Following Madhab of 4 Imams

[Truthfinder]

Re: Following Madhab of 4 Imams

Armugal,

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^ not an acceptable explanation....
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You are free to accept whatever you want brother.

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such a thing wud still be called "following Quran" and not following the prophet (saw)....
and when u say that u must follow Quran, the jews and christians cannot claim that they already follow a book, cuz their books were not called Quran....
following the prophet (saw) means following his sunnah, which r a must to understand Quran and to follow it properly....
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Following quran is not equal to following prophet Mohammed ? *Think agian! *

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many clear examples exist, which ofcourse u already ahve chosen (as i deduce fomr other posts of yours) to ignore, hence i do not wish to bring them up again....
but if u think that u can please Allah by rejecting the sunnah of the Prophet (saw), u r not thinking right,
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I do not reject, neither did I said that. Its you whos blaming me.

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cuz Allah says in the Quran that if ppl claim that they love Allah, then tell them to follow the prophet (saw) and Allah shall love them....
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Please quote exact so we dont loose the theme.

I have highest regards for prophet Mohammed (pbuh), Khalifas, Sahabas, but to accept anything in the name of them, without understanding is that right brother ?

Again if most of the ppl follow something doesnt mean they are right. eg. most of the chirstian belief says, Jesus was son of Allah. Are they right ?

cheers!

[yo_wasim]

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@Truthfinder

Following quran is not equal to following prophet Mohammed ? *Think agian! * cheers!

Truthfinder i had lots of regard for you but this statement, completely went overboard.
In Sahih Bukhari it is mentioned " Ayeshas radhiallaah taala anha, was questioned can you describe the character of Prophet may peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, she answered in less than 10 words.
The answer was Read the Quran, and that was the character of Prophet Mohammed may peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him.

Tell me what cant you understand. For your sake, please read the Science of Hadith. It is not you feel ok fine some Mohaddith told this to me and he heard it from the other Mohaddith. No infact Imam Bukhari rahimullaah, knew 600,000 hadith out of which in his Sahih only arond 7000 - 7025 Ahadith were mentioned.
Imam Bukhari rahimullaah is considered to be the best book after Quran for the Muslim Ummah this is because of His Memory (he knew 70,000 hadith at the age of 11 with the Biographies of who narrated the Hadith), The Science of Hadith the process he followed. The chain of narration of Isnad was only 3 rightly following to Sahaba karam and then to Prophet.
Imam Bukhari rahimullah before writing down any Hadith used to perform Ghusl, pray Istikhara and then he wrote the Hadith. This process took a laborious 16 years for him.

[TUMS]

Re: Following Madhab of 4 Imams

Pick and choose, hope that works out for ya.

@yo_wasim

Asalamvalekum,
This topic is regarding following the madhab of 4 Imams Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafie, Imam Ibn Hanbal and Imam Maliki. I feel all this where successors of Sahaba radhiallaah taalah anhum. But why is there difference in there madhabs and why dont we stick and follow Prophet Mohammed may peace be upon him as stated in the Quran. I believe just follow the Quran and Ahadith.
Chapter 3:31
[FONT=Times New Roman]Say, [O Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam], “If you should love Allah,
then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is
Forgiving and Merciful.”

[Truthfinder]

Re: Following Madhab of 4 Imams

Thanks Waseem,

I am not rejecting anything or anyone. I accept the hadith that has been qualified by the Quran, for me there is no such thing that "a hadith qualifies the Quran.

For example see 'women dress code' how many different hadiths and understandings we get. Whos right or whos wrong, how do you qualify ?

One can believe a priest,father,peer,monk,mufti,imam,phd, as many ppl do. but the most authentic and correct understanding comes from quran.

cheers!

[USResident]

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@Truthfinder

Thanks Waseem,

I am not rejecting anything or anyone. I accept the hadith that has been qualified by the Quran, for me there is no such thing that "a hadith qualifies the Quran.

For example see ‘women dress code’ how many different hadiths and understandings we get. Whos right or whos wrong, how do you qualify ?

One can believe a priest,father,peer,monk,mufti,imam,phd, as many ppl do. but the most authentic and correct understanding comes from quran.

cheers!

I wanted to ask you a question. We all know the specifics of prayer are not mentioned in the Quran. We learnt it through ahadith. How do you qualify that through the Quran because the Quran simply commands to pray? The only yardstick you have for that is the hadith by itself. So the methodology of prayer cannot be qualified by Quran. A lot of things in Quran cannot be understood without hadith and the statement that its correct understanding comes from Quran is not a correct statement without undertanding the context of revelation through hadith and history.

:desimunda:

[Captain1]

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@armughal

^ and then when Quran tells u to follow the Prophet (saw), what do u make of that????

Collect ahadith of all the "Commands" (fardh) to understand what the command really means, how it should be done etc, filter out ahadith which are not "command" related, I think you should be in good shape.

[Captain1]

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@USResident

I wanted to ask you a question. We all know the specifics of prayer are not mentioned in the Quran. We learnt it through ahadith. How do you qualify that through the Quran because the Quran simply commands to pray? The only yardstick you have for that is the hadith by itself. So the methodology of prayer cannot be qualified by Quran. A lot of things in Quran cannot be understood without hadith and the statement that its correct understanding comes from Quran is not a correct statement without undertanding the context of revelation through hadith and history.

:desimunda:

I don’t think Truthfinder is telling you to reject ALL ahadith, but perhaps bit selective in following, may be something which I said in my post above.

[USResident]

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@Captain1

I don't think Truthfinder is telling you to reject ALL ahadith, but perhaps bit selective in following, may be something which I said in my post above.

I concur with that thought

[Truthfinder]

Re: Following Madhab of 4 Imams

USresident

I wanted to ask you a question. We all know the specifics of prayer are not mentioned in the Quran.

Whatever you say in your prayers is quran, pity you dont understand it.

We learnt it through ahadith. How do you qualify that through the Quran because the Quran simply commands to pray?

You have little or no knowledge about the subject, else you can tell who in above 4 fiqs are correct

The only yardstick you have for that is the hadith by itself. So the methodology of prayer cannot be qualified by Quran.

This again shows your ignorance and knowledge

A lot of things in Quran cannot be understood without hadith.
and the statement that its correct understanding comes from Quran is not a correct statement without undertanding the context of revelation through hadith and history.

I wonder if you ever read quran.

I concur with that thought

Sorry to see your ego being conquered by satan.

cheers

[USResident]

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@Truthfinder

Whatever you say in your prayers is quran, pity you dont understand it.

With all due respect, you did not understand the points I was trying to make. There is nothing in the quran that deals with the specifics of how to pray. It does not point out rakah for each prayer, it does not point out which Surahs are to be read, it does point out how many tashahuds are done, it does ont point out the tasbeeh for rukuh and sajda etc … all this information came from the ahadith. May Allahs pity be on me for I am nothing without what he wills me to be. I would have thought you would understand such a stragiht forward statement however your thought process is quite shallow brother.

@Truthfinder

You have little or no knowledge about the subject, else you can tell who in above 4 fiqs are correct

All of the above fiqhs are correct based on the context of evidence they had available. As more evidence an dahadith became available many jurists of the same schools of thought have revised the opinions or fiqh of their respective Imams.

@Truthfinder

I wonder if you ever read quran.

Definitely more than you.

@Truthfinder

Sorry to see your ego being conquered by satan.

I would be sorry as well if that happened to me. I seek refuge with Allah from the victory of Satan over me.

cheers
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[Captain1]

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@Truthfinder

USresident

Whatever you say in your prayers is quran, pity you dont understand it.

You have little or no knowledge about the subject, else you can tell who in above 4 fiqs are correct

This again shows your ignorance and knowledge

I wonder if you ever read quran.

Sorry to see your ego being conquered by satan.

cheers

You can achieve a result while being polite

[Truthfinder]

Re: Following Madhab of 4 Imams

USresident,

If you are so very interested about prayers, open a new thread to discuss, let this thread be subjective about what the title reads.

Thanks for kind advise captain.

cheers!

[USResident]

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@Truthfinder

USresident,

If you are so very interested about prayers, open a new thread to discuss, let this thread be subjective about what the title reads.

Thanks for kind advise captain.

cheers!

My point was not about discussing how to pray. Prayer was just an example to rebuke one of the statements you wrote. Please enlighten about the point you are trying to make then if you do not mind repeating.

[Truthfinder]

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@USResident

My point was not about discussing how to pray. Prayer was just an example to rebuke one of the statements you wrote. Please enlighten about the point you are trying to make then if you do not mind repeating.

Enough bro! I cant take it anymore.

Ignorance is of course the most prized possession of any cult.

cheers!

[USResident]

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@Truthfinder

Enough bro! I cant take it anymore.

Ignorance is of course the most prized possession of any cult.

cheers!

Sorry to say but you are swimming in it. May be you should

[AQ]

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@yo_wasim

Asalamvalekum,
This topic is regarding following the madhab of 4 Imams Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Shafie, Imam Ibn Hanbal and Imam Maliki. I feel all this where successors of Sahaba radhiallaah taalah anhum. But why is there difference in there madhabs and why dont we stick and follow Prophet Mohammed may peace be upon him as stated in the Quran. I believe just follow the Quran and Ahadith.
Chapter 3:31
Say, [O Muhammad sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam], “If you should love Allah,

then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is
Forgiving and Merciful.”

I can give you a very simple, logical and beautiful reason behind all that…

None of the school of thoughts are wrong. Whichever you will follow, you will end up following the way of Rasoolulah :saw:

And I am not lieing… That’s the truth. Every Fiqh takes its guidance from ahaadeeth and how prophet:saw: performed things in his life… few things, he did differently in different times and every thing is fine and bears sawaab. You can not say that the other is wrong…

A simple example I can give you is of Rafaa yaden. OR Waajib al Witr.

Rasoolulah:saw: did Rafa Yaden and did not do it either… Imam Abu Hanifa:rehm: quote his sunnah of the last time in his life where he did not do Rafa Yaden but who do it quote him from earlier time… both are sunnah and you can do it either way… that’s the beauty of Islam…

He:saw: prayed witr both ways too…

what he did not do was to change the Rakaat of salaah.. that’s why it is same in every school of thought…

That was just example from salaah… Follow what you find a strong hadeeth about but if you follow from four school based on ahaadeeth, rest assure you are following Islam.

Forget all Buzurj Mehr type people up there who are trying to confuse you… May Allah:swt: guide everyone of us. Aameen

[Captain1]

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@Truthfinder

Enough bro! I cant take it anymore.

Ignorance is of course the most prized possession of any cult.

cheers!

You need to show some patience bro :)

[yo_wasim]

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@Anwaar Qureshi

A simple example I can give you is of Rafaa yaden. OR Waajib al Witr.

Rasoolulah:saw: did Rafa Yaden and did not do it either… Imam Abu Hanifa:rehm: quote his sunnah of the last time in his life where he did not do Rafa Yaden but who do it quote him from earlier time… both are sunnah and you can do it either way… that’s the beauty of Islam…

He:saw: prayed witr both ways too…

what he did not do was to change the Rakaat of salaah.. that’s why it is same in every school of thought…

That was just example from salaah… Follow what you find a strong hadeeth about but if you follow from four school based on ahaadeeth, rest assure you are following Islam.

Salam Qureshi Bhai,

Why is that only Imam Abu Hanifa is taken as a Quote of is that because in India and Pakistan, only we follow this.
Raffayaden, Raffa mean waving your hand, and Yad means Hand in Arabic, this was a practice which was followed by and recorded in Sahih Bukhari by 50 companions.
Well this is Shafi Madhab, why dont you take this into account.
Waju al Witr, was always a sunnat and not obligatory. This is simple this was there in accordance to the saying of Prophet may peace and blessingof Allaah be upon him.
Infact Imam Abu Hanifa is never documented a book. and what he wrote was only 12 pages. The saying of Imam Abu hanifa, and madhab with respect to the Hadith were documented by his students.
By the way RaffaYaden, is a an important action of Islam and if you have the evidence or daleel then you should follow it. Please dont get into the aqaleeds or beliefs blindly.
Look at whats the best in al the 4 madhabs. Please look into Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Ibn Maja, Maliks Muwatta, Sunan Abu Dawud and Sahih Tirmidhi also.
This are there in pdf format in islambasics.com.
My only concern is as a Muslim I want my Muslim brothers to follow the Prophet as much as possible. Its a gift from Allaah that we were born as Muslims Allhamdullillaah.

[cricketplaya]

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Wasim, Indo-Pak continent is Hanafi because Abu Hanifa was from Persia..which is why it spread.. some logic here..

You say that the Tablighi Jamaat has created bidaas? Look in the Quran.
**Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. 16:125

But teach (thy Message) for teaching benefits the Believers. 51:55

26:23-28
20:49-53
14:5
7:68
and many other places..!

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Btw...

"When one gains Islamic knowledge and puts fiction aside, one sees that superlatives about particular scholars such as "the greatest" are untenable; that each of the four schools of classical Islamic jurisprudence has had many many luminaries. To imagine that all preceding scholarship should be evaluated in terms of this or that "Great Reformer" is to ready oneself for a big letdown, because intellectually it cannot be supported. I remember once hearing a law student at the University of Chicago say: "I'm not saying that Chicago has everything. Its just that no place else has anything." Nothing justifies transposing this kind of attitude onto our scholarly resources in Islam, whether it is called "Islamic Movement", "Salafism", or something else, and the sooner we leave it behind, the better it will be for our Islamic scholarship, our sense of reality, and for our deen."

"It should not be difficult for an unbiased Muslim to understand that it is not possible for thousands and thousands of "Ulama and Fuqaha to submit to the Aimmah of the four mathhabs for the past 1250 years if they were in error. If Taqleed was in conflict with the Qur'an and Sunnah, how could it have been possible for such a vast multitude of 'ulama and fuqaha to uphold this concept for all these centuries? Can it be possible that the entire 'Ummah was in darkness from the three early ages of Goodness (Quroon-e-Thalaatha) and a man like al-Baani of this present age be on the path of rectitude in his denunciation of the Taqleed of the Four Imams? Are the multitude of the Fuqaha who lived in the every age of Islam right or is the modernist Salafi sect of this age right? Consult your intelligence with sincerity and you will not fail to see the light of hidaayah." ummah.net

[cricketplaya]

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Btw Wasim, please read the following because I take it that you are confused of what a Madhab really is..

http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/PrintMedia/Articles/AR00000164.aspx

What is a Madhhab and why is it necessary to follow one?