave this example before in another thread but you guys keep on repeating the same so I think I have to repeat it.The Reincarnated Sain baba who has followers all over andhra pradesh turns out to be a pedophile will they still follow him??If someone associate him with hinduism how will the hindus react

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It is not incumbent upon non-Muslims to come into the fold of Islam. Yes, the non-Muslims were made to pay jizyah and in return their lives and property were protected. Such is the Islamic law. I don't see how it makes Islam an unpeaceful religion by any means.

Sure Palestinians could live comfortably and peacefully, but the way they are treated by their next door neighbours wouldn't vouch for it. To the best of my knowledge, Palestinians have been living in that area for a very long time and it was mainly after WWII that the outsiders were placed in the region and Palestinians were stripped off their property. Also keep in mind that none of us propagate the violence that takes place in Palestine.

Given that Islam has laws and regulations, Muslims in general would prefer to live under the rule of a Muslim government. It makes it easier for Muslims to practice their faith properly.

Also, how willing are you to have rulers of other faiths rule your land and your people? Would that be acceptable to you folks? Would you willingly and open-heartedly accept it? You make it sound as if Muslims nowadays are detesting the countries they're living under. If it's about Muslims wanting to have Islamic law (i.e. family law and the like) in non-Islamic countries, then other faiths have also been granted such rights; however, Muslims have been held back. Heck, even under the Islamic rule, non-Muslims are free to refer to their own religious courts, so long as they don't violate any major Islamic laws.

As for the mughal rulers, I'm not too knowledgeable about them. From what I can remember they became corrupt shortly after. I don't know if they were initially the proper Muslim rulers to begin with.

It'd be much appreciated if you folks could refrain from bashing Islam. Some of you have really made a point to come here and do nothing, but talk trash about Islam, while completely being oblivious of what your own folks may be doing or what your faith may be preaching.

The way many of you speak of Islam is as if you're all scholars and experts and know Islam inside out.

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Certainly no different than what Indians are doing in Kashmir, or what America is doing the world over.

This is the paradigm of Imperial Islam, and weather or not the war of surivival the Prophet fought justifies it or not, certainly we shouldn't find ourselves in the surrealism of an ideological bubble that is at odds with non-Muslim behavior, and their desire to attack and kill muslims with impunity.

You're right, Muslims have NOTHING to apologize for...however non-Muslims risk looking like the ignorant fool if they think our actions today are an attempt to somehow blindly mimic the Prophet's (saw) actions.

What the Prophet (saw) taught us was that absolute pacifism is stupid in the face of certain death. If that makes us militant in the eyes of muslim-hating Kafirs, then so be it...