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out of everything that we have had discussions or debates about , this is the end result or rather the conclusion you drew of me? im absolutely shocked with your response. I just have no words to express my sadness.

You were too quick to see the error but what about the ones when i give respect to every messenger of Allah? Why do you forget that? why do you forget to read and acknowledge the fact that i give utmost respect to the greatest prophet , the most exalted prophet, Muhammad PBUH ?

By all means , compare me with jews or christians, though , if i may say, you resemble jews in terms of beliefs more than anyone else. Please dont get me started here. This is obviously not the place.

I pity you. If Muslims are like you, im better off being whomsoever i am.

You are replying to me as if you have seen my posts where i was disrespectful to prophets so many times and you stayed quite for a while , and finally responded to me with this reply of yours. If you are over the age of 20.. then please act your age and not your shoe size.

Not trying to show you anything, but i have such extent knowledge of Islam that i can put forth any verse of Quran , any hadith in front of you , about whatever i talk about, and can shut u up based on your own beliefs. You tell me to respect prophets, i tell you to respect the words of my beloved prophet MuhamamdPBUH i.e: Allah alone is aware of someones intentions, let Allah alone be the judge of hearts.

Enough of your criticism. Quote my previous posts and let me know where i have gone wrong and we shall talk, till then, please stop and save yourself time and energy, and let your brain rest.

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how will this statement of yours be any benefit to anyone? Why do you criticize me when my intention here is to do nothing else but to show the true picture of Islam ? why such hatred?

I ask you, would you rather be ok with me to completely let go of Islam and adopt a whole different religion and curse Islam (nauzubillah). You have not an iota of respect for me to be claiming myself for being a humble follower of the religion of Muhammad PBUH ?

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Insh'Allah that day will come when you will fully submit to Allah like other ex-Ahmadies have. Just the fact that you believe in Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani, that's what's wrong!
You take him out of your life, you'll be a Muslim. You can claim to be a *Muslim *all you want, others have done so in the past and they've been rejected.
Other than that I can't say much than to warn others of Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani and his cult. Hope that is clear. There's no more debating because you know the answer that I have and I know what you have. So it's best we leave it at that before this turns into another censored thread.

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submitmj,

The "Submitters" do not follow the Quran alone either.

The "Submitters" also follow a Sunnah/Ahadith, the Sunnah/Ahadith of Rashad Khalifah which is his English intrepretation/translation of the Quran, his appendices, footnotes, subtitles, audio and video tapes, method of salaah etc., in addition to the Arabic Quran.

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Interesting,

07:04 onwards this video tells us that the current Gospel (Injeel) of the Christians is not the original Gospel (Injeel) which Jesus ('Eesa) PBUH preached.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/411565-swearing-bible.html

In the above thread you claim that the current Torah and Gospel are unadultered revelations from God.

I’m confused, what exactly do you believe?

Do you reject Ahadith because you wish to submit to Allah? Or because you wish to submit to your society? Look into your heart and tell me truthfully.

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Jesus was sent by GOD with a scripture, the Gospel (injel). The Gospels in the Bible are NOT the unaltered, direct narration from GOD via Jesus. They are third-party narrations by his disciples (ie; like hadith & sunnah) and in some cases (St.Paul) people who never knew him. So, the gospel (injeel) that was given to Jesus is nowhere to be found. Why? Why do you think? Because Jesus would NEVER tell people to idolize him beside GOD. Hence, the original gospel given to GOD’s messenger (Jesus) is NOT in the bible. It is very logical and obvious.

If I wanted to submit to society, I would follow the majority of people and be a ‘Sunni’ or a ‘Shia’ or a ‘Trinity’ follower etc., and follow conjecture like the Talmud or Hadith & Sunnah, and be accepted by all of you, but that it not the case. I submit to GOD, so I submit to HIS commands. They are found in the proven & protected Quran, and obeying GOD is always accompanied by persecution from those who have the scripture, but don’t follow it. People do not want to hear the truth. [Quran 3:186 - 187] You will certainly be tested, through your money and your lives, and you will hear from those who received the scripture, AND from the idol worshipers, a lot of insult.** If you steadfastly persevere and lead a righteous life, this will prove the strength of your faith**. GOD took a covenant from those who received the scripture: “You shall proclaim it to the people, and NEVER CONCEAL IT.” But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
When faced with a choice between changing and proving there’s no need to change, most people get busy on the proof.

Peace

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Salaam,

Ignore my second post.

I confused you with burqaposh, I think he also claims to be a Quranist but I think he is a follower of Aidid Safar rather than Rashad Khalifah.

You've not answered my first post, why do you guys on the one hand reject the Sunnah/Ahadith of Muhammed PBUH yet accept the Sunnah/Ahadith of Rashad Khalifah (his English intrepretation of the Quran, his appendices, footnotes, subtitles, audio and video tapes, method of salaah etc.)?

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Western society does not believe in Ahadith, Sunnah, Talmud or Trinity... All forms of religion are considered nothing but a joke in the West.

I could be wrong but it seems that Rashad Khalifah wanted to fashion a Islam that was palatable to western tastes.

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Rejection by you or people like you means nothing to me. As long as im not considered non muslim in the eyes of Allah, this is all what i want. People like you have been in the past, are here in the present and will continue to be in the future, but that will not stop the truth from spreading.

I have no intention to talk to you. Dont quote me for your useless criticism and try making jokes of it , cuz it aint working.

As per the GS rules, i have full rights to talk about any matter relating to Islam here. I have full rights to participate and reply to anyone based on my knowledge of Islam. If you disagree with me, only then should you quote me, because this will be in the best of your interest.

Dont give me your useless lecture of who is and is not Muslim, keep this for your ownself. I have had enough of this already. You want to talk to me about something specific, you PM me , instead of making every thread i go , an ahmadi relating thread.

I cannot just cannot take Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (AS), the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi (AS) out of my life. He(AS) brought the Islam back which was disappeared for decades. He (AS) talked right from Quran , ahadith. All in all, he(AS) was the Imam Mahdi and PromisedMessiah(AS), which was suppose to come in the latter days and has come. I CANNOT be a non-muslim believing in something YOU ALSO believe in. Difference only lies upon me accepting him and you still waiting for him. If believing in someone to come in the latter days makes one non mulim, you are one too.

PS: stick to the topic. Quote me only when i said anything against Islam.

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Re: For people who are interested in Hadith topic.

do you really realize that when you say that 'ex- ahmadi' submit fully to Allah , you are indirectly making your mullahs as the middle man ? There can be no one between an individual and Allah. No mullah of yours can tell anyone that they have now been submitted to Allah fully. Follow Quran and teachings of Muhammad, do not do shirk by making your mullahs the final word of Allah.

PS: I am not going to reply you or anyone here regarding this issue, but thank you for your concern.

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I am not a Quranist, Freeminds, Reformist, progressive Muslim, nor am I a Sunni, shia etc. I am a Submitter, A Muslim. I believe in all the prophets and messengers and make no distinction among any of them. Rashad Khalifa preached from the Quran and came with proof of messengership (math miracle). He told people to come back to what GOD gave prophet Muhammad (the Quran). Submitters believe in Prophet Muhammad and we obey him by upholding the QUran he was given by GOD.

We do not follow hadith & sunnah because they did not come from the Prophet. They came from Bukhari. They are third & fourth party information. The Quran is DIRECTLY from Prophet Muhammad mouth. So, we follow that. We know it is the absolute truth because GOD embedded a math miracle proof within it to guard it from any distortions. GOD DID NOT protect hadith & sunnah because they are NOT from GOD or the prophet. It is a simple as that. If I heard with my own ears a command directly from the mouth of Prophet Muhammad, I would obey, but I will not obey Buhkari, a NON-messenger. Rashad Khalifa was an authorized messenger of GOD and I can listen to information directly from him (analog video). So, unlike third & fourth party information, this is directly from the mouth of a messenger. Of course, you have trust GOD’s words, and believe in GOD’s miracles first before you will ever accept the truth that Rashad Khalifa was the messenger stated in 3:81, 98:2-5. So, I invite everybody here to verify the math miracle for yourselves, learn the truth, and adopt the straight path to GOD.

Peace

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[33:40] ... Muhammad was a messenger of GOD *AND the last prophet. *

GOD is says Muhammad was the last scripture-bearing messenger or Prophet. Therefore, anybody who claims to be given scripture is claiming to be a prophet. Therefore, by default, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam CANNOT be a messenger from GOD, but a false prophet.

So, who is correct? Hazrat Mirza Ghulam or GOD?
Obviously, the QUran is correct.

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bro what i said wrong?i only said that we muslims take Prophets(peace be upon them all)names with full respect.we just dont refer to them with their names alone like jews and christians do.
u are talkin about quran in everypost.of yours.
u know what status/respect has been given to nabi issa alaih salam in quran.

now u know everything but what the audience that is reading your posts dosent knows is the sort of language used by mirza saab for nabi issa alaih salam.u know what i am talking about and dont make me post those with references cause the words he used are rated and females too are active here so it wont be reasonable u know.

last time i asked u something about hazrat teechi teechi the fastest angel of mirza sahab like how did he looked like,how many wings he had,his fazeelat if any,his status amongst fellow angels etc etc and u came up with nothing.
i am sure u will do the same.

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So you admit right here that Rashad Khalifa was nothing but an impostor?!

LOL! This is too jokes. Both parties going at each other.

@Mr Popat, I don't know which books you've been reading (or if you've even read) but after reading some material of your mirza ghulam qadiani I am fully aware of what kind of sick minded dajjal he was. no need to preach his beliefs on here. And when I say submit fully I meant accept Muhammad(saw) as the last of all messengers and reject that man who you call your prophet/mahdi.. (or whatever he claims 3-in-1 or 4-in-1 nauzubillah)
and your right, HAQ has been prevailing all along, not the cult of mirza qadiani, who died a horrible filthy death!

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scripture bearing messenger is MuhammadPBUH and no one else after HIM(SAW) can come with new scripture. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) did not bring any new scripture.

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May Allah show us all the right path. May Allah also forgive you for your ignorance. Aamin.

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No, of course not. There is a clear distinction between prophets and messengers in the Quran. Majority of muslims today have the definitions reversed for some strange reason. Anyhow, prophets come with scriptures. In other words, they are scripture-bearing messengers, whereas messengers confirm scriptures. Therefore, every prophet is a messenger, but not every messenger is a prophet. Sura 2:213, and 3:81 confirms this in extreme clarity.[2:213] The people used to be one community when GOD sent the prophets as bearers of good news, as well as warners. He sent down with them the scripture, bearing the truth, to judge among the people in their disputes. Ironically, those who received the scripture were the ones who rejected any new scripture, despite clear proofs given to them. This is due to jealousy on their part. GOD guides those who believe to the truth that is disputed by all others, in accordance with His will. GOD guides whoever wills in a straight path.

[3:81] GOD took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."
In fact, Sura 33:40 regarding Muhammad himself shows there is a definitive distinction between a prophet and a messenger.

[33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was A** messenger of GOD** AND **the final prophet**. GOD is fully aware of all things.

The arabic is very clear, 'rasoolallah wa Khaatimun Nabiyeen' (messenger and final prophet). Rasool = messenger
Allah = GOD
wa = AND
Khaatimun = final
Nabiyeen = prophet

As well, Quran teaches in 40:78 that every community gets messengers, some we know about, some we do not. Immediately, we realize that messengers do not have to be specifically mentioned by name in the scriptures.[40:78] We have sent messengers before you - some of them we mentioned to you, and *some we did not **mention to you. No messenger can produce any miracle without GOD's authorization. Once GOD's judgment is issued, the truth dominates, and the falsifiers are exposed and humiliated.
In addition, if the definition of messengers and prophets are the same, then there would be over 6,500 scriptures on earth, as there are that many languages globally, and nobody would know which scriptures were from GOD and which were not, because these messengers are unknown to us. After all, GOD would not give a messenger a scripture and expect him to keep it all to himself. It is completely illogical.

More importantly, the Quran confirms all previous scriptures, and GOD only mentions the Torah, Gospel and Quran in the Quran. So, if every messenger came with a scripture, they would have been mentioned. Consequently, it is impossible for a messenger and prophet to be the same.
[10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than GOD. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.

[12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.

[46:30] They said, "O our people, we have heard a book that was revealed after Moses, and confirms the previous scriptures. It guides to the truth; to the right path.
As well, if messengers & prophets were the same, why does 98:2 says ‘a messenger RECITING purified pages’, not REVEALING pages. Hence, a messenger confirming and preaching existing scripture. [98:1] Those who disbelieved among the people of the scripture, as well as the idol worshipers, insist on their ways, despite the proof given to them.
[98:2] *A messenger from GOD, reading PURIFIED pages *
[98:3] In them there are valuable teachings.
[98:4] In fact, those who received the scripture did not dispute until the proof was given to them.
If messengers and prophets were the same thing, GOD would not have made a such a clear distinction about Prophet Muhammad. It is clear that there is a distinction between prophets and messengers within the Quran. Anything to the contrary is utterly illogical. Especially, when the Quran gives us this clear definition. So, getting back to your initial comment. No, Rashad Khalifa is not an imposter. He never claimed to be a Prophet, but the messenger stated in the covenant of 3:81 and 33:7.

Peace

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Is there not a book that are his writings he claims was Divine inspiration from GOD? Hence, he claims he was given a scripture which, by default, means he is claiming prophethood.

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Well, I glad you acknowledge he is the last prophet and not saying he is the last messenger (which would be a fabrication).

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May I know how did mr. Khalifa get to know that he is the messenger? through divine revelation or his own assertion based on his research?

HMGAQ didn't bring any new scripture nor did he make any such claim.