mm10
Either you are blind, deaf, dumb or probably a person of low IQ.
On second thoughts yours might be a case of mixing and matching more than 1 of the above.
Only that can explain why you never got beef((Yes, Cow’s meat) in Delhi.
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Originally posted by anand:
Spock,You do not know us. We Indians can easily change any topic and throw it in your court. It is non sense of your people that fell in our trap easily. In fact we always made fool of you people.
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You know where the difference lies. We are taught to be truthful, while deception is ingrained in your blood.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
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Originally posted by FactFinder:
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Originally posted by anand:
Spock,You do not know us. We Indians can easily change any topic and throw it in your court. It is non sense of your people that fell in our trap easily. In fact we always made fool of you people.
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You know where the difference lies. We are taught to be truthful, while deception is ingrained in your blood.
**
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how truthful is "moral support" for kashmir
cause by pakistan? why cant pakistan say
our ultimte goal is to get kahmir by any means?
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Originally posted by rvikz:
no indian with common sense will say india
is only for one religen or ethnic group.
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Seems very nice on the screen, but what percentage does that cover? Surely all those who carried out the demolition of the Ayodhia mosque (including your Interior Minister, and leader of the ruling party), massacre of Muslims in Mumbai, etc. and all those in favour will be included.
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secularism and democracy is necesscity in india cant survive without it.**
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Is this something you believe? Or is it something you want us to believe? Wake up, we know how secular and democratic you are. If you have an iota of democracy, have plebiscite in Kashmir which you have been avoiding for 54 years and gradually murdering everyone who raises his head.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
even if kashmir gets independance some extremists will take over and kick out
30% of the people which will result
in retaliation resulting in tearing apart
of secular values.
[quote]
Originally posted by anand:
**Spock,
You do not know us. We Indians can easily change any topic and throw it in your court. It is non sense of your people that fell in our trap easily. In fact we always made fool of you people.
Best rgds**
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Hello Anand, it seems that you did not understand what I was trying to say in my last post. By simply making irrelevant points and typing whatever comes at the back of your head does not mean you can make a fool out of "our" people. And I dont think you have made fools out of us quite yet; you should remember who it was the that came to India and ruled over you for so long... But Im not talking about who is wiser or superior, I merely wanted a good answer to my question, which some of your comrades have tried to answer already.
Take Care
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Originally posted by Spock:
** Hello Anand, it seems that you did not understand what I was trying to say in my last post. By simply making irrelevant points and typing whatever comes at the back of your head does not mean you can make a fool out of "our" people. And I dont think you have made fools out of us quite yet; you should remember who it was the that came to India and ruled over you for so long... But Im not talking about who is wiser or superior, I merely wanted a good answer to my question, which some of your comrades have tried to answer already.
Take Care**
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if u want to get back to point, point is simple. beef is not banned in india and mm10 is liar.
the meat is not halal the cattle are not
even killed in a ethical way as prescribed
in quran.
US animal rights group notches up victory against Indian leather
trade
BOMBAY, May 30 (AFP) -
The US-based animal rights group People for the Ethical
Treatment of Animals (PETA) on Tuesday claimed another victory
in its global campaign against leather products from India and
China.
The organisation said that as a result of its campaign, several
firms have stopped using leather products from the two Asian
nations.
"Following international protests (American and European
retailers) J. Crew, Liz Claiborne, Clarks, Fiorucci and
Florsheim have now given PETA agreements to stop using leather
from animals killed in India and China," it said in a statement.
PETA said several other stores were considering similar steps.
In mid-April three top US retailers had announced a ban on
Indian leather products.
"The companies made their decision after watching PETA's video
documentation showing Indian cows and buffaloes denied water,
beaten, badly injured and suffocated in overloaded lorries en
route to slaughter houses," the group said.
PETA alleged the leather industries in India and China are
perhaps the cruellest in the world.
Last week Tibetal spiritual leader the Dalai Lama joined
protests against the Indian leather trade, by writing to Prime
Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee asking him to enforce existing
laws designed to protect cattle.
He said conditions for Indian cattle today were "too horrific
for words."
if u want to get back to point, point is simple. beef is not banned in india and mm10 is liar.**
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Oh ZZ! man you R getting so personal,
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/biggrin.gif
Take it easy!
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/wink.gif
There is no difference in implicit ban or explicit ban if you understand these terms
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/wink.gif
Take care.
Muslims urged to avoid tortured cattle from India
But with conflicting views among Islamic scholars on the definition of
halal meat, US animal-rights group will find it hard to garner support
By LESLIE LAU IN KUALA LUMPUR
A UNITED States-based animal-rights group is appealing to Malaysia's
Islamic sensitivities in a bid to stop what it deems to be the cruel
transport and slaughter of beef imported from India.
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta) is famous for its
gimmicky campaigns involving Hollywood celebrities.
But it is unlikely to find support from Muslims in Malaysia for its
claims that such meat is haram (forbidden), given the conflicting
views among Islamic scholars on the definition of halal meat.
Peta president Ingrid Newkirk told reporters yesterday that its
undercover investigation had shown that Indian cattle were subjected
to intense torture.
""Peta is calling on Malaysian Muslims to consider that, although the
cattle may finally be slaughtered in a halal manner, the mutilation of
the animals, including gouging wounds from horns and deliberate bone
breaks, may render their flesh haram before the animals are killed,''
said Ms Newkirk.
To press Peta's case further, she said Islamic scholars had been
consulted.
She also distributed a statement from an imam in Britain stating that,
if animals were subjected to cruelty, their meat was considered
impure.
""It is a joke that such meat is labelled halal when it arrives at
slaughter houses in a haram state,'' she said.
Associate Professor Salleh Ahmad, an Islamic scholar with Universiti
Malaya, said the treatment of animals was not a factor in determining
whether the meat was halal.
He said the four most important factors were that the animal must be
halal, that the person who slaughters the animal must be a Muslim,
that the throat must be slit and that a certain Quranic verse must be
recited.
However, he conceded that Islam prohibited the torture of animals.
""But if the tortured animal is slaughtered according to Islamic
principles, its flesh becomes halal,'' he told The Straits Times.
Ms Newkirk also showed journalists a three-minute video narrated by
actress Pamela Anderson, depicting cattle being beaten, suffocated in
overcrowded trucks and forced to march for several days with no water.
It also showed chili and pepper being rubbed into cattle's eyes to
force weak animals to march.
After meeting Veterinary Department officials yesterday, she is
expected to meet Islamic Development officials today to make a case
that beef imported from India may not be halal.
""The idea of the sacred cow in India is gone because cattle are now
seen as a commodity on hooves,'' she said.
The slaughter of cows is only allowed in West Bengal and Kerala states
and, in many cases, cattle are transported there illegally from other
parts of India.
The reason Peta has decided to bring one of its campaigns to Malaysia
for the first time is that Malaysia is the biggest importer of Indian
beef in the world, with more than 53 million kg of meat entering the
country each year.
The value of the imports is about RM198 million (S$88.5 million) a
year.
She said the Malaysian government had been responsive to Peta's
campaign for more stringent inspection of meat from India.
""We are calling on Muslim leaders and the Malaysian government to
demand that Indian cattle be treated in a humane and halal manner.
This is all we ask, but it must be done,'' she said.
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Originally posted by rvikz:
even if kashmir gets independance some extremists will take over and kick out
30% of the people which will result
in retaliation resulting in tearing apart
of secular values.
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What logic to deprive a people of their right to self-determination. Only Hindus and Jews have such warped thinking.
Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.
why dont u open another thread on kashmir and stuff for which an entire forum is devoted.
and since nothing that is related to original querry (based on a false assumption that beef is banned in india) is going on, why not close the thread.
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Originally posted by FactFinder:
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Originally posted by rvikz:
even if kashmir gets independance some extremists will take over and kick out
30% of the people which will result
in retaliation resulting in tearing apart
of secular values.
[/quote]
What logic to deprive a people of their right to self-determination. Only Hindus and Jews have such warped thinking.
**
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why pakistan could not live bangaldesh
on the basis of religen if you think
all the countries should be either 100%
muslim or 100% non-mulsim?
Dear Spock,
Indian history remembers very well who came over from central asian parts, invaded and ruled over India. Off course a coward section of ours gave up its identity and adopted those invaders as its forefathers, and may be this psycho reason has created a sense of inferiority, for us it is not at all difficult to make fool of you people.
Best rgds.
Mr Spock…
Yes India is a secular country…
and the question was been answered by mr.Kabir reg the availability of beef in india.
But as the answer was not to your satisfaction ,you keep streching it and you will keep strecthing it untill you hear those magical words…
So let me rephrase the question for you…
As india is a secular country, why don’t muslims in india eat pork…
i am not talking about pakistan this time..
I hope you will understand this time…if you use your knees properly this time..
pig valves are succesfully used in humans
valve replacements most of the pig organs
closly match humans.
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Originally posted by rvikz:
*pig valves are succesfully used in humans
valve replacements most of the pig organs
closly match humans. *
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and of course, pigs are better than humans trained in madarassas. so save pigs and ban pork. not a bad idea.
zz we are discussing about pigs
that are raised in farms for procuring
organs
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Originally posted by rvikz:
**""We are calling on Muslim leaders and the Malaysian government to
demand that Indian cattle be treated in a humane and halal manner.
This is all we ask, but it must be done,'' she said.
**
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why dont they ask the indian government to treat indian mulims and other minorities in a humane manner?
kabir peta represent animal rights not human rights. animals cant vote or talk.
dalits muslim and other minorities can form a coalition vote for candiates who will
fight for their rights.