Re: Following Madhab of 4 Imams
Assalam O Aalaikom Captain1 bhai,
How are you? Recognized me? I am "SuperMe". From that cricket/music forums. I think we are not allowed to name a website. Remember? I used to say that you should be "Mod" of that forum? Any idea? I can remind you more members, Symond, BabaKhaan, Cheetah, and Someone13. Also a moderate tbr12. We used to discuss about cricket. Well you might have forgot that. Let's kill the past. Think about now.
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Btw Wasim, please read the following because I take it that you are confused of what a Madhab really is..
I will surely read this Cricketpalya, but for sure, I want you to first read the complete Biography of all 4 Imams which is unbiased.
I would see that you are getting attached to Tabligh Jammaat. Imam Abu hanifa was a reformer and following one Madhab was never told by our Prophet may peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him. None of the Madhabs were there when he was alive. By the way I agree that I am probably confused with Madhabs this is because they are 4 Madhabs By the way to know the right way of following I read the 6 hadith as I have mentioned.
The people are getting wiser nowadays.
I follow only Prophet Mohammed may peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him and the rightly guided successors of Prophet. The sahaba karam, who prophet said is the best generation after Prophet.
I will surely read your article. Please I dont wont to talk abt Tableegh Jammaat i know what innovation they are into and the books they follow leave this Topic.
But go throught this article which is more logical.Praise be to Allaah.
If a person adheres to a particular madhhab, then he finds out that it is likely that another madhhab has stronger evidence, this is a serious error. It is not permissible to do that. This is included in what is mentioned in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allaah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allaah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] to worship none but One Ilaah (God — Allaah) Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)”
al-Tawbah 9:31]
This implies turning away from the guidance of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Tell me what was our Prophet was he Hanifi, Shafi, Hanbali or Maliki that you have send me the article of following one Madhab our Prophet was a muslim
Kullu bidah dalala wa kullu dalala finaar. All innovations lead you to astray. and all astray lead you to hell fire.
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I do recognize you clearly, didn’t need to mention other member names :). Its not too late to say welcome back 
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Kullu bidah dalala wa kullu dalala finaar. All innovations lead you to astray. and all astray lead you to hell fire.
What does it mean to be "Hanafi/Shafi/Maliki/Hanbali"?
It means that you are following the ahadith collection, their opinions which again are based on ahadith/Quran. Prophet Mohammed PBUH acted differently on different occasions etc., these scholars collected all the information they could, tried their best in forming an opinion (of course they are human and may have erred) hence people with less knowledge tend to follow the "learned ones" but in no way they are following the "personal whims/desires" of those scholars. As long as you don't put down the other madhab/followers-of then its okay to follow one, if you don't want to follow anyone of them and can make an opinion of your own then there is no restriction on you. :)
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"It should not be difficult for an unbiased Muslim to understand that it is not possible for thousands and thousands of "Ulama and Fuqaha to submit to the Aimmah of the four mathhabs for the past 1250 years if they were in error. If Taqleed was in conflict with the Qur'an and Sunnah, how could it have been possible for such a vast multitude of 'ulama and fuqaha to uphold this concept for all these centuries? Can it be possible that the entire 'Ummah was in darkness from the three early ages of Goodness (Quroon-e-Thalaatha) and a man like al-Baani of this present age be on the path of rectitude in his denunciation of the Taqleed of the Four Imams? Are the multitude of the Fuqaha who lived in the every age of Islam right or is the modernist Salafi sect of this age right? Consult your intelligence with sincerity and you will not fail to see the light of hidaayah." ummah.net
Cricketpalya you have taken me wrong when did i tell you to wipe our Imam Abu hanifa, Imam shafi , Imam Ibn Hanbal, Imam Maliki, they are Great I respect the I love them, for sacrifice towards Islam. They have done a great great service as an Ummah Of our Propbhet.
What I mean to say, we cannot adherer to one particular madhab but take the best evidence with authentic Hadith, this is the same what the Great Scholars said, If any of my teaching go against the teaching of Prophet than ignore it. I am doing that. But we cannot adhere to one particular madhab if the evidence in the other are strong.
My only advice just tell we follow Prophet Mohammed may peace and blessingof Allaah be upon him khallas.
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You are right Wasim, PEOPLE ARE GETTING WISER NOWADAYS.. when did the Salafi movement started? Just 100 years ago.. before that for centuries, we had MADHABS. Now tell me where is your logic? Tell me who is getting the inovation here?
We follow Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). It is just the matter of understading the various aspects of one hadiths and many other hadiths dealing with the same matter. Example: raising your hands during prayer.. do u? I don't because in the Hanafi madhab we do not. Why? Because on ocassions, the Prophet Muhammad did not raise his hands. Understood? On certain ocassions he did raise his hands. There is a daleel to everything in the Hanafi madhab. If you don't find it here, go to a learnt scholar you shall find it.
You tell me you follow the Prophet Muhammad, so do we. We don't need to individually cut this hadith, cut that hadith, cut cut cut, and make our own.. because we have it all with complete research and daleel in a MADHAB done by the learnt scholars of that time. Be it the Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki, Hanbali madhab.
No teaching in a Madhab goes against the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). If you think there is something against, then you don't belong in this debate.
On the sidenote: The Tablighi jamaat has not created any bidaas.. please tell me what you are talking about...
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Salam Captain,
I recommend you to read the biographies of all 4 Imams.
Imam Abu Hanifa, did not document any book. His two student have written it.
Imam Malik his Maliks Muwatta, had his own opinions. In his dead bed, he was Asking forgivenes from God because he said he had his own opinions this is with respect to above quote.
I again repeat that, I respect all 4 Imams but you first have to know what have the mentioned. Abu Hanifa has gone onto say to his student. When he was writing his words, dont write what i am talking about. I am a Mortal i can contradict tomorrow.
Imam Abu Hanifa, was a very witty person very witty. I love him. This is out of the topic he went through very horrible time.
We know they are so many hadith which are daeef, mawdoo munkar in there Hadith.
I mean to say look at all 4 Imams and the daleel u get authentic daleel follow, but dont be attached to one Madhab.
By the way My muslim brothers leave alone everthing go to islambasics.com, i cant put the complete link this is because I dont have the access as yet.
You can download lots of books in PDF format.
Re: Following Madhab of 4 Imams
I recommend you to read the biographies of all 4 Imams.
Imam Abu Hanifa, did not document any book. His two student have written it. Imam Malik his Maliks Muwatta, had his own opinions. In his dead bed, he was Asking forgivenes from God because he said he had his own opinions this is with respect to above quote. I again repeat that, I respect all 4 Imams but you first have to know what have the mentioned. Abu Hanifa has gone onto say to his student. When he was writing his words, dont write what i am talking about. I am a Mortal i can contradict tomorrow. Imam Abu Hanifa, was a very witty person very witty. I love him. This is out of the topic he went through very horrible time. We know they are so many hadith which are daeef, mawdoo munkar in there Hadith. I mean to say look at all 4 Imams and the daleel u get authentic daleel follow, but dont be attached to one Madhab. By the way My muslim brothers leave alone everthing go to islambasics.com, i cant put the complete link this is because I dont have the access as yet. You can download lots of books in PDF format.
haha, same old salafi going back and forth and at the end..just forget everything eh? You know what, you forget everything and go learn Islam.
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I have passed my message
Jazzakallaahkhair.
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I recommend you to read the biographies of all 4 Imams.
Imam Abu Hanifa, did not document any book. His two student have written it.
Imam Malik his Maliks Muwatta, had his own opinions. In his dead bed, he was Asking forgivenes from God because he said he had his own opinions this is with respect to above quote.
I again repeat that, I respect all 4 Imams but you first have to know what have the mentioned. Abu Hanifa has gone onto say to his student. When he was writing his words, dont write what i am talking about. I am a Mortal i can contradict tomorrow.
True, as I said that they were all human being and may have erred, if they'd have said "there opinion is solid and I can/have not made any mistake" then they'd be considered as arrogant etc. Again, when we follow them we have to make sure that we understand the background of their opinion but unfortunately we have "blind" following by a big chunk.
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Imam Abu Hanifa, was a very witty person very witty. I love him. This is out of the topic he went through very horrible time.
We know they are so many hadith which are daeef, mawdoo munkar in there Hadith.
I mean to say look at all 4 Imams and the daleel u get authentic daleel follow, but dont be attached to one Madhab.
By the way My muslim brothers leave alone everthing go to islambasics.com, i cant put the complete link this is because I dont have the access as yet.
You can download lots of books in PDF format.
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I don't want to go to islambasics.com yet, why don't you tell us what it is about? what collection of ahadith/views they follow or do they make their own etc?
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Wasim, as I said, you salafis have came into existence in the past 100 years.. and try to make fun of our beautiful scholars. InshAllah you will find the right path. Is Islambasics one of your sites or some other salafi site?
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Islambasics.com. Is not a website of particular sect, its a complete book paradise, which you would pay to buy it outside.
We have tafsir of Ibn Kathir, which helps to understand of Surahs. Hadith of Sahih bukhari, Sahih Muslim and otheres.
Commentary by Abu Ala Maudidi. Go do a search, they are topics by Maurice Bucaiile I hope he is a Muslim now, who proved Quran and Bible in the light of Science, at the age of 50 he learnt Arabic.
Believe its a collection of books.
Then there is other website aswatalislam.net. You have videos and audios of Scholars of all countries. Like Israr Ahmed, Zakir Naik, Jamal Badawi they are many Farhath hashmi.
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Assalam o Alaikum
Sorry i have just skimmed past the post ( If i repaet some thing:) )
To start with , all the four fiqahs are on the true path, differences being only marginal .
Thier is no real alienation among these four ahl e haq fiqahs, the reason why i see many shafai and hanbila teachers in predominantly hanafi madressa and vice versa.
On a side note i never knew how scholarly people are here on this forum maashallah, thos having greater knowledge then allama ibn tamimah, allamah ibn jauzi , hafiz ibn hajr and so forth. Any one not doing taqleed must have DETAILED knowledge about hadith and quranic sciences,(mashallah we have part time allamas-pamphelete mullahs- here)
Wasalam
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We have tafsir of Ibn Kathir, which helps to understand of Surahs. Hadith of Sahih bukhari, Sahih Muslim and otheres.
Commentary by Abu Ala Maudidi. Go do a search, they are topics by Maurice Bucaiile I hope he is a Muslim now, who proved Quran and Bible in the light of Science, at the age of 50 he learnt Arabic.
Believe its a collection of books.
Then there is other website aswatalislam.net. You have videos and audios of Scholars of all countries. Like Israr Ahmed, Zakir Naik, Jamal Badawi they are many Farhath hashmi.
Do all these material point to "four fiqh are wrong"? Do they say any such thing?
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Captain This website provides you book where you can download this. This is not regarding the 4 fiqh, this is just for better and deep understanding of Islam. Get onto the website and look at it. Does'nt take much of your energy to type few letters.
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Do All of the four Imams considers all the Prophets to be as human beings? If you look at this sect Bralvis/Sufis, they will believe and will also ask help from our last Prophet Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him). Do you think it's right to ask from the Prophet? Why not ask Allah Tallah directly?
What does Wahhabi follow? Which Imam? Do they only follow according to Quran and Sunnah? Was Saudi Arabia the same before Wahhabi belief came? Some people think Wahhabi is not a sect. Please participate in this thread as this is vital for us. These are my questions that I am looking for the answers and please make my mind clear.
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Well, SuperMe, All four Imams consider all the Prophets as human beings.
4 Imams = Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi, Ahmad
Barelvis have a believe of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) of being haazir and naazir. Which is wrong. Therefore you only ask Allah for everything.
Wahabism is something that I do not know much about.
Here is a brief article on Wahhabism at sunnipath.com
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=918&CATE=1
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What does Wahhabi follow? Which Imam? Do they only follow according to Quran and Sunnah? Was Saudi Arabia the same before Wahhabi belief came? Some people think Wahhabi is not a sect. Please participate in this thread as this is vital for us. These are my questions that I am looking for the answers and please make my mind clear.
Read the Biography of Imam Abu Hanifa, and the way he reformed Islam.
In the time when Islam was spreading in to different cultures. But Imam Abu Hanifa maintained Quran and Sunnah, to the best level of information he got fomr the Sahabas, with a good isnad.
Will try to attach biographies of others also.
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Wasim, just give us the link where you got that bio from.. don't copy paste into a text file.
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