For the muslim members of GS

Society Religion & Philosophy
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I ws wondering something about the concept of Friday prayers in Islam and the resulting rallies/protests/car stonings/battles with Police that occured today from kashmir to Yemen.

Now, in other religions people go to their synogogue, church, mandir, gurdwara to pray for peace, revere god and form a bond with their fellow practionists just as in in Islam. However, there were many other people of different religions that opposed the current war, how come they don’t go ape siht after thursday prayers in the mandir, and friday night prayers in the synogogue or sunday prayer at the church?

Are religious gathering the appropriate fora for political battlecries? Shouldn’t the imam’s sermon be more about peace and harmony and reverence to god rather than stirring up sectarian and political passions.

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If there was a political rally of PPP MQM ABC instead of a fiery sermon, the result in some countries still would have been burning of tyres and general hangama. It says more about public awareness or lack of rather than having anything to do with religion, IMO.

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Re: For the muslim members of GS

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Are religious gathering the appropriate fora for political battlecries? Shouldn't the imam's sermon be more about peace and harmony and reverence to god rather than stirring up sectarian and political passions.
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CH

The friday sermons should be informative, educational, give people spiritual guidance, make them make sense of the world and all. not this BS thats goes on in some mosques.

The mosque which I go to has a wonderful Imaam, I love listening to him because he is a reasonable, calm, educated person. I unfortunately have been to places where the barely educated, screaming zealot starts his tirade against everyone and thats just counter productive. There are too many speakers like this, and sadly we have too many uneducated, emotional people who just get riled up easily.

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Re: For the muslim members of GS

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
I ws wondering something about the concept of Friday prayers in Islam and the resulting rallies/protests/car stonings/battles with Police that occured today from kashmir to Yemen.

Now, in other religions people go to their synogogue, church, mandir, gurdwara to pray for peace, revere god and form a bond with their fellow practionists just as in in Islam. However, there were many other people of different religions that opposed the current war, how come they don't go ape siht after thursday prayers in the mandir, and friday night prayers in the synogogue or sunday prayer at the church?

Are religious gathering the appropriate fora for political battlecries? Shouldn't the imam's sermon be more about peace and harmony and reverence to god rather than stirring up sectarian and political passions.
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Ooh yeah CH mandirs on the other hand promote harmony and tranquility….just look at ram mandir….

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Can someone name some churches, synagogues or temples where the priest reads political sermon and use the same ugly language for people of other religions as we come across in many of Islamic madrisas/ mosques?

Thanks in advance!

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When was the last time you heard a sermon in a Madrassah?

Thanks in advance too...

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I agree with Fraudia to some degree.

The sermon depends on the Imaam. Most Imaams ask their congregation of Muslims to do the prayer of Istikhaara, which is asking Allah SWT for protection and forgiveness.

The anger that you see is the frustration of the Muslim communities due to their so called leaders being such cowards and sell outs keeping their mouths shut for the sake of bribary!

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Can someone name some churches, synagogues or temples where the priest reads political sermon and use the same ugly language for people of other religions as we come across in many of Islamic madrisas/ mosques?

Thanks in advance!
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May be you should brush up on the Rawandan priest and his genocide....

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Chaltahai ji,

Here is my humble opinion on this issue:

For Muslims, religion is the WAY OF LIFE, not something separated from their lives that they just indulge in for a couple of hours. Religion does involve politics for us, there is no separation between politics and religion, or any sphere of life and religion. There is an Islamic way to do everything, including conducting politics. Religious gatherings can be and should be about everything under the sun.

The masjid-al-Nabwi, the first masjid ever built, that the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) built in Madina served not just as a place of worship but as a community center for the Muslims in the city of Madina.

Islam has rules for every aspect of life at every level, including the way the world should be run, and ppl should be governed.

To remain silent towards oppression is a bigger aggression.

The imams did what was the need of the time. Their sermon does not need to be exclusively spiritual. Islam is a very wordly religion, and ofcourse their sermon should involve the most burning current affairs issue which is on the mind of every Muslim. It is the duty of the religious leaders of the community to keep the community informed abt Islam's viewpoint on all aspects of life, spiritual, social, political etc...

The rioting was very unfortunate but I am sure the imams did not tell the ppl to riot; that happenned because emotions were running high. I too condemn imams who preach violence, but it is a misconception that the majority do. There was rioting in anti war protests even in US cities today, and these ppl were non Muslims. I know non Muslims where I live in the USA were arrested for rioting.

Ofcourse the imams will remind the Muslims abt the Islamic duty of the ummah at this crucial time, at the Friday sermon. Muslims must not sit silently and witness this genocide and cruelty that is happenning in Iraq. The aim of the sermons was not to 'stir political and sectarian passions' but to make people realise that what was going on in Iraq is CRUEL and UNJUST.

The Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) said , 'Whosoever from among you witnesses evil, he should change it with his hands. And if he is unable to do so then he should change it with his tongue. And if he is unable to do so with his tongue, then he should at least consider it to be wrong. And this is the weakest stage of Imaan.'

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May be you should brush up on the Rawandan priest and his genocide....
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Don't forget reverend Jim Jones...914 died: 638 adults and 276 children. Some sources say 911 died....

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*Originally posted by anand: *
Can someone name some churches, synagogues or temples where the priest reads political sermon and use the same ugly language for people of other religions as we come across in many of Islamic madrisas/ mosques?

Thanks in advance!
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how about something that reaches way beyond a mosque :) ever try the 700 club or any of these lame punk azz evangelists bakwaas?

oh but what would a muslaa like me know I am just a heathen, goyim, icchantika, nastika :D

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So with the examples of Jim Jones and the Rwandan priest and his followers and making the comparison to the thousands who every friday afternoon gather after the prayers outside the mosques and yelling death to America and ISrael, we can safely assume that those muslims and the adherents of jim Jones and Rwandan priest alike are certiably nuts. RIght?????

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Recently the Malaysian PM was telling the NAM gentry that common people at a plane, or at a general transport feel fear while seeing some bearded band on the board.
Who is guilty for this psyche?

People like Irem and Fruadia have really made a mockery of Islam all the time bringing in some fake sermons or they find all the time some excuses for bad Islam.

Frankly my question is going blank………

Can someone name some churches, synagogues or temples where the priest reads political sermon and use the same ugly language for people of other religions as we come across in many of Islamic madrisas/ mosques?

Thanks in advance!

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anand, yes. I have attended church sermons and been in two synogogues where there was hatred being spewed against muslims specifically, to answer your question.

No I did not speak out against it. I was there to observe. Probably should have raised my hand.

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Originally posted by anand: *
**People like Irem and Fruadia have really made a mockery of Islam all the time bringing in some fake sermons or they find all the time some excuses for bad Islam.*

anand, here is a word of advise, lets be civil to one another. I have not made a mockery of jack. I am trying to communicate and discuss, Just because you and I differ does not mean we fall to the levels that we see here. If you want to, go ahead do as at your own will. Thats not my style and not my intent to get into a pissing contest.

oh by the way show me where i brought in ONE fake sermon..

I am as against the extremist elements in islam as the next guy, but I unlike some, dont think that applies to all of islam just like i dont think pat robertson and his types are all of christianity or RSS and VHP are all of hinduism.

Frankly my question is going blank………

I answered it did I not, just off teh top of my head i named major evengelists whose sermons have been full og ugly language for people of other religions

*Can someone name some churches, synagogues or temples where the priest reads political sermon and use the same ugly language for people of other religions as we come across in many of Islamic madrisas/ mosques? *

Nope, but i cant name masjids that do the same. does nto mean that they dont do that. Only means that I dont know which ones because the masjid i go does not.

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anand chunnu, ur question has been answered. ab teri tape kiyon phassi hay? :confused:

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Re: For the muslim members of GS

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.................................Shouldn't the imam's sermon be more about peace and harmony* and reverence to god rather than stirring up sectarian and political passions.................
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CH Dear.

Not when u are being victimised and oppressed ..

secondly its quite the same as extremist hindu leaders and swammis lead mobs from different Mandirs and convened at the babri mosque and then helped them to desecrate the mosque.

In that respect our mullahs are not that good they can give long sermons but cant lead ppl .:)

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PKC: You know very well where I stand on this issue. Those idiots and their adherents should be shot in public. I am hoping you would eet me half way to convey similar sentiments to those rabble rousers on friday afternoon.

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Why you get angry so easily, dear Fraudia? You talk of peace! Can peace survive without patience?

You have named one person or incident. Whereas in many of Islamic States your mosques are easily exploited for hatred. Am I wrong?
We cannot accept everything blindly but in practical it exposes entirely something different.
May be, you remember the scenario at Afghan-Pak border before the start of Afghan war. Thousands of Pak citizens were willing to enter Afghanistan to fight against your kafirs.
Pls do not tell me that those thousands were just individuals.
This is practical Islam, taught at mdrisa and mosques.

So my question is going blank…….
Can someone name some churches, synagogues or temples where the priest reads political sermon and use the same ugly language for people of other religions as we come across in many of Islamic madrisas/ mosques?

Thanks in advance!

PS, as per your cultured language I can judge that you are against Hindu chauvinists, I am also against them and we can talk!

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I think the lefties have some kind of concocted view about peace, and religions especially Islam. The biggest misconception is that, Islam means peace and Islam means a religion of peace. Again, its been said for thousand of times and let me say it again, Islam means submitting your will to god, and following his will. The second misconception is (among muslims as well) that mosques are some place where you are supposed to just worship is totally wrong. They need to read the islamic history and to see the role of masjid in islam.

Islam has defined a clear way for achieving peace among people and among religions and that is through justice and through provision of justice. This is the case in most o f the religions as well.

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The friday sermons should be informative, educational, give people spiritual guidance, make them make sense of the world and all. not this BS thats goes on in some mosques.
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I think what Fraudia meant here was to teach people about the value of justice and then tell them to be witness to injustice, if this is what is going on in mosques then it is really BS.

In mostly muslim populated countries, the mosque is the perfect public forum to speak and protest against injustice, in absence of any real representation of their sentiments if the imam spearheads this effort, I think it totally natural.