For people who are interested in Hadith topic.

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lets just all stick to the topic. the topic has nothing to do with Jamaat e ahmadiyya. Let this thread be clean and to the point.

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Now on topic. One thing should be kept in mind that Sunnah and Hadith are two different things and shouldn't be mixed up. We have three basic sources of guidance
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1) Quran, the word of Allah and there is no doubt about it
2) Sunnah: sunnah is the way the holy prophet (pbuh) lead his life, did things that has 'tawatar' in it. Quran and sunnah are the prime sources for our guidance. Quran, the book, word of the lord Almighty and Sunnah, its living example (AMLI TAFSEER) i.e., how to lead life according to the word of Allah. that is why Quran clearly tells us to follow Allah and his Messenger (pbuh)
These are two basic things that the holy prophet (pbuh) left for us. examples of sunnah are:
a. way of offering 'salat'
b. How many rakats should comprise each 'salat'
c. way of doing 'Haj' etc.
3) Now comes hadith, the holy prophet (pbuh) himself nor did the rashidoon Caliphs take active measures in collecting and compiling hadiths. This all began 150 years or so after the death of the holy prophet(pbuh). No doubt, the compilers of hadiths were men of high moral stature and took stringent measures in getting to the true sayings of the holy prophet(pbuh). So hadiths are also an important asset for our guidance but they should be tested against Quran and sunnah. So it is not good to reject hadiths altogether like 'chakralwis' nor should we put hadith on a higher precedence than Quran.

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O bhai u r discussing about sahih bukhari as it is some sort of the novel.
he has been acknowledged as a muhaddis of great standing. Hafiz ibn hajar has written a guide (sharah) of sahih bukari named "Fatah ul Bari" consisting of 24 volumes (i guess) and critically evaluated the hadiths narrated in sahih bukhari. He considers imam bukhari is the most authentic muhaddis.

He has quoted dozens of scholars who were either the teachers of imam bukhari or his contemporaries and majority of them considered him the greatest muhhadis world have had ever seen. ibn hajr further added that if he wud had quoted the opinions of those muhaddisin who came after bukhari it wud take whole of his life but i wud not be able to compile those opinion/word of praise due to share volume

In the same way imam qastalani wrote the guide of sahih bukhari named " Irshad us Sari".

And it is matter of great concern that these days every Tom Dick and Harry starts criticizing imam bukhari.
They need to realize the fact that the work of imam bukhari has been tested, evaluated and checked by the scholars of great standing. Every one has approved it.
The ppl who dont know the difference between** mursaal hadith** and murfoo hadith ............ now question the authenticity of hazrat imam bukhari.

What a shame and ignorance.

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man u r surely mistaken. i think u need to read a gud book about asool e hadith and its history of hadith compilation. further discuss it wid some ustaad ul hadith.

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Well, they didn't feel the importance to collect and compile all the sahifas because everything was quite fresh in their memory, ao they concentrated more on putting ahadith in their actions, but the sahifas of ahadith were passed down from Sahaba like Abu Hurayra(ra), Ibn Abbas(ra) and Ibn Masud(ra) to the Successors.

Dr Jonathan writes in his book "Hadith(Muhammad's Legacy in the Medieval and Modern world) " Some of the early Isnad that appear most regularly in Hadith collection seem to be a record of* Sahifas* being handed down from teacher to student or from father to son. We thus often find the Sahifa-isnad of Aby Hurayra to Abd al-Rahman, to his son al-Ala. The successor Abu al-Zubayr al-Makki received the sahifa of the companion Jabir b. Abdallah, and one of the most famous Successor, al-Hassan al-Basri(d.110/728), received the sahifa of the Companion Samura b. Jundub. An example of a sahifa that has survived intact today, the *sahifa *of the Successor Hammam b. Munabbih(d.130/747), contains 138 hadiths from the Prophet via Abu Hurayra."

Also , you don't find many ahadith narrated by khilafa rashidun but by the companions who were young and were for a shorter time with the Prophet, like Abu Hurayra(ra) who was only for 3 years with the Prophet(SAW) is the largest source for hadith, he didn't have the ahadith written down then but he compiled all these ahadith later in his life, and Ibn Abbas(ra) who was only 14 years old when the Prophet(SAW) died, has compiled around 1,7000 ahadith. On the other side Abi Bakr(ra) is the source for only 142, Ali (ra) for 536 and Umer(ra) for 537.

Regarding the authenticity of a hadith, there's ilm al-hadith and through this you can learn about the chain of a hadith and then there are other measures to knoe if a hadith is reliable or not, a hadith scholar can tell you all this.

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^kchugtai gets his knowledge from Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's books.
Anyways back to topic.
People seriously need to get in touch with reality. They will believe a 70s hippie, they will erase verses from the quran, then they'll try to come up with some absurd theories and expect us to fall for it? Get a grip.

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^I didn't disagree with what kchughtai wrote, I just gave it a context.

As for SubmitJ, well, he's from a different planet altogether. lol

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Laugh and mock all you want now, because you won't be when prophet Muhammad says on the day of Judgment as you look to him (your idol) for support, [Quran 25:30] 'my Lord, my people have deserted THIS Quran!'

When that happens, all your mocking and insults will come back to haunt you. You will then remember all the warnings you were given, but it will be too late for you.

Peace

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So this doesn’t apply to the people (you) that have erased verses from the Quran? :rolleyes:

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this is really just an introduction, but importance have to be placed on the topic of fabricated ahadith as well which Dr Brown touches on briefly

rise of hadith recording and recording of history amongst arabs started togather but later in late abbassid period these genres diverged from each other

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Also , you don't find many ahadith narrated by khilafa rashidun but by the companions who were young and were for a shorter time with the Prophet, like Abu Hurayra(ra) who was only for 3 years with the Prophet(SAW) is the largest source for hadith, he didn't have the ahadith written down then but he compiled all these ahadith later in his life, and Ibn Abbas(ra) who was only 14 years old when the Prophet(SAW) died, has compiled around 1,7000 ahadith. On the other side Abi Bakr(ra) is the source for only 142, Ali (ra) for 536 and Umer(ra) for 537.

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thats because the younger companions narrated from older companions as well as from the Prophet.
of all Badris most have not narrated a single hadith , so the argument that "how can a late companion narrate so many hadith ?" falls flat on its face
it depends on location of companion, his memory , his motivation ( which atleast for sunnnis is pure) and most importantly his disciples and their resources for propogation

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anwar ul bari ...urdu sharah sahih bukhari is also a good place to start for non-arabic speakers , as fath ul bari is sadly not in urdu or english as far as i know

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Nasirahmed

Please stay on topic or your posts will be removed.

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Me?! lol… Nice try. I have not removed verses from the Quran. Neither did Rashad Khalifa. GOD via HIS math miracle proof of the Quran purified and protected the Quran from falsehood. It exposed the false verses 9:128-129 that were injected by humans after the prophet died (verses that have always been suspect). Thus, proving GOD assertion that no falsehood could ever be added to the Quran.[41:41] Those who have rejected the Quran’s proof when it came to them, have also rejected an Honorable book. ](Chapter 41, Detailed (Fussilat) Footnotes)
[41:42] No falsehood could enter it, in the past or in the future; a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy.
I’m sure you will rebut GOD’s words, but remember, the verses are consecutive. So, you can’t make the claim that I am just throwing out random verses from the Quran.

So, we see that those who reject the Quran’s PROOF are also rejecting the Quran. Thus, by default, the proof is within the Quran because if you reject the proof IN the Quran, you are also rejecting the Quran itself. So, after the proof came to them GOD informs us that no falsehood or ‘words NOT from GOD’ could be put in the Quran without being detected. So, it is VERY clear that ‘THE QURAN’S PROOF’ will prove the QUran is protected from tampering…and it did.

So, tell me. What is GOD referring to when HE says ‘THE QURAN’S PROOF’? Clearly, a proof within the Quran itself which means the words that make it up. The only possible way to prove the very scripture is to mathematically structure it beyond human ability. Why are you all so averse to a miracle that proves the very book you have in your possession is from GOD? You all should really ask yourselves why.

Peace

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There you have it guys, this is another proof that we should all stay alert of this Radhad Khalifa hippie.

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Hmm..maybe not random verses, but perhaps a random translation? Which translation are you using? Do you understand Arabic, please check the original verse and the “translation” you have posted

Arabic:

Your translation:
Those who have rejected the Quran’s proofs when it came to them, have also rejected an Honorable Book

But if you look at the actual verses, it says: innallatheena kafaroo bithikri lamma ja-ahum wa innahu lakitabun azeez -those who rejected the Dhikr (Quran/Message/Reminder) when it comes to them, and indeed it surely is a Mighty/Honorable Book.

So tell me, where does it say Quran’s PROOF?

Yusuf Ali Translation
Those who reject the Message when it comes to them (are not hidden from Us). And indeed it is a Book of exalted power.

Saheeh International Translation
Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them. And indeed, it is a mighty Book.