Asalamvalekum,
This topic is regarding following the madhab of 4 Imams Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafie, Imam Ibn Hanbal and Imam Maliki. I feel all this where successors of Sahaba radhiallaah taalah anhum. But why is there difference in there madhabs and why dont we stick and follow Prophet Mohammed may peace be upon him as stated in the Quran. I believe just follow the Quran and Ahadith.
Chapter 3:31
[FONT=Times New Roman]Say, [O Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam], “If you should love Allah,
then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is
Forgiving and Merciful.”
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Good question Wasim,
I will add another question to this. Why havent the said scholars/imams/phds have not been able to compile one single book defining 'sunnah' even after 1500 years ?
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They are just interpretations of islam by knowledgable ulemah .
Only four such interpretations of islam (according to quran and sunnah)has gained wide acceptence and any one following any one of them will inshallah be fine.
Scholars since many centuries are following these four fiqahs , please refer to authentic ulemah .
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“Ask those who recall if you know not” (Qur’an 16:43)
There are different of opinions because there are different Hadiths. Then there are weaker Hadiths and stronger ones.
Let me ask you this.. How will you follow the “sunnah” just by reading the Hadith? You will be contradicting yourself in all of your daily actions and even prayer! Why? There are Hadiths from different narrators.. etc
Which is why the Ulema of those days had to gain as much knowledge as possible to preserve the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH).
We can’t be Salafs because those are the people who died within the first 400 years after the Prophet (PBUH).
The Salafi movement came along 1300 years AFTER the Prophet (PBUH).. does that make sense to you? I wish it doesn’t.
Which is why the Salafis contradict and can never be in a debate because at the end they will say “let us be”.
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unfortunately we almost blindly follow these 4 ulemas regardless of other knowledge available to us, we don't learn on our own but just see what THEY learnt and take it as THE ONLY DEAL or nowadays the phenomena of "one of 4 deals".
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Yes, that is true - "My dad prays like this so do I..hey I am Hanafi!"
lol
But in your view what do you mean?
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One has to understand that there is no difference in the five school of thoughts when it comes to Iibadat عبادات. All agree on the basic tenants of Islam and there is no difference there, and all are based on the ways how the holy prophet performed different Iibadat during his life time. The difference is only when it comes to jurisprudence and things which we didn’t had during the life of the holy prophet. All five might have different opinions and non would be against the Quran and the Sunnah. Thats the beauty if Islam, in which the opinion of the judiciary evolved with time.
Now those who thing that (other than Iibadat) the Islamic jurisprudence should only follow one school of thought have a very narrow understanding of Islam. I am of the opinion that there should be another Islamic opinion regarding some of the important issue of this age and time by some central Muslim court.
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Asalamvalekum,
Minime you say the Ibada is the same the second basic principle of Islam is the Prayer or the Sallaah. The Prophet may and blessings of Allaah be upon him clearly mentions that "Pray as you follow me pray" Authentic Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim. Dont forget that there were two revelations one is the Holy Quran and second is the Hadith this is our Eman and Logically it fits into the head.
You see Prayer or Sallaah is a kind of worship then why are they so many differences. Remember at the time of Prophet none of the Imams existed so look at those factors. The most important factor and the book most revered by the Muslim Ummah is Sahih Bukhari you have to agree. This is because of its Authenticity aand compatibility with Quran. To Know how Prophet Mohammed may peace and blessig of Allaah be upon him prayed. You can go to islamvideos.net and check out Prophets prayers.
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u really think we are capable of learning islam on our own in today's day and age ? I didn't think so...
So follow those who have learned it and were closer to Allah then us.
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yo_wasim, do we know how the Prophet prayed? How do we derive to one single way of praying. If we look at the various hadiths, Prophet prayed differently according to various Sahabas.. which is why there are madhabs. the Hanafi madhab has sound proof with backing up various hadiths.
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^ and u mean to say the others dont have sound backing????
surprise surprise! many differences in hanafi madhab r just because imam abu hanifa (ra) did not find a sound hadith for a certain issue and used his own ijtehad for passing a fatwa on it, while others had a hadith for it, being more close to the land of the Prophet (saw)....
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Asalamvalekum cricketplaya
You feel if there is not one single hadith in deriving the Prophets prayers. Then i should say not to it. My only concern is Prophet in his sunnah with respect to his acts of the prayes and with respect to the authenticity.The act he did the Maximum we as his ummah should act upon and follow it.Follow me as I pray the Prophet may peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him. Get this straight if I ask my hadrat today who is his Imam he can saw so and so and then I further query and ask who is his Imam then he would rahter be puzzled. For us there is one Imam Prophet Mohammed pay peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him. This is nothing personally to you but believe me we can avoid this by reading the Hadith. Read all the 6 hadith which the Scholars have told are the best and authentic. You will get your answer. If you feel Hanafi method is the best. Then how is that when we dont follow him at all in many ways. Hanafi madhab doesnt talk about lots of our own created innovations and then we say this is the Hanafi method.
Let me quote an example where did we get the concept of Chilla or 40 days come from.
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So follow those who have learned it and were closer to Allah then us.
Do you really think we can't? Have you read Quran? What makes you think that Allah swt sent the Quran only for earlier people to understand?
Don't excuse yourself from learning by saying "follow those who have learned it and were closer to Allah than us", its no excuse for us. We are responsible for our acts and learning, we must learn too, barely saying "O Allah I followed so and so person/Imam" will not buy you Heaven.
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I think the fiqh and jurisprudence can change as we have access to more hadith collections and a broader view of the sunnah now. The four Imams were correct in what they followed based on what evidence they had available to them. The Saha Sitta did not exist in their times, which is infact more of a blessing for our ummah today. We do not need to travel hundreds of miles and spent half their life collecting ahadith. We are lucky that all their hardwork is available to us on our fingertips and we should take advantage of that. I believe if we have scholars capable of ijtihad then theirs should be more sound than that of the Imams should they try.
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You feel if there is not one single hadith in deriving the Prophets prayers. Then i should say not to it. My only concern is Prophet in his sunnah with respect to his acts of the prayes and with respect to the authenticity.The act he did the Maximum we as his ummah should act upon and follow it.Follow me as I pray the Prophet may peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him. Get this straight if I ask my hadrat today who is his Imam he can saw so and so and then I further query and ask who is his Imam then he would rahter be puzzled. For us there is one Imam Prophet Mohammed pay peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him. This is nothing personally to you but believe me we can avoid this by reading the Hadith. Read all the 6 hadith which the Scholars have told are the best and authentic. You will get your answer. If you feel Hanafi method is the best. Then how is that when we dont follow him at all in many ways. Hanafi madhab doesnt talk about lots of our own created innovations and then we say this is the Hanafi method. Let me quote an example where did we get the concept of Chilla or 40 days come from.
Salam, bro, if you examine all the hadiths regarding the prayers, you cannot derive to one single method of prayer. You will be confused. For example, do you raide ur hands while going in rukoo? How do you sit, with your right foot up, ur toes folded towards the qibla? There were instances where the Prophet sat in different ways. Which is why the learnt scholars such as Abu Hanifa had to check with every hadith to derive with a solution with sound proof. (example: if the hadith is weak, how strong is it..whilst looking at other hadiths)..etc
Which is why it is impossible to perform prayers just the way the Prophet did, were we alive back then? No. Let the learnt scholars do the job. I don't know about you but I am not a learnt Muslim. But I know the basics.
Yes there are people especially in the indo-pak area where they add to the religion which is not accepted. Which is why we should educate ourselves on deen, our madhabs. Read books on our madhabs..Look at the various evidences provided by the Imams.
The chilla is not a bidaa because it is the "recommended" period of time set by the Tablighi Jamaat. It is not compulsory. It is not included in the Shariah..etc It is merely a reccomendation of how long a person should go to learn... There is no set time. Just like 3 days or 4 months..
Let me tell you this. The Tablighi Jamaat is the best well-known, well accepted amongst the world's biggest scholars. It is widely accepted. It is the way that Islam spreads the most. We should not accuse them.
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The chilla is not a bidaa because it is the "recommended" period of time set by the Tablighi Jamaat. It is not compulsory. It is not included in the Shariah..etc It is merely a reccomendation of how long a person should go to learn... There is no set time. Just like 3 days or 4 months..
Let me tell you this. The Tablighi Jamaat is the best well-known, well accepted amongst the world's biggest scholars. It is widely accepted. It is the way that Islam spreads the most. We should not accuse them.
Asalamvalekum cricketpalya,
I am no big scholar, but my only concern is that Abu Hanifa itself mentioned if my ijtehad goes against the teaching of Prophet Mohammed pay peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him should be neglected and infact was told that there books should be thrown against the wall. Allhamdullillaah Imam Abu Hanifa was a great scholar but if his teaching goes against the Prophet we reject it. If we have a good authentic evidence about the tradition of Prophet then we should abstain ourselves from following what we are doing wrong. This is from a simple logic that Allaah had send two revelation one Quraan and next Sunnah or Hadith.
Overall i respect your feelings but we are known for our own deeds.
With respect to Tableegh Jamaath i am not against the people I am against there Ideology because they teach outside Quran and Sunnah.
In Quran Allaah asserts in
3:110
You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is **right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah. If only the People of the Scripturehad believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient"**
Read the above verse again and understand. Then go further. We have been told not only to do the good but to forbid the evil.
In chapter 5:3 " I have perfected the religion for you, and I call it as Islam"
In 3:85 " The only religion accepted by Allaah is Islam".
In 3:31 "Say, [O Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam], “If you should love Allah,then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah isForgiving and Merciful.”
My only concern is if the religion was perfected 1400 years back, you mean to say that Prophet Mohammed may peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him nauzbillaah had a deficiency that he did not perfect the religion. Then why this bida'h or innovation. The Allaah by our beloved messenger perfected our religion through Quran and Sunnah. **
**Allaah is got the best of knowledge.
Allaah knows the best.
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Salam Captain and others,
I certainly agree with the Captain;
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Don't excuse yourself from learning by saying "follow those who have learned it and were closer to Allah than us", its no excuse for us. We are responsible for our acts and learning, we must learn too, barely saying "O Allah I followed so and so person/Imam" will not buy you Heaven
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33.67 The Day that their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire, they will say: "Woe to us! Would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!"
Moreover those who follow the opinions of their chiefs and great men instead of the message of Allah will say, we obeyed our leaders and our great men, so they led us astray from the path.
6.116 Wert thou to follow the common run of those on earth, they will lead thee away from the way of Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie
Verse 116 is clearly telling, if you obey most of those in the earth, they will lead you stray from Allah's way, they follow conjecture and they lie.
Finally on JD instead of requesting God to forgive his people, prophet will complain that his people have deserted the Quran (and not Hadith);
25:30 Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."
Thought prophet Muhammed pbuh would protest at God’s judgement to help you on Judgement Day ?
Think again!
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^ and then when Quran tells u to follow the Prophet (saw), what do u make of that????
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Salam Armughal,
The phrase “obey the Messenger” after “Obey God” serves a number of important causes;
See who among the companions of the Prophet ever heard any of Allah’s revelations directly from Allah? No one! Consequently, they cannot obey Allah except through Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) delivery of the Quran. This once again makes it necessary for Allah to command people to obey the messenger since he is the one who delivers to them Allah’s message. Moreover, the messenger did not just deliver the Quran and vanish! The Prophet spent all his years from the time he first received the revelation till his death inviting all people to believe in and follow the Quran. Hence it is necessary for Allah to say to all humans to obey the messenger who is inviting them to follow the Quran.
The Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in order that he would deliver it to a community which was primarily composed of idol worshippers but also some followers of the previous scripture like the Jews and the Christians (Nasara). Once again, and for the benefit of the followers of the scripture that we understand the neccessity of the phrase “obey the Messenger”. To make this clear, let us assume that the command in the Quran did not contain the phrase “obey the Messenger” but was only a command to “Obey God”. Immediately, the Jews and the Christians (Nasara) would say : But we already obey God, God has sent us the scripture and we obey it!" Hence, the phrase “obey the Messenger” which is enclosed in the message (Quran) he delivered to them endorses the Quran itself as being the last revelation form God to all humans. The Quran was revealed to mankind so as to supercede all previous scripture:
5:48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
cheers!
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^ not an acceptable explanation....
such a thing wud still be called "following Quran" and not following the prophet (saw)....
and when u say that u must follow Quran, the jews and christians cannot claim that they already follow a book, cuz their books were not called Quran....
following the prophet (saw) means following his sunnah, which r a must to understand Quran and to follow it properly....
many clear examples exist, which ofcourse u already ahve chosen (as i deduce fomr other posts of yours) to ignore, hence i do not wish to bring them up again....
but if u think that u can please Allah by rejecting the sunnah of the Prophet (saw), u r not thinking right, cuz Allah says in the Quran that if ppl claim that they love Allah, then tell them to follow the prophet (saw) and Allah shall love them....