forced conversions report

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Punjab:-Christian-woman-forced-to-convert-and-marry-her-kidnapper-22303.html
"Mariam Gill was abducted on her way home from the market. Her father and brother filed a complaint with police, which failed to intervene however because her kidnapper is “a respectable Muslim businessman”. A Muslim religious leader says the action was in accordance with Islamic law. Islamabad bishop warns that cases of forced conversion are “rising at an alarming rate”. "

what does it take for a society to get rid of such bigotry?

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Majority of Pakistan especially the north west and surrounding areas are very intolerant and extremism thrives there. Intolerance is at an all time high. Just recently people caught eating outside during ramzan in Faisalabad would be jailed for good. So now what are non Muslims supposed to do?
I'm thankful that a Christian like me is from Karachi, a very open and tolerant city. Probably the only city in Pakistan left where there is some religious tolerance.

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Sad news indeed...

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In accordance with Islamic law? freaking idiots.

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This is sad, people in this country are turning into nut jobs.

On a side note - is there really a law which bans eating in public during Ramzan?

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I think Ziaul Haq did introduce such laws.

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Please qoute some reliable source not some propaganda sites.

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1947, there are quite a few places in Pak were minorities are quite safe and prosper. Unfortunately Dawn does not have the following story on their site anymore but if someone can dig their archives they might find the following.

Pakistani Christians: statistical data

I am a Pakistani American and a demographical statistician by
profession. I owe loyalty to my motherland particularly to Sialkot
region where I was educated. These days I come across news about
oppression of minorities the world over, including Pakistan, and
subsequent migration.

I can at least attest about my own Pakistani Christian community. The
propaganda of Christians being persecuted and forced to migrate to
other counties smacks of ill-conceived knowledge of demographic data.

In 1901 the Christians living in areas approximating West and East
Pakistan numbered 32,000. By the year 1961 in the same region their
number rose to 733,000. In 1972 even after the separation of East
Pakistan, in the present (West) Pakistan alone the Christian population
increased to 907,861 which rose to 1,310,426 in 1981 according to the
census of Pakistan. By the year 1997 they numbered 2,723,660, an
increase of 207% over 1981 figure.

Without indulging in any comparisons, which are always odious, with
other communities for the sake of reader's curiosity it is revealed
that the Muslim community numbering 81,450,057 in 1981 registered an
increase of 158% by the year 1997 by scoring 129,373,850. The Hindu
community increased by 192% from 1,276,116 in 1981 to 2,451,294 in
1997.

The above data reveals that my Christian community has achieved the
highest percentage increase among the religious communities in
Pakistan. They were only 0.07 pc of population in 1901 but now they are
about 2 pc. Their proportion to total population has increased about
28.5 times and their population has increased 85 times.

My sole purpose in presenting these demographical statistical data is
to infuse understanding among different communities and restrain the
minorities in Pakistan from falling prey to disintegrating political
propaganda to meet selfish ends at the cost of national cohesion and
unity.

HAROLD WILSON

Hicksville, NY, USA

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^^

Just because the numbers of minorities is increasing does not mean they are not being persecuted - or that there is no discrimination against them. All these numbers say is that minorities are not being exterminated en mass.

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Per the original poster "forced conversion" means the number of christians should go down not up but according to you its not happening en-mass then this is a world wide problem in 3rd world countries not just in Pakistan.

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^^^

so what if the number of Christians in total in Pakistan have increased - does this statistic somehow imply that forced conversion do not take place? No it does not.

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Thats not what I said so long its not in en mass as you said.. take it from the top.

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mo293,

Simple math says that rate of growth is different than growth. What we need to look at is the percentage of Christians today vs. in 1947.

Regardless, such forced conversions do happen.

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I think Mr. Harold Wilson have those figures, here is an excerpt below.

Without indulging in any comparisons, which are always odious, with other communities for the sake of reader's curiosity it is revealed that the Muslim community numbering 81,450,057 in 1981 registered an increase of 158% by the year 1997 by scoring 129,373,850. The Hindu community increased by 192% from 1,276,116 in 1981 to 2,451,294 in1997.

The above data reveals that my Christian community has achieved the highest percentage increase among the religious communities in Pakistan. *They were only 0.07 pc of population in 1901 but now they are about 2 pc. Their proportion to total population has increased about 28.5 times and their population has increased 85 times. *

I think the above pretty much summs it up..

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This report here gives a real fate of how minorities are treated in general except a few cities where the non-muslims are allowed to retain
their religion..i need not cite the reports of families migrating to india in last 10 years never to return..This is a prestigious pakistan’s own
institute.

[Jinnah Institute’s Report on the Status of Religious Minorities in Pakistan - South Asia Citizens Web

s](Jinnah Institute’s Report on the Status of Religious Minorities in Pakistan - South Asia Citizens Web)croll down on page to download 70 page pdf…

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I think its a misconception regarding the North West. There was uptill now, with the rise of Taliban terrorists, a fairly large community of Sikh living in the Tribal areas. There is sill a fairly large community within Peshawar aswell...

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you are right......karachi is more dangerous for muslims.......

especially if they happen to be non-urdu.

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Yet the population of Non urdu speakers is growing at an incredible and dangerous rate. I would worry about your Punjabi Taliban in Lahore rather then who's non urdu and who's not in Karachi. And if you had any knowledge of what's going on in karachi then you would know it's urdu speakers who are getting killed more.

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^ 1947, have u ever visited bara markets of Peshawar and met Sikh businessmen there?

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Barring a few unfortunate cases, Christians and Hindus are safe and sound in Pakistan. Sindhi Hindus do not even allow Muslims to visit their temples. Just try to visit their temple in Clifton or Saddar and you will be very rudely stopped as they say it will make the place "unclean." Now try doing that, as a Hindu, in India where everyone is welcome in mosques and there are no restrictions. Even if someone tries to stop you, there will be a huge outcry and you will have many dead Muslims that very day.

Also, the post above has clearly set the record straight that Christian population is increasing in Pakistan. This also means the missionaries are converting Muslims to their faith.