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Muzna is correct in that no one here is advocating divorce as the end all and be all answer. We're just pointing out that for some people and some families it is the better choice, and to label a women and unethical or taking the easy road is unfair.

My parents separated 3 times during their 19 year marriage and all three times sought counseling,help and every known remedy through the masjid, community elders and traditional therapy. It just wasn't meant to be. Not one time was their a vicious custody battle or bad mouthing each other or using us children as pawns. It was about a man and a women who truly could not function as a couple and found it best to end their marriage for the sake of all involved.

There is no right or wrong answer. What applies for one may not work for another.

I'd just like to add that for those of us who have lived through it as children were not doomed to miserable lives because of our parents separation. We are functioning, educated, normal people. My marriage is already 1000% better than my parents' ever was, most because I had my own childhood experiences to guide me and remind me of what NOT to do or say. I learned from their mistakes.

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when you reach that stage, that means you have exhausted all the venues...btw, before that the elders' help must be sought as recommended by our religion.

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The above isn't any less sarcastic sounding. I'm not sure why you are taking it so personally. You initially made quite sweeping statements and others were just pointing out that marriages don't have to be abusive for them to an unhealthy environment for the children.

Some people might decide self sacrifice is the best way, and manage to cope with it happily. It's when this and compromise cause unhappiness and resentment that it can be a problem. It's a very personal decision and every situation is different.

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CB (and everyone else) I guess it's important to know that you can think in your mind that youre making all these sacrifices for your kid and you're gonna raise him in this amazing environment with both parents and you're doing it all for him....but at the end (when he grows up or you have a sudden realization) you may come to realize that it wasn't necessary to deny yourself happiness...and perhaps you and your child could have been happier even in a different arrangement. The "i've sacrificed everything for my child" thing doesn't really end up well...and you will probably have expectations from him once he grows up that he will not be able to fulfill. You'll realize that no one remember the sacrifices you made...because they really weren't required by them..you made yourself think that you had to make them.

And I'm not just saying this to you...just a general comment on the nature of the thread...I know you're happy in your marriage.

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if all men had the wife you have, they'd all be saying this!! :D

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agree.

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this

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I don't know what you're saying...but parents are also people who deserve happiness, sanity, personal growth...and a good life. Yes, a divorce is the last option..but both people should feel this way without having a superiority complex or a difficult personality. I don't agree with the idea that one person should completely lose who they are to keep a family intact.

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Another perspective:

Since I have been one of the kids where the parents were divorced, I have personally live the life without both of my parents or one of them being around. My parents got divorced when I was 5, and my sisters were 1 and 2. We were taken to Pakistan and left there to live with my aunt (phoppo). Not having either one of the parents around caused a big gap in my life. I didn't see my mom for the 19-20 years that I was in Pakistan or heard from her. My father was around when he was visiting us in Pakistan (he remarried and we stayed with my step-mom after that).

My one big goal in life is to make sure that my family is never broken apart and if I have to be miserable my whole life so be it (not that I am).

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Very nicely said! I completely agree. Sacrifices are hardly remembered and we can't hold them over someone's head to make them see it.

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I think I wouldn't have gotten married as early.. we were both 23.
Maybe would have waited 2-3 years because it was a very hard time with a lot of distance. But we made it and that's all that counts now :)

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Hi Girls and Guys ,

Firstly, I wanna clarify , this is a healthy discussion and I am taking it in that spirit. Sarcasm not intended. A bit angry , yes , but I accept , in healthy arguments personal feelings should remain aside. So if anyone here felt hurt , I apologize.

Now, problem is , initially someone asked if its right to base a marriage on a child. I responded with " I dont know if its right or wrong " and then said my opinion, it really is very true , we learn things every day, despite feeling we know it all, we dont know it all. Life has its way of teaching us and confusion is part of that teaching process.

Then someone came along and called this whole sacrificing for the child bit, unethical. Another person came through rejecting this whole idea. My anger remains for a section of those women, who are going through this phase, its a genuine reality for them , that they are sticking around for the sake of their kids. Why would you neglect to see their perspective and call them unethical? There may be so many reasons for it, may be they are just not strong enough, may be they are scared of the aftermath of a divorce ..

I have said one other thing all along, different women have different stamina to absorb pain and sadness, you cant class them wrong or discourage them for trying and trying to make it work. We all know deep down in our hearts how important a complete family unit is. Divorce , separation becoming a norm can only destroy societies. not all kids are as lucky as Khatti or Sehrysh . Alot of them go through havoc. I have 14 cases of divorce in my extended family and social circle and it breaks my heart what the kids in those families are going through. Surely we cant disregard that risk element for the kids.

I hope I am able to portray my point clearly , problems come in every marriage, some have to work harder at it, some dont have the patience for it, some cant face it coz they dont have the courage , all sorts of scenario's. Before we disregard those scenario's in favour of divorce , we do need to stop and think about it.

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CB, at times your marriage may have more ups than downs, but if your equation with Mr. CB is not dysfunctional beyond repair,… if there is still much, much good in it to where the bad can be overlooked, …and you are overall and more often happy with him than miserable…so be it and that’s all that matters, it’s working for you and your family, bas. Don’t let it get to you and make you question your life. There comes a time when kids leave the nest and so hopefully there’s enough substance within the marriage to where you get on with each other without the kids; I think that’s important. But again, I’ve no experience and prior to it we tend to be very confident in saying that we would do things a certain way, only to discover the opposite post-experience. It’s always easier to form very decided judgments and opinions about other people’s marriages and lives. Sometimes women can be gung-ho in advising other women about their marriages and falter/hesitate when it comes to following their own advice. It’s human nature and I say this in a general way without taking a dig at any other member. So, don’t let it get to you and become ‘vahmi’ about your marriage unless you’re having to exert a daily monumental effort to stay afloat. :flower1:

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No, it's sick and dysfunctional.

And it's always the men who make it so.

At the very least, even a 'good guy' will make life hard for his wife by b lithely ignoring housework and taking care of the kids.

That the wife should have any time for herself is a completely alien concept.

Though I'm nothing like these men, most are. And for this I apologize for being a man when men make women so miserable. Sorry, women.

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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. People's opinions are based on their own experiences and what they have seen in their lives. Everyone's experiences are different and they may differ from yours. Your experiences have shaped your view of the situation. The same is true of other people.

You stated you have seen several cases of divorce. So have I and what I have observed is quite different from what you have described and hence my opinion is different from yours. There really is no need to get angry over this. Everyone's experiences are different and they are all valid.

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I've not been married that long sooooo...maybe I am the wrong person to answer here.

But yes, I would have gotten married again...to the same people. Why? Because they made me who I am today. I firmly believe everything in life happens for a reason...all of our choices create who we are today. They're not to be regretted...learned from and corrected...but not regretted.

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Yes, I would get married but not to the same person. I would wait to find someone who is a more suitable match for me. Someone that shares the same likes/dislikes, has similar goals in life etc. My husband and I do not see eye to eye on anything.

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boy who wouldn’t want this type of a marriage. Looks like you met a great guy that brings a calmness and a beautiful feeling like this from inside you when you see him and are in the presence of him.